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[QUOTE=The Goat;528991]Nice find sir. I wonder if his knack for missing blocks could be coached up, or rather coached out of him, under Joe's tutelage?

... i guess what i'm thinking here is a guy like Willis could come in and start right away and probably be an upgrade over Jansen/Heyer. We could be in better position then to trade down in the draft and get your fav center/guard and an OLB.

[B]BTW it looks less and less likely the Curry "miracle" will happen for us 53.[/[/B]QUOTE]

It sure is fun to dream though. :)

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[quote=53Fan;528993][QUOTE=The Goat;528991]Nice find sir. I wonder if his knack for missing blocks could be coached up, or rather coached out of him, under Joe's tutelage?

... i guess what i'm thinking here is a guy like Willis could come in and start right away and probably be an upgrade over Jansen/Heyer. We could be in better position then to trade down in the draft and get your fav center/guard and an OLB.

[B]BTW it looks less and less likely the Curry "miracle" will happen for us 53.[/[/B]QUOTE]

It sure is fun to dream though. :)[/quote]

U could even call it a fantasy LOL

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brown (ravens C) or stacy andrews (OG) would help too...

FA some decent OL starters and nugent, draft DL.

I mean we could use TJ too, but he's 31, probably wants a bunch of money, and we already have a lot invested in WRs (without much return).

I like rocky bernard at DT, and like every year there's a ton of depth LBs out there for cheap. I rather get foxworth for cheap or dunta for money at CB then waste a lot on getting hall back here.

again, that leaves DL as our weakest position after possible FA signings and current roster consideration. taylor and daniels are ancient, we've got one backup DE and a DT position without a real #1 DT (griff's stud days are gone). The only real FA that's attainable for the skins in bernard (and he's 30 too).

so i'd look for safe DE picks, and we're in the right range to get one... I wouldn't rule out a DT though, as 1st round graded DTs tend to be one of the safest picks a team can make (as far as bust %).

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I was listening to Orakpo talk about who he talked to and he said that he talked to the skins, and they asked him if he could SLB which he says he can do, but then again when millions of dollars are on the line you'll say anything

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Just saw on NFL Live that Ray Maluauga pulled his hammy and ran a terrible 40 (4.82 i think) and is expected to drop into the latter half of the 1st round. I think there's a nice opportunity to trade down and still pick up a monster LB or maybe OL in the 1st and get another pick.

Here's my question to the draft masters... [B]what is the approximate value of our 13th. For instance, if we trade picks w/ Detroit at 20 or Philly (21st or 28th) can we hope to get their 2nd round pick as well or is their 3rd round the best we'll do. Also what if we threw in our last pick of the draft?[/B]

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[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670]NFL draft-pick value chart - NFL - ESPN[/url]

1st and 2nd if its pick 20-24ish in both rounds. that chart is a guide though, not concrete.

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[quote=SmootSmack;522172]Suppose we made absolutely no moves prior to draft day, no free-agent signings (other than maybe some camp bodies), and no trades for more draft picks this year.

If we assume the above, that leaves us with a 1st, 3th, 5th, and 6th round pick.

So with all that in mind, give me your mock draft as of today(this is who you would want the Skins to use their picks on)

I'll start (I wanted to get Connor Barwin in here, but just couldn't find a spot for him)

1st-OT: Best Available and that probably means Michael Oher at this point, but I'm becoming a big Eben Britton fan and I'd be tempted to take him

3rd-C: Antoine Caldwell (looking more unlikely he'll be around, but someone like Luigs could fall down there)

5th-DE/LB: Lawrence Sidbury (out of Richmond, could be a steal)

6th-um....some running back[/quote]

1-Orakpo
3-BA Center/Tackle that can also play guard
5-BA Guard/Tackle
6- LBs Jasper Brinkley, Moises Fouku
FA/Comp 7th- C Dallas Reynolds

Dude, good heads up on the Barwin kid he put up beast numners at the combine

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orakpo have a great combine too... i mean, it would have been better if he ran a 4.5 ;) but then he'd be the #1 overall pick. he did as well as you possibly can with the numbers outside of being a true freak (mario williams, vernon, etc).

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To me Portis got a lot of mileage on him, and he been in a lot of head on collisions. Even though he's tough as nails, we need a brand new muscle car! We need to draft a outstanding playmaker to compliment him in the back field. Betts is not that dude! If Portis aint playing we are getting it handed to us all last season. We need a mustang back there with our thoroughbred. Betts and Rock aint getting it done. There are 3 excellent playmaking backs in this draft we need one of them. The OL and DL can wait to the later rounds. I watch more college football than I do pro(except for the redskins). Those OL and DL in this draft are not that impressive. Majority take a lot of plays off and are overweight and lazy. Not your prototype Joe Gibbs, tough redskins players.

