Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[quote=punch it in;1132119]...Anyway I think anytime you draft a player, in this case a qb as you mentioned, that is not going to play anytime soon - when you have SO MANY OTHER NEEDS- it is a reach.[/quote]When do you think its okay/'not a reach' to draft a QB somewhere in the draft?

I wouldn't worry about it messing with Kirk's head. If Kirk is the QB you think he is, i'm sure he'll be fine.

[quote]...When GB took Rodgers, Favre was obviously towards the end of his career and it was a case where a really highly touted qb was inexplicably hanging around.[/quote]Scrathing my head....

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[quote=punch it in;1132119]I said "hold colt, and get a veteran to back up KC". I meant collectively. I should have been more clear and said "another veteran" though. My bad. [B]Anyway I think anytime you draft a player, in this case a qb as you mentioned, that is not going to play anytime soon - when you have SO MANY OTHER NEEDS- it is a reach. Also it would maybe mess with KC's head.[/B] Where as if we stand pat with Colt and another veteran, KC knows he is the man. When GB took Rodgers, Favre was obviously towards the end of his career and it was a case where a really highly touted qb was inexplicably hanging around.[/quote]

Personally, I think it is unwise to depend solely on a QB who has been pretty much up and down, even in this year which is so far his best. Drafting a QB in the next two years should not be out of the question IMO. Other than Trent and Kerrigan, I don't think there is anyone else on this roster who is locked in at their position.

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

If McC sees a good QB and it lines up BPA...take him

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[quote=Ruhskins;1132144]Personally, I think it is unwise to depend solely on a QB who has been pretty much up and down, even in this year which is so far his best. Drafting a QB in the next two years should not be out of the question IMO. Other than Trent and Kerrigan, I don't think there is anyone else on this roster who is locked in at their position.[/quote]

Up and down? I haven't seen any "down" performances by the Qb in a while. KC has been solid in his first year starting. Great? No. But he has stabilized the position. Drafting a QB early is not the way to go. Get some better players around him, get a 6'4 stud wr, let's get another TE that can actually block and not hold and get PI's. Get a center and maybe another guard that can play right away.

This is how you get better, this is how your offense gets better. And some better playcalling wouldn't hurt either.

Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[QUOTE=NoCalHail;1132140]I have no idea about contracts. I am not even factoring in money at this point as I know QB's make a lot of money, often more than their actual worth due to it being the single biggest need on a team.



As far as QB's go, I'd say other than Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Manning (in his prime), Cam (at least the 2016 version), Phillip Rivers, Rothelisburger (at least for a stretch of his career), Eli Manning, most of the rest of the pack other than the bottom feeders like Cassel, *insert Browns QB here*, are interchangeable.



Basically I don't think Cousins is a Top 10 QB, but I also don't think he is a bottom 10. That leaves him in that middle of the pack category and I think a lot of those guys are interchangeable. They can captain the ship but aren't difference makers.[/QUOTE]


Fair enough. I think that middle pack is a little more diverse than you - in other words - are they closer to being a bottom feeder or a difference maker? Imo Kirk is certainly middle of the pack now but i feel he is towards the top of that group. I believe if things are done properly around him over this off season he can be a difference maker.

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[QUOTE=30gut;1132143]When do you think its okay/'not a reach' to draft a QB somewhere in the draft?



I wouldn't worry about it messing with Kirk's head. If Kirk is the QB you think he is, i'm sure he'll be fine.



Scrathing my head....[/QUOTE]


What are you scratching your head about? That i think Rodgers drop in the first round was strange or that Favre was towards the end of his career? As for it messing with his head - I do believe he will be fine, but with so many other needs it isnt even worth testing the theory imo.
I think it is ok to draft a qb in the draft
A) when you dont have one who is worth a shit
B) when someone with the potential to be special falls into your lap
C) when you're qb is getting towards the end of his career
None of these, imo, apply to the Redskins in the upcoming draft.

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[QUOTE=Chico23231;1132145]If McC sees a good QB and it lines up BPA...take him[/QUOTE]


So second round with all of our needs there is a good qb, good ilb, good safety, and good center. The qb is bpa. Take the qb? I say .... Poppycock to that.

