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[quote=mooby;1185693]Well, he passes the statistics test.

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If you are gonna say he doesn't pass the W-L test, I will counterpoint and say 45 players are responsible for the W-L test, even the singularly most responsible 1 of the 45 is only accountable for so much. Let's put the number at 33%, because defense and special teams accounts for the other 2/3rds.

Besides, you give him a long term contract, yes he will have a top 5 contract when he receives it, but you fast forward a year and he will probably have a top 10 or top 15 contract at that point depending on how many qb's are reupping in the short term. At what point in the salary cap era has the going rate for qb's ever decreased year-to-year? The going rate for qb's 2 years ago was 20 million, now it's likely to be 27 million. We'd have him at a bargain today if we had been smart 2 years ago.[/quote]

Agree totally. Remember when not that long ago there was debate whether a long term deal at (edit:20 mil/year) was extravagant? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

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Season completions is a nothing stat. Jason Campbell had that stat before Kirk got it by throwing to his running back 7 out of 10 times. Yardage is a product of a great offensive scheme and being in that scheme for years.

Kirk cheated the offseason rules by training at Jon Gruden's camp. Similar offense concepts, that was smart, it made him better. That won't be available to him anymore. Kirk is a good between the 20's QB. Redzone he is marginal at best. Trust me... Josh Allen, Rosen, Darnold, Baker Mayfield will be just as good and in time better than Kirk under Gruden and co.

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[quote=diehardskin2982;1185700]Season completions is a nothing stat. Jason Campbell had that stat before Kirk got it by throwing to his running back 7 out of 10 times. Yardage is a product of a great offensive scheme and being in that scheme for years.

Kirk cheated the offseason rules by training at Jon Gruden's camp. Similar offense concepts, that was smart, it made him better. That won't be available to him anymore. Kirk is a good between the 20's QB. Redzone he is marginal at best. Trust me... Josh Allen, Rosen, Darnold, Baker Mayfield will just as good and in time better than Kirk under Gruden and co.[/quote]

And yet the great offensive scheme failed this season. I'd agree to wait and see what happens next season. I think with anything less than an elite QB, and no upgrades at WR or our run game, it's going to be really ugly next season.

And if it was cheating, you know the league would have been all over us.

And I am more and more amazed how easily Redskin fans switch from rooting for to trashing the first franchise QB we have had in awhile. It's not his fault our idiot ownership couldn't get a good deal done.

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Let me rephrase it as exploiting a "unique loophole". I refuse to put Kirk before the team regardless of who the leadership is. He is not worth the money it will take to keep him, knowing the many holes we have on the roster. It is best to admit the mistake or not signing him earlier and moving on.

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Keenum & Bortles are playing championship games ...wow ! So does this change anything with Cousins? I see it this way You got 4 teams left QB'S are ..Foles,kennum,Bortles..and Brady. This Tells me for sure you don't have to have an ELITE QB to win playoff games..who would have thought Ryan,Big Ben,Brees sitting home watching Foles(by injury),Keenum,Bortles..WOW! I like Cousins and wish like heck we could have signed him way back when he could be had cheaper..But seems to me Defense ,overall play by Offense
WR,Running game .solid special teams may be more of factor than I thought..Do you guys believe That Brady could have led this team to playoffs? If not then i can't see how we make Cousins the HIGHEST paid Player in the League..its all about the money/cap thing.

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I love cousins too. Watching these games though makes our lack of defense and a running back stand out.

Wow. These running backs are so good at strong cuts together.

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1185749]I love cousins too. Watching these games though makes our lack of defense and a running back stand out.

Wow. These running backs are so good at strong cuts together.[/QUOTE]We haven't had a true good RB1 since CP. Morris was great one yr but that was the scheme. He was solid the rest

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/01/15/drew-brees-makes-it-clear-he-isnt-going-anywhere/]Drew Brees makes it clear he isn’t going anywhere – ProFootballTalk[/url]

No surprise here but KC is officially the best QB on the market.

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I think the teams remaining in the playoffs illustrate how important defense is. Vikings, Eagles, Patriots, Jaguars, all top notch defensive teams.

Eagles and Pats got there with top notch QBs AND strong defense. Vikings and Jags got there with journeyman level QBs and strong defense.

Thinking you can't build a defense if you sign Cousins is faulty thinking though. The Jags signed a few studs this year, but they drafted Dante Fowler, Jalen Ramsey, and Myles Jack to name a few.

And the Vikings #1 defense is almost entirely homegrown.

It comes back to the draft and coaching in the end. We need to land some very good defensive players in the draft and we need to continue developing our own. And yes, that's possible with Kirk getting paid top dollar.

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[quote=Schneed10;1185774]I think the teams remaining in the playoffs illustrate how important defense is. Vikings, Eagles, Patriots, Jaguars, all top notch defensive teams.

Eagles and Pats got there with top notch QBs AND strong defense. Vikings and Jags got there with journeyman level QBs and strong defense.

Thinking you can't build a defense if you sign Cousins is faulty thinking though. The Jags signed a few studs this year, but they drafted Dante Fowler, Jalen Ramsey, and Myles Jack to name a few.

And the Vikings #1 defense is almost entirely homegrown.

It comes back to the draft and coaching in the end. We need to land some very good defensive players in the draft and we need to continue developing our own. And yes, that's possible with Kirk getting paid top dollar.[/quote]


Our picks are solid players but we def don't have anyone close to Ramsey or Smith / Jack on our D.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1185776]Our picks are solid players but we def don't have anyone close to Ramsey or Smith / Jack on our D.[/quote]

I've never seen somebody post so much but say so little.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1185701]And yet the great offensive scheme failed this season. I'd agree to wait and see what happens next season. I think with anything less than an elite QB, and no upgrades at WR or our run game, it's going to be really ugly next season.

And if it was cheating, you know the league would have been all over us.

And I am more and more amazed how easily Redskin fans switch from rooting for to trashing the first franchise QB we have had in awhile. It's not his fault our idiot ownership couldn't get a good deal done.[/quote]

Franchise QB? Really? Did you watch the last game of the season?Drew, Tom , Ben, are franchise QB’s . Kirk,average QB

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1185700]Season completions is a nothing stat. Jason Campbell had that stat before Kirk got it by throwing to his running back 7 out of 10 times. Yardage is a product of a great offensive scheme and being in that scheme for years.

Kirk cheated the offseason rules by training at Jon Gruden's camp. Similar offense concepts, that was smart, it made him better. That won't be available to him anymore. Kirk is a good between the 20's QB. Redzone he is marginal at best. Trust me... Josh Allen, Rosen, Darnold, Baker Mayfield will be just as good and in time better than Kirk under Gruden and co.[/quote]

Same as Brees IMO, great QB but that system is what makes him lethal.

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[quote=Schneed10;1185777]I've never seen somebody post so much but say so little.[/quote]

Because I like to have quick replies, I dont need to go into a long ass paragraph to agree/disagree.

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1185781]Because I like to have quick replies, I dont need to go into a long ass paragraph to agree/disagree.[/quote]

Makes you about as relevant as a fart in the wind but whatever floats your boat.