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[QUOTE=dmek25;467905]sometimes it seems like the G.O.P would rather bash their opponent, rather then discuss policy.[/QUOTE]

Problem with the Democrats right now is that they can't agree on who their opponent is

[url=http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/26/clinton.backers/index.html]Angry Clinton supporters toast McCain, roast Obama - CNN.com[/url]

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[quote=Buster;467921]I believe you have that backwards.

McCain has offered economic plans, energy plans that involve drilling and alternative forms of energy, a plan to complete the war in Iraq without suddenly surrendering, immigration ideas and many others.

Obama has preached about "change" and how he's "the chosen one". Please tell us what the change will be.[/quote]

So Buster after 22 nationally televised debates, countless interviews, two books authored by the candidate, a website with a litany of specific details on energy, the economy, healthcare, woman's reproductive health care rights, education and college tuition, benefits for our veterans, and yes, foreign policy. You mean to tell me that you don't have one iota of what Obama is talking about?

By the way, in terms of exiting Iraq, it looks like the time table is somewhere around 2011.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;468031]Sorry, guess I misunderstood the original post. Damn my Republican ignorance!!!

I thought this was about a worse President at any point, not just the next President.[/QUOTE]

Of course, if you put Bush in the class of Hoover, Buchanan and Harding - We're looking damn good for '08.

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[quote=dmek25;467998]i wonder how much fox news paid those nut jobs?[/quote]
Well I guess then CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC is paying for the nut jobs that show up at the Republican convention. I just wonder what all these nuts do when they are not protesting something.

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[quote=Miller101;467923]"I don't know uhhhh maybe a hundred years" - John McCain on when we'll complete the war in Iraq without "Surrending".

Great plan John![/quote]

Ha...listening to Obama's nonsense and misquotes I see. :D

His "100 years" was in reference to how long we'd have troop presence there. We still have troops stationed in Japan, Germany, Korean border, Central America everywhere we've fought from WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam...etc. Examining history, he's most likely right.

No one is picketing and demanding withdrawl from those places? Why not? Because President Bush wasn't in charge of those conflicts. Too many people, especially the anti-war crowd lets there blind and immature hatred for the President overshadow common sense, history and current events. If it is tied to President Bush, they automatically hate the idea.

Open a book and learn some history. Oh, and stay engaged with the current events.

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[quote=SmootSmack;468031]Sorry, guess I misunderstood the original post. Damn my Republican ignorance!!!

I thought this was about a worse President at any point, not just the next President.[/quote]
That's not Republican ingnorance your just too busy consentrating on the 4 G's the things that all Republicans hold so deer.

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[quote=Buster;468169]Ha...listening to Obama's nonsense and misquotes I see. :D

His "100 years" was in reference to how long we'd have troop presence there. We still have troops stationed in Japan, Germany, Korean border, Central America everywhere we've fought from WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam...etc. Examining history, he's most likely right.

No one is picketing and demanding withdrawl from those places? Why not? Because President Bush wasn't in charge of those conflicts. Too many people, especially the anti-war crowd lets there blind and immature hatred for the President overshadow common sense, history and current events. If it is tied to President Bush, they automatically hate the idea.

Open a book and learn some history. Oh, and stay engaged with the current events.[/quote]
I heard Obama was wondering why only 50 states had representatives at the convention and not all 57.

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[quote=firstdown;468175]I heard Obama was wondering why only 50 states had representatives at the convention and not all 57.[/quote]

Maybe that's the meat of his "Change" platform? He's going to lock down a few new states?

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[quote=12thMan;468043]So Buster after 22 nationally televised debates, countless interviews, two books authored by the candidate, a website with a litany of specific details on energy, the economy, healthcare, woman's reproductive health care rights, education and college tuition, benefits for our veterans, and yes, foreign policy. You mean to tell me that you don't have one iota of what Obama is talking about?

By the way, in terms of exiting Iraq, it looks like the time table is somewhere around 2011.[/quote]

He consistently changes his positions on a weekly basis...so no. Most people do not know what he stands for (currently).

The majority of his short time in the Senate consisted of voting "present" so he wouldn't have to take a stand.

His "glorious" speeches are like sermons, speaking in platitudes of "hope" and "change".

He refused to debate Clinton late in the primaries and is limiting his debates with McCain to only 3. Why? Probably because he's a horrible speaker without a teleprompter. He's a talented speech reader, but stutters and rambles until an idea arises in debates and interviews.

