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[quote=skinsfaninok;1249387]They want Burrow more, I don't see them trading up to us for Tua. He'll be there at 5[/quote]

Staying at 5 and missing out on Burrow or Tua could be a "you bet your career" move. Now is the time for them to get their franchise QB and there is no reason to risk failure to do so.

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[quote=MTK;1249372]AKA Snyder is locked out of the draft process


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LOL! We can only hope

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If I'm the Redskins the price for the #2 pick is going to be very steep. I've seen some mock drafts where the author shows us trading down for returns that I think are ridiculous. I think it is far more likely that our asking price would be exceptionally high. After all, trading for that draft position is likely to get the other team either a generational talent at a key Edge position or a potential franchise QB. So, if I were doing the deal, the other team would have to throw out the draft value chart and PAY ME!

That would be the only way for the other team to get the #2 pick because I know what it's worth and I'd be perfectly happy to use that pick on Chase Young. They'd have to make me question my sanity for turning down the deal in this first year of building a new team.

I haven't seen anyone here - and we're supposed to be crazy Redskins fans - come up with a trade scenario that would make me do that deal. As a group, I think we've accepted the probability that we'll have to accept less than we'd like in a trade for Trent Williams but, conversely, we're underestimating the value of the #2 pick in this particular draft. It could be a gold mine.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1249392]If I'm the Redskins the price for the #2 pick is going to be very steep. I've seen some mock drafts where the author shows us trading down for returns that I think are ridiculous. I think it is far more likely that our asking price would be exceptionally high. After all, trading for that draft position is likely to get the other team either a generational talent at a key Edge position or a potential franchise QB. So, if I were doing the deal, the other team would have to throw out the draft value chart and PAY ME!

That would be the only way for the other team to get the #2 pick because I know what it's worth and I'd be perfectly happy to use that pick on Chase Young. They'd have to make me question my sanity for turning down the deal in this first year of building a new team.

I haven't seen anyone here - and we're supposed to be crazy Redskins fans - come up with a trade scenario that would make me do that deal. As a group, I think we've accepted the probability that we'll have to accept less than we'd like in a trade for Trent Williams but, conversely, we're underestimating the value of the #2 pick in this particular draft. It could be a gold mine.[/quote]

I like the way you think.

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I have to admit I am now wondering about how much of an NFL season there may be in 2020.

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John Clayton says the Dolphins are only willing to move up if its to #1 which many have said recently, they do not believe the skins will draft Tua and if they did they like Herbert and Love a lot too.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1249404]John Clayton says the Dolphins are only willing to move up if its to #1 which many have said recently, they do not believe the skins will draft Tua and if they did they like Herbert and Love a lot too.[/quote]

Well then, using my rusty logic skills, if what Clayton is saying is true, then the Dolphins would only move up to #1 to draft Burrow.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1249404]John Clayton says the Dolphins are only willing to move up if its to #1 which many have said recently, they do not believe the skins will draft Tua and if they did they like Herbert and Love a lot too.[/quote]

Dupe post again.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1249405]Well then, using my rusty logic skills, if what Clayton is saying is true, then the Dolphins would only move up to #1 to draft Burrow.[/quote]

Yeah they rated Burrow as a perfect grade on their bored.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1249408]Yeah they rated Burrow as a perfect grade on their bored.[/quote]

Was it because they were tired of looking at it and kept yawning and struggling to stay awake? #draftbored

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Interesting article in The Athletic by Bob McGinn, a big time pro talent evaluator reviewing the WR and TE's in the draft. He makes the point that while there are a lot of very talented receivers in the draft, he does not see any that are likely All-Pro, including guys like Jeudy. It is interesting because he breaks the players down by specific strengths and weaknesses. He does not see many of the receivers as genuine first round material, more like second, third and fourth round types. That suggests we may be able to find decent receiver talent, albeit with definite weaknesses, in the 3rd and 4th rounds. He does not see any of the TE candidates as going higher than the 3rd round other than possibly Kmet. He sees the Dayton kid as more of a 4th round pick as a TE.
All in all he sees a lot of talented but not All Pro caliber receivers whose success may depend upon how they are schemed and used.

