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[quote=SmootSmack;417226]I don't see how Spags is the better option than Fassel for this team.

1. Fassel has experience not only as a head coach but as a head coach in NYC (well technically East Rutherford, but still), and he was successful

2. Fassel has experience developing young QBs, and he was successful

3. While Blache can help Spagnuolo out if he's hired, who will help Zorn out?[/quote]

I think it's a bit naive to think that Fassel is the answer for this team, and I never thought he was that great of a coach with the Giants. He also flopped miserably as the OC of the Ravens. Look, his greatest success with the Giants came with John Fox and Sean Payton on his staff which certainly helped make him look a lot better than he actually was.

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[QUOTE=Paintrain;417262]People are making a lot of assumptions that Cowher would want the Redskins job.. If the Panthers job is open next year, which it probably will be outside of a NFC Championship Game run, that's his first choice. Richardson can match Snyder $$ for $$ for a salary and it's closer to home.

Also, Cowher is a Scottenheimer disciple and a close personal friend of his. After seeing what Marty went thru while he was here what makes you think he'll be in a rush to be here.

Not to mention with Cerrato's new title, Cowher is only going somewhere with total control so Snyder would have to demote/fire Vinny. Do you see that happening?[/QUOTE]

Well, Snyder stood by while Schottenheimer fired Vinny back in '01. It's not like it's never happened. There's a small part of me that believes Snyder has basically said this is put up or shut up time for Vinny. Give him the appropriate titles, let him call (almost) all the shots, and if things don't turn around, Snyder has his scapegoat.

We all have a price. So does Cowher. Snyder has enough money to lure him here with or without complete control. There just aren't too many owners who are willing to get into a bidding war with Lil' Danny. If Danny wants him, Danny gets him unless Bill Cowher is absolutely repulsed by the idea of working for him.

Certainly it's not a foregone conclusion that this is where Cowher is headed. For the record, I'm not one of his biggest fans.

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[QUOTE=ncskinsfanec;417586]I think it's a bit naive to think that Fassel is the answer for this team, and I never thought he was that great of a coach with the Giants. [B]He also flopped miserably as the OC of the Ravens. [/B]Look, his greatest success with the Giants came with John Fox and Sean Payton on his staff which certainly helped make him look a lot better than he actually was.[/QUOTE]

The Ravens are cursed offensively. That happens to many offensive geniuses when they go to Baltimore. They've just never had the personnel.

Wasn't it Fassel who recognized the abilities of Fox and Peyton and hired them?

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[quote=Beemnseven;417593]The Ravens are cursed offensively. That happens to many offensive geniuses when they go to Baltimore. They've just never had the personnel.

Wasn't it Fassel who recognized the abilities of Fox and Peyton and hired them?[/quote]

If he's such an offensive genius he would have found a way to make it work. The personnel argument is just plain obligatory. I don't doubt that he probably had some excellent advice and a lot of good fortune when he decided to hire Fox and Payton I wouldn't say that he was soley responsible for those hires.

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Fassel has done plenty in his career as a position coach, coordinator, and head coach to prove himself.

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I think I want Spags because then maybe we would finally get some studs for the def line

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spags had one hellava game plan-the pats o is going down as one of the best in the history of the game, may be the best ever offnese if not #1 then #2 the 49er's o of the 80' was great like that lot of weapons, but spags completely shut down Brady and the patriots.

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[quote=SmootSmack;417603]Fassel has done plenty in his career as a position coach, coordinator, and head coach to prove himself.[/quote]

What, like blowing a 24 point lead to the 49ers in a playoff game, being a absolute dog as the Ravens OC, and getting blown out in Super Bowl 35? I'm tired of recycled coaches, and Fassel is not even close to the optimal choice if Synder is going to go down this tired road again.

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[QUOTE=ncskinsfanec;417617]What, like blowing a 24 point lead to the 49ers in a playoff game, being a absolute dog as the Ravens OC, and getting blown out in Super Bowl 35? I'm tired of recycled coaches, and Fassel is not even close to the optimal choice if Synder is going to go down this tired road again.[/QUOTE]

"Recycled" coaches have had some pretty good success (as I and other have noted earlier) their second time around.