[B]Barack Obama's policy switches are giving the Left whiplash[/B]

[B]The Democratic nominee's policy pivots are causing anguish among liberals. He is no fool -
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[URL="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/gerard_baker/article4264994.ece"]Barack Obama's policy switches are giving the Left whiplash | Gerard Baker - Times Online[/URL]

An example of one of his many lies:

[URL="http://www.townhall.com/Common/PrintPage.aspx?g=a3258696-9a3a-457e-bd61-dacaa59a4c7b&t=c"]Townhall.com - Printer Friendly[/URL]

[quote]Sen. Barack Obama is reaching out to new sources, including Washington insiders whose influence he has vowed to end. Obama is now using lists of contributors to Democratic congressional chairmen, primarily lobbyists of both parties.
[/quote]From Obama's own website: [URL="http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ethics/"]Barack Obama | Change We Can Believe In | Ethics[/URL]
[quote]A High Standard: Unlike other candidates Obama's campaign refuses to accept contributions from Washington lobbyists and political action committees.[/quote]

Speaking of his website, it was reported before some debates that he removed and/or changed many issues that may have caused criticism.

He's not a revolutionary candidate. He's more of the same, possibly a worse than usual politician.

Bonus: for everyone who claims that Republicans are "in the pocket of 'Big Oil'" -
[B][URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/07/report_exxon_execs_gave_more_t.html"]Report: Exxon Execs Gave More to Obama | The Trail | washingtonpost.com[/URL]
[/B]

Another VERY interesting and alarming read:

[B][url=http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_donor_contributions_sil.html]American Thinker: Obama's Foreign Donors: The media averts its eyes[/url][/B]

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[quote=Hog1;468183]Maybe that's the meat of his "Change" platform? He's going to lock down a few new states?[/quote]

Being the socialist he is, he's probably planning on splitting up some of the larger states like Texas so that land is distributed more evenly! :D

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[quote=Buster;468185]He consistently changes his positions on a weekly basis...so no. Most people do not know what he stands for (currently).

The majority of his short time in the Senate consisted of voting "present" so he wouldn't have to take a stand.

His "glorious" speeches are like sermons, speaking in platitudes of "hope" and "change".

He refused to debate Clinton late in the primaries and is limiting his debates with McCain to only 3. Why? Probably because he's a horrible speaker without a teleprompter. He's a talented speech reader, but stutters and rambles until an idea arises in debates and interviews.

[B]Barack Obama's policy switches are giving the Left whiplash[/B]

[B]The Democratic nominee's policy pivots are causing anguish among liberals. He is no fool - [/B]

[URL="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/gerard_baker/article4264994.ece"]Barack Obama's policy switches are giving the Left whiplash | Gerard Baker - Times Online[/URL]

An example of one of his many lies:

[URL="http://www.townhall.com/Common/PrintPage.aspx?g=a3258696-9a3a-457e-bd61-dacaa59a4c7b&t=c"]Townhall.com - Printer Friendly[/URL]

From Obama's own website: [URL="http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ethics/"]Barack Obama | Change We Can Believe In | Ethics[/URL]

Speaking of his website, it was reported before some debates that he removed and/or changed many issues that may have caused criticism.

He's not a revolutionary candidate. He's more of the same, possibly a worse than usual politician.

Bonus: for everyone who claims that Republicans are "in the pocket of 'Big Oil'" -
[B][URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/07/report_exxon_execs_gave_more_t.html"]Report: Exxon Execs Gave More to Obama | The Trail | washingtonpost.com[/URL][/B]

Another VERY interesting and alarming read:

[B][URL="http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_donor_contributions_sil.html"]American Thinker: Obama's Foreign Donors: The media averts its eyes[/URL][/B][/quote]

Those are good talking points, but if Obama has indeed changed positions weekly, give me two. FISA, yes, he switched his positions. And I won't get into the nuance of the bill because it's very complicated. But for the sake of argument, yes, he switched on FISA. That's the position that gave the Left pause, if any at all.

In terms of the war in Iraq, both the current Administration and the Iraqi government are most definitely leaning toward Obama's withdrawal timeline, which he proposed from the very start of this election and has maintained throughout. So no switch there. No flip and certainly no flop. He cited sixteen months at the start and his rhetoric has changed one iota. Now, if he get's in office and things warrant staying longer, should he hold fast to sixteen months for the saking of keeping his word, that would be foolish and a display of poor leadership. But based on the current conditions, as Obama sees them, sixteen months is probably a good starting place to begin to draw down.

Voting present in the Illinois Senate is not simply "present" or ducking responsibilty as some would imply. This is funny how it came up during the Primary, but no one cared to investigate what present actually means in the Senate. The Illinois Senate operates quite differently than most state legislations in the United States.
[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/opinion/16mikva.html"][COLOR=#800080]www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/opinion/16mikva.html[/COLOR][/URL]

Speaking of missing votes, did you know that John McCain has missed more votes this year than any member in the U.S. Senate?

Obama's speeches, take it or leave it. Personally I don't think people being inspired for change and hoping for a new direction in our country is a bad thing. Especially when over 80% of Americans think we're on the wrong track. What, should we feel the opposite way? But I get what you're saying, you can do without the all the hype. Or stylistically, you're not feeling Barack. I can respect that.

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Was Barack at your home last night, Buster. Nice TV. Clinton gave a great speech, by the way.

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two flip flops?

FISA, public financing.

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