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

Cousins is veteran quarterback now. While he's still young this team is always scouting. If McCoy isn't going to be the starter or if and when his contract is up he may not re-sign. They should draft a young project with lots of upside to groom for the future.

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[quote=punch it in;1132148]What are you scratching your head about? That i think Rodgers drop in the first round was strange or that Favre was towards the end of his career? As for it messing with his head - I do believe he will be fine, but with so many other needs it isnt even worth testing the theory imo.
I think it is ok to draft a qb in the draft
A) when you dont have one who is worth a shit
B) when someone with the potential to be special falls into your lap
C) when you're qb is getting towards the end of his career
None of these, imo, apply to the Redskins in the upcoming draft.[/quote]Interesting. I mean I couldn't disagree more, but to each their own. I prefer the Ron Wolf/WCO approach to QBs. QBs are so valuable that you should always have at least 1 in development. And I would prefer the FO not to backed into a 'need' situation, which imo is where your plan ends up.

BTW how does a team recognize a QB w/ potential to be special? I presume all franchise believe in all the QBs/players they draft.

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[quote=htownskinfan;1132142]Whoa hold on there.Our pass protection has been pretty good this yr,run blocking is a different story.Skins are one of the leaders in fewest sacks given up[/quote]

He had know time to pass against Dallas ..part of the issue is the RB kept missing blocks..they had to bring in Compton and kept TE also to help block.Cousins was harassed all night long and still did not play bad..The skins need a center bad. There are so many needs that i hope we don't draft a QB with a top pick. Reed is killing us with penalties also..whats up with that? It looks like the skins are going to let Kirk throw it more down the stretch so we are going to find out who Kirk is now!

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[quote=punch it in;1132149]So second round with all of our needs there is a good qb, good ilb, good safety, and good center. The qb is bpa. Take the qb? I say .... Poppycock to that.[/quote]

BPA is the mantra in this McC life. You need to be bout this life

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

No way he would take a qb in second round bpa or not. Not in this life or any other.
I dont like it n either does Kirk.
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Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1132146]Up and down? I haven't seen any "down" performances by the Qb in a while. KC has been solid in his first year starting. Great? No. But he has stabilized the position. Drafting a QB early is not the way to go. Get some better players around him, get a 6'4 stud wr, let's get another TE that can actually block and not hold and get PI's. Get a center and maybe another guard that can play right away.

This is how you get better, this is how your offense gets better. And some better playcalling wouldn't hurt either.[/quote]

I'm all for Cousins and yes, he's been more up than down. I'm not taking a side on the Cousins' lovers/Cousins' haters feud; just squarely in the middle that we should keep Cousins and he is the better option for QB of the future; yet keeping him doesn't mean that [U]one or two years[/U] down the road this team is not going to keep a QB.

Especially in the first three rounds, there are a lots of needs that I think this team could address in the next two drafts. But if Scot sees some QB he wants to pick up sometime in the next two years, I'm okay with it.

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[quote=punch it in;1132157]No way he would take a qb in second round bpa or not. Not in this life or any other.
I dont like it n either does Kirk.
[IMG]http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/10/531f780e35e9e5af26ae1ddc4a0f86c6.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Did he lose a bet or something on this picture?

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[QUOTE=30gut;1132154]Interesting. I mean I couldn't disagree more, but to each their own. I prefer the Ron Wolf/WCO approach to QBs. QBs are so valuable that you should always have at least 1 in development. And I would prefer the FO not to backed into a 'need' situation, which imo is where your plan ends up.



BTW how does a team recognize a QB w/ potential to be special? I presume all franchise believe in all the QBs/players they draft.[/QUOTE]


Let me preface that if in round 6-7 there is a qb there that is someone they like than so be it. Im talking more about the first few rounds. However imo Kirk, Colt, and some kick the tires vet who is still lookin to collect a paycheck that we can get for cheap in FA is the way to go.
When i say "potential to be special" i mean if it is early on to mid draft and there is a guy our FO really really likes that they are shocked is still out there. Not just picking up a qb who is bpa because we want to experiment. We have way to many other more pressing needs rite now than qb to waste a pick on. And dont be upset when we dont draft a qb because we wont.