As for the Super Bowl knock, when is the last time we were even in the Super Bowl?

People want to talk about getting crushed by the Ravens but what about what they did to get there? They hammered Daunte Culpepper, Cris Carter, Randy Moss and the rest of the high powered Vikings to the tune of 41-0 in the NFC Championship game.

As for what he's done as a QB coach,

([url=http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/oconnor/2003-09-20-oconnor_x.htm]Phil Simms[/url]): "The things I learned from Jim Fassel late in my career, if I could've known those things in college, I would've been setting records. As far as fundamentally teaching me how to play the position physically, Jim is the best I've ever been around. I took everything he taught me and used it."

([url=http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/release.jsp?release_id=1260]John Elway[/url])"I thought I was a pretty good quarterback when I got to Stanford. As things turned out, I had a lot to learn. Thankfully, Jim Fassel was there to teach me the techniques that got me to the NFL and carried me through 16 seasons. Little did I know that nearly 15 years later, we’d be reunited with the Broncos."

Fassel was the OC of the Broncos in 1993 where they had the 3rd ranked offense and John Elway threw for over 4,000 yards with 25 TDs and 10 INTs. The only time the HOF'er threw for more than 4,000 yards in a season in his career

His first year as head coach of the Giants he won a division title with Danny Kannel as his QB. Danny Kannel!

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;417630]

As for what he's done as a QB coach,

([url=http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/oconnor/2003-09-20-oconnor_x.htm]Phil Simms[/url]): "The things I learned from Jim Fassel late in my career, if I could've known those things in college, I would've been setting records. As far as fundamentally teaching me how to play the position physically, Jim is the best I've ever been around. I took everything he taught me and used it."

([url=http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/release.jsp?release_id=1260]John Elway[/url])"I thought I was a pretty good quarterback when I got to Stanford. As things turned out, I had a lot to learn. Thankfully, Jim Fassel was there to teach me the techniques that got me to the NFL and carried me through 16 seasons. Little did I know that nearly 15 years later, we’d be reunited with the Broncos."

Fassel was the OC of the Broncos in 1993 where they had the 3rd ranked offense and John Elway threw for over 4,000 yards with 25 TDs and 10 INTs. The only time the HOF'er threw for more than 4,000 yards in a season in his career

His first year as head coach of the Giants he won a division title with Danny Kannel as his QB. Danny Kannel![/QUOTE]

He better have developed two first round pick QB's one of them #1 overall pick (Elway). I'll give the Danny Kannel credit, but I still don't buy into his coaching resume. I pray that he's not our next HC, give me Mooch, Meeks or Spags!!

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Why are Meeks, Spags, and Mooch all better choices?

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;417633]Why are Meeks, Spags, and Mooch all better choices?[/QUOTE]

Mooch because of what I saw here in SF, plus he got screwed during ownership change. Meeks and Spags because they are hungry unproven coaches (fresh faces) and the unknown factor, both are solid coordinators with years experience. Kind of like when Gibbs was hired his first time. I hate to be biased but Fassel has coaching baggage, just my opinion.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;417634]Mooch because of what I saw here in SF, plus he got screwed during ownership change. Meeks and Spags because they are hungry unproven coaches (fresh faces) and the unknown factor, both are solid coordinators with years experience. Kind of like when Gibbs was hired his first time. I hate to be biased but Fassel has coaching baggage, just my opinion.[/QUOTE]

So basically what Fassel has proven is less impressive than what Meeks and Spags might one day possibly prove?

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;417640]So basically what Fassel has proven is less impressive than what Meeks and Spags might one day possibly prove?[/QUOTE]

That's the unknown, in my opinion that's the fun of it. Fassel has had coaching chances, it's these new guys turn. What have we got to lose that we haven't already by letting Saunders and Williams go?

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;417641]That's the unknown, in my opinion that's the fun of it. Fassel has had coaching chances, it's these new guys turn. What have we got to lose that we haven't already by letting Saunders and Williams go?[/QUOTE]

Fair point I suppose. But what about those who have had coaching chances and suceeded with their second head coaching opportunity? And if people were so adamant about giving Williams the head coaching job, why isn't he considered a "retread"