Re: Redskins Add WRs Pierre Garcon and Joshua Morgan
 

[quote=REDSKINS4ever;907158]If Aldrick Robinson does attain a roster spot and Gaffney is released that will really surprise me. The most productive receiver from the previous season getting the ax and a practice squad player all last year surviving the final cut? Seems doubtful but we'll just have to wait and see, won't we?[/quote]Think about it in terms of the role though. You have to replace Donte Stallworth and his 22/309/2 line. Your options are a pair of declining players who are well established in this league (at least as established as Stallworth was last year, probably more, certainly more with this franchise), or a younger draft pick of the team from 2011. If the performances in OTA's and Training Camp and Preseason were close, which one should the team pick? That's the question.

I mean if you don't think Robinson is capable of 22/309/2, then I don't think you should keep him.

Re: Redskins Add WRs Pierre Garcon and Joshua Morgan
 

PFF does a good breakdown of Tana in 2010 just adds some persepctive to the discussion Moss played 40% of his snaps from the slot:

[url=http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/05/17/2010-snap-breakdown-santana-moss/]2010 Snap Breakdown - Santana Moss | ProFootballFocus.com[/url]

For base personelle I could definetely see Moss at X and Garcon at Z.
Like GT said Moss did play a lot of X in base last year and under Zorn Moss was the X.
If Garcon is the the No.1 option and featured Z receiver and there is an open competition at the X I put my money on Tana.

Re: Redskins Add WRs Pierre Garcon and Joshua Morgan
 

I expect Hankerson and Garcon to be the two starters at the beginning of the season unless the coaches feel confident with starting Gaffney and Garcon. Moss will definitely be the slot receiver. If Moss doesn't start at the end of the season it wouldn't surprise me. But I still say he'll be a big part of the passing game. Garcon will start all season and Hankerson will eventually start opposite Garcon and Gaffney will fall 4th on the depth chart. Josh Morgan will of course be featured in certain situations. The Redskins have too much talent at receiver not to use 4 and 5 WR sets on 2nd and long and 3rd and long situations. With Cooley coming back and with Fred Davis always open, look for this passing game to be potent.

Re: Redskins Add WRs Pierre Garcon and Joshua Morgan
 

[quote=30gut;907169]PFF does a good breakdown of Tana in 2010 just adds some persepctive to the discussion Moss played 40% of his snaps from the slot:

[url=http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/05/17/2010-snap-breakdown-santana-moss/]2010 Snap Breakdown - Santana Moss | ProFootballFocus.com[/url]

For base personelle I could definetely see Moss at X and Garcon at Z.
Like GT said Moss did play a lot of X in base last year and under Zorn Moss was the X.
If Garcon is the the No.1 option and featured Z receiver and there is an open competition at the X I put my money on Tana.[/quote]They have apparently already decided that Garcon will play the X. There will not be competition at that position.

Hankerson and Morgan are to fight it out at Z. That would imply that the other would play in 3 WR sets, but that's not necessarily a conclusion. They could keep Moss as the backup X and use him in their 3 WR package in the same role he was already in.

Re: Redskins Add WRs Pierre Garcon and Joshua Morgan
 

I'd love nothing more than for Moss to prove me wrong and show he's still got something left in his legs and can be a slot weapon. That being said, I won't be heartbroken if we draft a Joe Adams, Ryan Broyles or Devon Wylie in the 4th or 5th round to become a slot weapon. I can see a vastly different WR group in 2013 than we did in 2011 with Moss, Gaffney, Armstrong, Austin and Banks no longer on the roster.

Re: Redskins Add WRs Pierre Garcon and Joshua Morgan
 

I'll be surprised if Hankerson or Morgan starts. One of my guys in the office is a longtime Niners fan and doesn't think Morgan is a starting-caliber WR, as in SanFran was more than happy to see him go. Hankerson's injury is a big-time question mark. If Garcon isn't at Z then Gaffney or even Moss will likely be the opening day starter.

Re: Redskins Add WRs Pierre Garcon and Joshua Morgan
 

[quote=The Goat;907585]I'll be surprised if Hankerson or Morgan starts. One of my guys in the office is a longtime Niners fan and doesn't think Morgan is a starting-caliber WR, as in SanFran was more than happy to see him go. Hankerson's injury is a big-time question mark. If Garcon isn't at Z then Gaffney or even Moss will likely be the opening day starter.[/quote]

That is interesting because I have heard that Mike Shanahan actually felt as though Josh Morgan was the steal out of the two (and could potentially contribute more in the offense). I wish I could provide a link, but I distinctly remember reading that.