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[quote=Ohioskins;1249415]Interesting article in The Athletic by Bob McGinn, a big time pro talent evaluator reviewing the WR and TE's in the draft. He makes the point that while there are a lot of very talented receivers in the draft, he does not see any that are likely All-Pro, including guys like Jeudy. It is interesting because he breaks the players down by specific strengths and weaknesses. He does not see many of the receivers as genuine first round material, more like second, third and fourth round types. That suggests we may be able to find decent receiver talent, albeit with definite weaknesses, in the 3rd and 4th rounds. He does not see any of the TE candidates as going higher than the 3rd round other than possibly Kmet. He sees the Dayton kid as more of a 4th round pick as a TE.
All in all he sees a lot of talented but not All Pro caliber receivers whose success may depend upon how they are schemed and used.[/quote]

I'm gonna somewhat agree with this...Jeudy isn't a talent like Coop or Julio coming out of Bama, but I think Ceedee Lamb has the most all all pro talent. I do think this draft does have a lot of starters and it will depend on coaching and scheme how they progress. Which they may not be all pro, but if you can score a solid starter at WR in the late first, second and 3rd, that is saying something about the class.

I totally agree at TE, this is a terrible class and its even a worse one to take a gamble with some of these guys in the 3rd round. We should wait til the 4th and 5th for TE. Don't reach for these guys.

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It's hard to say any of these guys are ALL-PRO material.. Who's to say Burrow is a lock to be great or Chase or Tua? It's all a crap shoot.

If you look back at our drafts, Jon Allen at the time was a "Great" pick.. Now he's looking like an average at best player. Payne as well.

Clowney was that Chase Young of his class remember scouts saying how he's a generational talent? Now he's about to be on his 3rd team.

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To be more precise, McGinn was saying that he did not grade many of these guys, including Lamb, as No. 1 receivers. He evaluated Lamb as a No. 2 receiver. Same with the other high ranked guys. The top prospects are Not No.1, but more likely No. 2 , receivers according to McGinn.

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The guy who I would like to see us pick, particularly if he is available in the 4th round, is KJ Hill from Ohio State. While he is not as fast as McLauren, he is the same kind of disciplined route runner as Terry. They both learned their craft from OSU receivers' coach Brian Hartline. One of the hallmarks of Hartline's coaching is instilling the discipline of precision in running routes. Like McLauren, KJ Hill is a very precise route runner and is familiar to Haskins since they played together at OSU. Hill holds Ohio State's career record for receptions and he would be a very nice addition to McLauren since they both worked together with Haskins in 2018. Some drafts have Hill going in the third round. Others have him going in the 4th.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1249423]It's hard to say any of these guys are ALL-PRO material.. Who's to say Burrow is a lock to be great or Chase or Tua? It's all a crap shoot.

[B]If you look back at our drafts, Jon Allen at the time was a "Great" pick.. Now he's looking like an average at best player. Payne as well.
[/B]
Clowney was that Chase Young of his class remember scouts saying how he's a generational talent? Now he's about to be on his 3rd team.[/quote]

I'm looking for big things from both of them this year. They should be able to take a leap, as they are another year older, and they now have Del Rio/Rivera. No excuses for them. They need to be studs this year.

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[quote=Ohioskins;1249424]To be more precise, McGinn was saying that he did not grade many of these guys, including Lamb, as No. 1 receivers. He evaluated Lamb as a No. 2 receiver. Same with the other high ranked guys. The top prospects are Not No.1, but more likely No. 2 , receivers according to McGinn.[/quote]

It would be interesting to know how he graded current NFL rosters. I would wager there aren't 32 guys he would evaluate as No. 1 guys. For most positions there aren't enough certified studs for every team to have 1/2 great starters at every position. I think Jeudy is gonna be very good. Lamb too. It will be interesting to tracking these guys careers.

