Re: McNabb a REDSKIN!
 

[quote=GTripp0012;683068]Talked to five football analysts that I really respect (not including myself). None are Redskins fans. None are Eagle fans. Two are Giants fans.

It was unianimous, 5-0, that the Redskins got boned hard in this trade. There is no one who I have talked to, who understands the game, who likes this trade for us.

That's just the facts.[/quote]

Not sure who your sources are but so far today the reviews I've heard learn in the Redskins direction as to who got the better end. Most are saying the move is very high risk/low reward for the Eagles.

I haven't heard anyone say the Skins got boned.

Re: McNabb a REDSKIN!
 

[quote=GTripp0012;683081]The suckage comes to mind.[/quote]

So our receivers are worse than:

James Thrash / Todd Pinkston ?

Greg Lewis / Reggie Brown ?

Donte Stallworth / Reggie Brown ?

I don't think so.

Re: McNabb a REDSKIN!
 

[quote=skinsfan69;683082]How do you get boned hard by giving up a 2nd rounder for a top ten NFL QB that still has several good years left?? I'm amazed by that.[/quote]

Even Andy Reid thinks they took the short end of the deal.

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[quote][B]Coach Andy Reid wanted to keep Donovan McNabb even if it cost him Kevin Kolb, a source tells Yahoo's Jason Cole.[/B]
"Andy thinks Kolb is going to be really good, maybe great. But he knows Donovan is great and probably will be for three or four years," the source said. While Reid has almost always been firmly in McNabb's corner, he knew keeping Kolb as a backup for the next few years was not an option. And if he really thinks Donovan will be "great" for the next few years, he probably wouldn't have traded him in the division.


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via: [url=http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=704]Donovan McNabb[/url]
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Re: McNabb a REDSKIN!
 

[quote=skinsfan69;683085]well i'd say jackson is better that anyone we currently have. but i think mcnabb will make out current guys better. or he'll make them look better than jc did.[/quote]

McNabb didn't always have DeSean Jackson, though. He was perfectly fine without Jackson.

Re: McNabb a REDSKIN!
 

[quote=Mattyk;683086]Not sure who your sources are but so far today the reviews I've heard learn in the Redskins direction as to who got the better end. Most are saying the move is very high risk/low reward for the Eagles.

I haven't heard anyone say the Skins got boned.[/quote]

Yes, but you're forgetting that when GTripp says something, it's a concrete "fact"!

[quote=Audi;683090]McNabb didn't always have DeSean Jackson, though. He was perfectly fine without Jackson.[/quote]

Absolutely, what we've been saying on this board for years is that McNabb and the Eagles never had WRs. Suddenly we forget that? Donovan has had Westbrook as his entire offense for most of his career.

Re: McNabb a REDSKIN!
 

[quote=Redskin Jim;683083]The questions are: would we have picked a better qb with our 2nd rounder? NO, and: Are we better at qb than we were with JC? Unquestionably!!
Good move, now we need to make other good moves to regain picks, be it throught trading players for picks or trade down from #4.[/quote]You're hardly making an apples to apples comparison, but I'd say that Colt McCoy will be a better player than McNabb by 2011. I don't know if McCoy will make it to 37 though.

Re: McNabb a REDSKIN!
 

[quote=GTripp0012;683075]I don't think Marshall is anyone's answer, but we're going to have to do something at the wide receiver position.[/quote]

well if he can get 100+ catches and 10 td's in 15 games with orton throwing him the ball then i'd expect him to put up comparbale or better numbers with mcnabb. but the line is still going to be a problem, regardless of whether we deal the 1st rounder or not.

Re: McNabb a REDSKIN!
 

[quote=GTripp0012;683092]You're hardly making an apples to apples comparison, but I'd say that Colt McCoy will be a better player than McNabb by 2011. I don't know if McCoy will make it to 37 though.[/quote]
I know you've expressed your "mancrush" on McCoy, is this why you are salty about this trade? No McCoy @37? LOL, just kidding Tripp.

Re: McNabb a REDSKIN!
 

[quote=Mattyk;683086]Not sure who your sources are but so far today the reviews I've heard learn in the Redskins direction as to who got the better end. Most are saying the move is very high risk/low reward for the Eagles.