Re: Redskins Add WRs Pierre Garcon and Joshua Morgan
 

[quote=GTripp0012;907576]They have apparently already decided that Garcon will play the X. There will not be competition at that position.

Hankerson and Morgan are to fight it out at Z. That would imply that the other would play in 3 WR sets, but that's not necessarily a conclusion. They could keep Moss as the backup X and use him in their 3 WR package in the same role he was already in.[/quote]Okay I thought Garcon was gonna be the Z well..If Garcon is the the No.1 option and featured X receiver and there is an open competition at the Z I put my money on Tana.

Re: Redskins Add WRs Pierre Garcon and Joshua Morgan
 

[quote=mbedner3420;907590]That is interesting because I have heard that Mike Shanahan actually felt as though Josh Morgan was the steal out of the two (and could potentially contribute more in the offense). I wish I could provide a link, but I distinctly remember reading that.[/quote]

That kind of makes Mike look stupid considering we blew most our FA wad on Garcon. But anyway like folks around here remind me it's all coach speak...

Re: Redskins Add WRs Pierre Garcon and Joshua Morgan
 

[quote=30gut;907617]Okay I thought Garcon was gonna be the Z well..If Garcon is the the No.1 option and featured X receiver and there is an open competition at the Z I put my money on Tana.[/quote]I could see that if Hankerson never gets healthy, and Moss ends up taking his reps in a fair competition with Morgan.

I would still bet on Morgan though. It's ultimately going to be Kyle's decision, but Mike's a big fan of Morgan.

If Hankerson is healthy and ready to go through OTA's, it's all going to be moot anyway. He'll never come off the field.

Re: Redskins Add WRs Pierre Garcon and Joshua Morgan
 

[quote=GTripp0012;907996]I could see that if Hankerson never gets healthy, and Moss ends up taking his reps in a fair competition with Morgan.

I would still bet on Morgan though. It's ultimately going to be Kyle's decision, but Mike's a big fan of Morgan.

If Hankerson is healthy and ready to go through OTA's, it's all going to be moot anyway. He'll never come off the field.[/quote]This should make for an ultra competitive training camp for the WR corps that's for sure.
I consider whatever production we get form Hankerson as a bonus.

BTW, has it been reported where they're gonna play Garcon?
Because Garcon still seems like more of an Z then an X to me.

Re: Redskins Add WRs Pierre Garcon and Joshua Morgan
 

[quote=The Goat;907585]I'll be surprised if Hankerson or Morgan starts. One of my guys in the office is a longtime Niners fan and doesn't think Morgan is a starting-caliber WR, as in SanFran was more than happy to see him go. Hankerson's injury is a big-time question mark. If Garcon isn't at Z then Gaffney or even Moss will likely be the opening day starter.[/quote]

Why does it sound like Hankerson is going to be Malcolm Kelly v. 2.0?

Re: Redskins Add WRs Pierre Garcon and Joshua Morgan
 

[quote=30gut;908011]This should make for an ultra competitive training camp for the WR corps that's for sure.
I consider whatever production we get form Hankerson as a bonus.

BTW, has it been reported where they're gonna play Garcon?
Because Garcon still seems like more of an Z then an X to me.[/quote]Rich Campbell reported that, citing coach Shanahan.

Re: Redskins Add WRs Pierre Garcon and Joshua Morgan
 

[quote=GTripp0012;908018]Rich Campbell reported that, citing coach Shanahan.[/quote]


In an open competition I am betting on Santana. No defensive coordinator in the NFL would try to cover Moss with a third corner back. He has been less productive because it has always been double team Moss, because there is no other viable alternative. Hopefully with Garcon, Hankerson as threats and Griffin moving around in the pocket, we see a resurgence for Moss ala like Steve Smith 2011. Bye Bye Gaffney.

Re: Redskins Add WRs Pierre Garcon and Joshua Morgan
 

[quote=GTripp0012;907996]I could see that if Hankerson never gets healthy, and Moss ends up taking his reps in a fair competition with Morgan.

I would still bet on Morgan though. It's ultimately going to be Kyle's decision, but Mike's a big fan of Morgan.

If Hankerson is healthy and ready to go through OTA's, it's all going to be moot anyway. He'll never come off the field.[/quote]

A rarity that I agree with everything you say here. Hankerson is the key to our WR position taking a big leap in production. Healthy, with a full offseason learning the offense and a full training camp he has potential to break out to be a 60 catch guy. If that happens it will open up vertical plays for Garçon and clear out underneath spaces for Morgan/Moss.