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This draft is laughably loaded (IMO):

2: R1P21 - EDGE CHASE YOUNG - OHIO STATE
66: R3P2 - TE COLE KMET - NOTRE DAME
108: R4P2 - S ASHTYN DAVIS - CALIFORNIA
142: R4P36 - C TYLER BIADASZ - WISCONSIN
162: R5P16 - TE THADDEUS MOSS - LSU
216: R7P2 - CB MICHAEL OJEMUDIA - IOWA
229: R7P15 - OT TERRANCE STEELE - TEXAS TECH

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1249423]It's hard to say any of these guys are ALL-PRO material.. Who's to say Burrow is a lock to be great or Chase or Tua? It's all a crap shoot.

If you look back at our drafts, Jon Allen at the time was a "Great" pick.. Now he's looking like an average at best player. Payne as well.

Clowney was that Chase Young of his class remember scouts saying how he's a generational talent? Now he's about to be on his 3rd team.[/quote]

Could not agree more!!!!

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1249423]It's hard to say any of these guys are ALL-PRO material.. Who's to say Burrow is a lock to be great or Chase or Tua? It's all a crap shoot.

If you look back at our drafts, Jon Allen at the time was a "Great" pick.. Now he's looking like an average at best player. Payne as well.

Clowney was that Chase Young of his class remember scouts saying how he's a generational talent? Now he's about to be on his 3rd team.[/quote]

Who was their D coach? Things are about to change drastically, if you think Chase will be just be another player, think again.

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Definitely don't agree with Payne and Allen being average... and while Clowney is moving on to a new team it's not because of his talent

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[quote=MTK;1249559]Definitely don't agree with Payne and Allen being average... and while Clowney is moving on to a new team it's not because of his talent[/quote]
Took the words out of my mouth. What I read about Young he doesn't seem to have the same attitude as Clowney, the latter seeming to me to be another Haynesworth.

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Payne's been good, but I think he could be great this year. Del Rio has been a solid d coordinator, but unlike Scott Turner, my expectations are much higher with the talent on his side of the ball. There are no excuses for Del Rio especially with that front line if we can add CY.

A guy who was very good last year...Tim Settle. I really would like to see a Dline with both Settle and Payne at DT next to one another in some situations.

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[quote=Chico23231;1249563]Payne's been good, but I think he could be great this year. Del Rio has been a solid d coordinator, but unlike Scott Turner, my expectations are much higher with the talent on his side of the ball. There are no excuses for Del Rio especially with that front line if we can add CY.

A guy who was very good last year...Tim Settle. I really would like to see a Dline with both Settle and Payne at DT next to one another in some situations.[/quote]

I agree, love Settle he can manhandle people. Would like to see more time given to him.

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[quote=MTK;1249559]Definitely don't agree with Payne and Allen being average... and while Clowney is moving on to a new team it's not because of his talent[/quote]

Average among their positions? Yes, Payne has been more consistent but there is no doubt that Allen has had multiple games where you didn't even know he was out there. Maybe it was the scheme, we'll find out I guess.

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[quote=Ohioskins;1249415]Interesting article in The Athletic by Bob McGinn, a big time pro talent evaluator reviewing the WR and TE's in the draft. He makes the point that while there are a lot of very talented receivers in the draft, he does not see any that are likely All-Pro, including guys like Jeudy. It is interesting because he breaks the players down by specific strengths and weaknesses. He does not see many of the receivers as genuine first round material, more like second, third and fourth round types. That suggests we may be able to find decent receiver talent, albeit with definite weaknesses, in the 3rd and 4th rounds. He does not see any of the TE candidates as going higher than the 3rd round other than possibly Kmet. He sees the Dayton kid as more of a 4th round pick as a TE.
All in all he sees a lot of talented but not All Pro caliber receivers whose success may depend upon how they are schemed and used.[/quote]

1st round wr's bust all the time anyway. That is the position imo with the most risk to draft in the 1st round. Plenty of productive wr's all around the league that are found in the middle rounds.