I haven't heard anyone say the Skins got boned.[/quote]I've heard a lot of uninformed opinions today as well, but it's staggering how little dissent is among the people who feed me my football information. I mean, literally, I haven't found an impartial observer who does this stuff for a living and likes this deal.

The knowledge gap re: McNabb could not be bigger between those who study it, and those who take their opinions from others. I don't say that to suggest football is an elitist game that only a select few understand (it's not), but that [B]in the case of this one player[/B] no one is really doing their homework before spouting off. It's obvious.

Re: McNabb a REDSKIN!
 

[quote=GTripp0012;683095]I've heard a lot of uninformed opinions today as well, but it's staggering how little dissent is among the people who feed me my football information. I mean, literally, I haven't found an impartial observer who does this stuff for a living and likes this deal.

The knowledge gap re: McNabb could not be bigger between those who study it, and those who take their opinions from others. I don't say that to suggest football is an elitist game that only a select few understand (it's not), but that [B]in the case of this one player[/B] no one is really doing their homework before spouting off. It's obvious.[/quote]

You cited KC Joyner as your first and only source of opinion thus far. KC Joyner once said Alex Smith, Joey Harrington, Luke McCown, and Tarvaris Jackson were the Top 10 decision makers in the NFL.

When you refer to "those who take their opinions from others" who are you referring to?

Re: McNabb a REDSKIN!
 

[quote=Audi;683090]McNabb didn't always have DeSean Jackson, though. He was perfectly fine without Jackson.[/quote]

i agree. as i said earlier, outside of tom brady, no one has done more w/ less than mcnabb.

Re: McNabb a REDSKIN!
 

[quote=GTripp0012;683068]Talked to five football analysts that I really respect (not including myself). None are Redskins fans. None are Eagle fans. Two are Giants fans.

It was unianimous, 5-0, that the Redskins got boned hard in this trade. There is no one who I have talked to, who understands the game, who likes this trade for us.

That's just the facts.[/quote]

Well thats fine, but you can probably find 5 other analysts who say this is a great move for the Skins, its still opinions. What everybody can agree on is that this is an upgrade over JC.

I really really cant wait to see how Kolb plays for the Eagles. The pressure to perform is going to be thousand times greater on him than McNabb. The Eagles are a proven playoff team for a decade straight, McNabb did have something to do with that. Now lets see how Kolb handles that pressure in Philly, ohhhhh its going to be very interesting.

Re: McNabb a REDSKIN!
 

[quote=GTripp0012;683095]I've heard a lot of uninformed opinions today as well, but it's staggering how little dissent is among the people who feed me my football information. I mean, literally, I haven't found an impartial observer who does this stuff for a living and likes this deal.

The knowledge gap re: McNabb could not be bigger between those who study it, and those who take their opinions from others. I don't say that to suggest football is an elitist game that only a select few understand (it's not), but that [B]in the case of this one player[/B] no one is really doing their homework before spouting off. It's obvious.[/quote]

Ok, is this Rush posting under GTripp?

Re: McNabb a REDSKIN!
 

[quote=Buster;683073]Opinions are now "facts"?


I've actually had the opposite experience, many non-Redskin/non-Eagle fans I've spoken to (very knowledgeable fans also) think the Eagles are stupid for making this deal and we're better for it. I spoke to someone who has been a diehard Eagle fan for 31 years...who gave up on the franchise and can't stomach their mistakes and the recent dismantling of the team. They're not "re-tooling", they're in an all-out dismantling and rebuilding job.


Personally, my vote in this thread goes to "Don't know...wait and see". I can't vote yes or no, I'm conflicted inside, still in a state of shock. I just didn't see this deal coming.[/quote]

I'm with you on the wait-and-see.

However, it is difficult to argue that the Redskins got boned. If we trade JC for a 3rd or 4th pick, then essentially we got McNabb for a second round pick alone in terms of cost investment.

It is hard to argue that the Eagles got boned. They needed to move McNabb and no one was willing to give up a #1 pick. He could have walked without any compensation to the Eagles next year.

Although I remain shocked and unsettled, in terms of the trade dynamics itself it seems like a win-win for both teams.

Re: McNabb a REDSKIN!
 

[quote=GTripp0012;683081]The suckage comes to mind.[/quote]


Once ARE left town so did all of our WR talent...

I am perfectly happy with our pass catching options and FA isn't over. They just need to be put in better spots (which is why we have the best offensive mind in the league, now).