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I honestly think that if he makes that kick that the defense does not give up anmore points in the game, after he missed it all the life came out of the defense.

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Suisham cost them the game...plain and simple. Playoffs are all about momentum...it took all day but they finally quieted the crowd and seazed control and suisham gave it all back to seattle with that shank.

Honorable mention...Cooley's drop a couple plays before the missed field goal was huge also...he should have caught that ball and gave them 1st and goal at the 2...Cooley did some other good things in the game though.

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[quote=Mattyk72;402940]Like when Folk shanked that short one at FedEx?

Look, I'm not going to place all the blame on Suisham and I feel like that's kinda what's happening here. He had a good season, better than I think most of us expected.

On the year he was 29 of 35 for 82.9%.

Your boy Folk was slightly more accurate with 26 of 31 for 83.9%.

Not much of a difference between the two kickers.[/quote]

Except for the fact that Suisham has been released by 2 teams for inconsistency. And I am willing to bet money that #3 is not far behind.

Folk is a rookie and a Pro-Bowler.

Suisham CHOKED in Dallas, he CHOKED in San Francisco and he CHOKED a chip shot field goal on Saturday. He totally changed the momentum of that game on one play.

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Agreed and the titans kicker is a free agent

[QUOTE=NYCSkin;402682]Suisham did blow it. This thread is about what was the momentum killer and that missed kick was it.

We need a kicker that is money from under 40 yards. That missed kick is unacceptable in a playoff game. As are his short kickoffs. Based on his resume with us thus far--the Skins should bring in ample competition for his job this summer IMO...[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack;403278]Except for the fact that Suisham has been released by 2 teams for inconsistency. And I am willing to bet money that #3 is not far behind.

Folk is a rookie and a Pro-Bowler.

Suisham CHOKED in Dallas, he CHOKED in San Francisco and he CHOKED a chip shot field goal on Saturday. He totally changed the momentum of that game on one play.[/QUOTE]

How many FGs did he even attempt while in Dallas, and I don't remember him even making it off the practice squad in SF.

Finally, Folk is a Pro-Bowler because of the success of his team. Had Suisham been on a 13-3 team he'd be just as likely to be the PB representative.

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Reality check: Suisham isn't going anywhere and one play didn't cost us the game.

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Suisham is pretty good but how can you miss a 30 yarder? Matty I see what you are saying, but seriously dude you do not think this hurt our momentum? I simply cannot see how you can fool yourself into thinking otherwise.

I don't only blame him though, Saunders and play execution was terrible on that possession. If you are in the redzone in the playoffs you score no matter what, period. Cooley's drop, lack of blocking for Portis, Saunders' playcalling and Suisham's miss really really did kill us.

It is like how the Titans miss today killed their momentum and prevented it from being a 9-10 game they might have won.

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[quote=hooskins;403333]Suisham is pretty good but how can you miss a 30 yarder? Matty I see what you are saying, but seriously dude you do not think this hurt our momentum? I simply cannot see how you can fool yourself into thinking otherwise.

I don't only blame him though, Saunders and play execution was terrible on that possession. If you are in the redzone in the playoffs you score no matter what, period. Cooley's drop, lack of blocking for Portis, Saunders' playcalling and Suisham's miss really really did kill us.

It is like how the Titans miss today killed their momentum and prevented it from being a 9-10 game they might have won.[/quote]

Sure it hurt the momentum, but the entire game didn't hinge on that one play, that's my simple point.

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how many times have you heard the phrase"that one play changed the game"? I've heard it a bunch of times,but theres no way to ever know.You could easily say cooleys drop before that changed the game,I think by far{and i dont see how anyone can argue this point}the biggest play that changed the game was Moss giving up on that pass and it being returned for a td,that gave them a 2 td lead and it was over then.Wait,i take that back,you could argue the point that wasnt the biggest play,it could have been in the first half when Moss was wide open and Collins was hit as he throws and underthrows him and Moss would have walked in for the td.You cant blame Suisham for the loss,but did the momentum switch when he missed? Definitely
do we need a better kicker? definitely
will we get one? probably not,theyre not that easy to come by

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Suisham hit nearly 83% this year, sorry but I just don't see replacing him as a high priority. We've got other needs to chase. How about giving the kid a few years to see what exactly we've got in him and let him develop?

For those that want a "better" kicker, do you realize that Suisham was tied for 5th in the league with his 29 FG's?

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[quote=Mattyk72;403335]Sure it hurt the momentum, but the entire game didn't hinge on that one play, that's my simple point.[/quote]

Understood.

Ok how about this: Let's talk about that entire possession. Do you feel the lack of drawing out any points from that possession severely hurt our chances of winning?

I do. But it isn't all Suisham's fault. It falls with Saunders, Cooley, blocking and overall execution on those plays.

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[QUOTE=hooskins;403341]Understood.

Ok how about this: Let's talk about that entire possession. Do you feel the lack of drawing out any points from that possession severely hurt our chances of winning?

I do. But it isn't all Suisham's fault. It falls with Saunders, Cooley, blocking and overall execution on those plays.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely agree with that. Don't forget Sellers being out of place and forcing a timeout

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[quote=hooskins;403341]Understood.

Ok how about this: Let's talk about that entire possession. Do you feel the lack of drawing out any points from that possession severely hurt our chances of winning?

I do. But it isn't all Suisham's fault. It falls with Saunders, Cooley, blocking and overall execution on those plays.[/quote]

Of course, a TD and the game may have been over. Coming away with no points gave the Seahawks new life.

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Guys, we lost by 21 points. Tough to blame that entirely on the kicker. As for the Suisham chokes comments, I seem to recall him hitting a few game winners this season.

Fact is we've had the least consistent kicking situation in football basically since Chip Lohmiller so let's chill out a little bit.

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[quote=SmootSmack;403309]How many FGs did he even attempt while in Dallas, and I don't remember him even making it off the practice squad in SF.

Finally, Folk is a Pro-Bowler because of the success of his team. Had Suisham been on a 13-3 team he'd be just as likely to be the PB representative.[/quote]

I'll answer that one with a question.

Folk hit 2 consectutive 53-yarders in the final seconds in Buffalo to win a nationally televised Monday Night game on the road. Once, when Buffalo called a timeont to freeze the kicker, and then he did it again after the timeout.

I have seen enough of Shaun Suisham to know he probably would have missed one or both of those.

I don't know how far back you can search on this board, but I made a post a few months ago with regards to Suisham, stating that if Washington made it to the playoffs that he had the potential to miss a makeable but important FG and could hurt this teams chances.

[quote=matty72]Suisham hit nearly 83% this year, sorry but I just don't see replacing him as a high priority. We've got other needs to chase. How about giving the kid a few years to see what exactly we've got in him and let him develop?

For those that want a "better" kicker, do you realize that Suisham was tied for 5th in the league with his 29 FG's?[/quote]

You are right replacing him may not be a priority, but he has been with 3 teams in 3 years. How much time does he need?

Giving him time to develop is not the answer. Look I despise the Patriots as much as anyone, but one thing they do right is personnel. Someone comes onboard that team and does not look good in practice, he is out the door and they find someone else. There is no "couple of years to develop". If they can't show that they are going to be an asset to the team, they are labled a liability and they hit the bricks. It is a great motivator for players to "bring it" every day.

Suisham has proven over the last 2 years in the league that he cannot be relied upon to make those high pressure field goals when the team needs it most.