I like Thad Moss in the 3rd round if he's there. Yeah he's not a pure TE but all I ever saw him do was never drop a pass, get open and block pretty well. He looks like an H back type to me.

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Most of the time I see Allen being double teamed, you think that might have something to do with it?

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[quote=skinsfan69;1249587]1st round wr's bust all the time anyway. That is the position imo with the most risk to draft in the 1st round. Plenty of productive wr's all around the league that are found in the middle rounds.

I like Thad Moss in the 3rd round if he's there. Yeah he's not a pure TE but all I ever saw him do was never drop a pass, get open and block pretty well. He looks like an H back type to me.[/quote]

That seems too early to draft Moss, IMO, and I would be very surprised if he wasn't available at that point. Frankly, I'd pass on him in the 3rd. He should be there in the 4th round, IMO, in fact my guess is he would be available at our 2nd 4th round pick.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1249592]Most of the time I see Allen being double teamed, you think that might have something to do with it?[/quote]

It would be hard to double team Allen if we had Young.

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McGinn's analysis agrees that there are many WR who are a bust. He says the WR face the biggest change in the move from, college to pro because corners and safeties in the pros are so much better and faster than in college. He said the biggest factor separating success from failure for WR in pros is learning how to read, react and adjust to the actual coverage a WR get at the snap of the ball. His theory seems to fit in well with McLauren as a prime example of a guy who knows how to make the instinctive adjustment as a play is developing.

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[quote=Number44;1249595]It would be hard to double team Allen if we had Young.[/quote]

Exactly!! With the talent on our DL it would be dominant. You think the 49ers line is good? Ours will be much better with Young, DOMINANT!!

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I would give Trey Burton a contract.

[url]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001109866/article/roundup-bears-cutting-te-trey-burton-after-2-years[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1249643]I would give Trey Burton a contract.

[url]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001109866/article/roundup-bears-cutting-te-trey-burton-after-2-years[/url][/quote]

The collection of InjuRedskins is almost complete!

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I know it would take a draft pick but I would offer a 5th rd pick for O.J. Howard.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1249652]I know it would take a draft pick but I would offer a 5th rd pick for O.J. Howard.[/quote]

Me too. And I'd run off like a bandit. He is still young, he can get better. And he's loaded with physical talent. If Bucs ever offer that, it should be accepted before the end of the sentence.

I could live with a:

Howard
L. Thomas
Sprinkle or Rodgers

TE group. A 4th guy would be on the PS, most likely Hentges.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1249652]I know it would take a draft pick but I would offer a 5th rd pick for O.J. Howard.[/quote]Well we did for Kyle Allen. I don't know that Tampa's cap situation is conducive to Wiliams' contract so this may have to be entertained if a trade cannot get done. Still maintain we shy away from Howard. Again, it speaks volumes that Tampa wants to move him at 25. Brady loves tes. Almost inexplicable they would want to move a talent like Howard now.

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"Im told the Redskins will not pursure Oj Howard or Trey Burton at this time "

Keim

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1249684]"Im told the Redskins will not pursure Oj Howard or Trey Burton at this time "

Keim

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk[/quote]Yup. The Rodgers/Thomas audition for next year for sure. Hope they get it done. A little surprised they didn't sniff either Howard/Burton but like the fact they are decisive.

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[quote=The Skinsinator;1249685]Yup. The Rodgers/Thomas audition for next year for sure. Hope they get it done. A little surprised they didn't sniff either Howard/Burton but like the fact they are decisive.[/quote]

Burton didn't do much, other than the last year with Eagles so I don't care about him although I'm kinda surprised about Howard.. Redskins weren't interested in trading for Hurst or Howard, and didn't do everything they could to sign Hooper (same efforts they put in with A. Cooper). This tells me that Redskins aren't that concerned about the TE position as we fans are. Logan Thomas looks athletic and can run, but he is still learning the position. Rodgers is just a back up player.. It's possible there are TEs in the draft that Redskins really like, or it's just that they don't want to force anything, just for sake of having a TE.