My point being we need to score more point with playmakers on offense, we need speed and durability i.e. percy harvin, Beanie Wells, Moreno. They are young monsters, playmakers, with speed. To me Harvin or Moreno would be the best fit because they are just like portis. We would not lose a step with them learning from and backing up portis in our style of play. Then portis could be the finisher in the redzone. Its all about scoring points in the NFL and running the ball. No 1st round OL or DL gonna do that! I rest my case for now. Hail to the Redskins!!!

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[quote=KingRaloIV;530079]To me Portis got a lot of mileage on him, and he been in a lot of head on collisions. Even though he's tough as nails, we need a brand new muscle car! We need to draft a outstanding playmaker to compliment him in the back field. Betts is not that dude! If Portis aint playing we are getting it handed to us all last season. We need a mustang back there with our thoroughbred. Betts and Rock aint getting it done. There are 3 excellent playmaking backs in this draft we need one of them. The OL and DL can wait to the later rounds. I watch more college football than I do pro(except for the redskins). Those OL and DL in this draft are not that impressive. Majority take a lot of plays off and are overweight and lazy. Not your prototype Joe Gibbs, tough redskins players.

My point being we need to score more point with playmakers on offense, [B]we need speed and durability i.e. percy harvin, Beanie Wells, Moreno[/B]. They are young monsters, playmakers, with speed. To me Harvin or Moreno would be the best fit because they are just like portis. We would not lose a step with them learning from and backing up portis in our style of play. Then portis could be the finisher in the redzone. Its all about scoring points in the NFL and running the ball. No 1st round OL or DL gonna do that! I rest my case for now. Hail to the Redskins!!![/quote]

Kinda hard to run when you don't have an offensive line. No thanks. Pass.

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[quote=That Guy;529162]brown (ravens C)[/quote]




Jason Brown is the only free agent i would go after.
I don't see how a Tackle will help when the interior line was the bigger issue.
I want the Redskins to get out building through the free agency.
I thought that Vinnie was going to build through the draft and do it right this time.
You know, stay away from making several big money salary cap unfriendly free agent moves.

Its a viscous circle.

Synder has been impatient with HCs.
Before Gibbs, Synder didn't allow any HC to establish or create a Redskins identity a 'system' if you will.
Synder meddles in the player personnell dept. making it hard for the coach to get the players he wants.
Skins fall for the quick fix through free agency and get hamstrung with horrible contracts and players that don't fit the system/scheme.

The coach gets fired, the whole thing starts over.
If we would just stick with a coach and stick with a system we would have more success.

Now we have a budding system in place and coaches gaining knowledge and continuity within that system. Maybe its time to let the coaches develop players instead of chasing players that were developed by other teams for different systems?

Living off of free agency imo is tacitly admitting that we can't develop procure and develop talent.
I thought that this was over, i hope Vinnie/Synder can control themselves during this upcoming free agnecy.

THAT GUY- this post isn't directed at you, just how crazy things get before free agency,
i'm hoping its much ado about nothing

:food-smil

1st Round- Orakpo trade down Cushing/Mauluaga/Barwin
3rd Round- Mack/Luigis BA Center (that can play guard until..)
5th Round- Jasper Brinkley LB
6th Round- Moises Fouku OLB

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[quote=30gut;530333]Jason Brown is the only free agent i would go after.
[B]I don't see how a Tackle will help when the interior line was the bigger issue.[/B]
I want the Redskins to get out building through the free agency.
I thought that Vinnie was going to build through the draft and do it right this time.
You know, stay away from making several big money salary cap unfriendly free agent moves.[/quote]

Don't you remember rushers like Tuck, Harrison, Suggs, and Ware coming from the outside and getting to Campbell? I don't think you can easily dismiss the need to improve at tackle.

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[quote=Ruhskins;530361]Don't you remember rushers like Tuck, Harrison, Suggs, and Ware coming from the outside and getting to Campbell? I don't think you can easily dismiss the need to improve at tackle.[/quote]

Yeah, premiere edge rushers are occasionally gonna beat even the best OL and most of those pressure/sacks you refer to were on Jansen and an injured Samuels and a couple were on Geisinger playing out of positoin at OT.
I think the improvement will come with a healthy Samuels and the continued progress of Heyer. I thought Heyer was good in pass pro when he was in the line-up, and Buges has spoken highly of him.

The right side interior line (Rabach and Thomas) were healthy enough to play yet still struggled.
It bothered me when JC was getting pressure up the middle on a 3 step drop. I just wonder how Rabach or Thomas are gonna be able to block the likes of a Ratliff w/o a double team if they couldn't do it last year?

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Watching Kiper and McShay go back and forth is classic. And then hearing Scott Van Pelt follow it up with his Kiper impression is even better. It just happened on the 11:00pm SportsCenter. Good stuff.

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[quote=GMScud;530645]Watching Kiper and McShay go back and forth is classic. And then hearing Scott Van Pelt follow it up with his Kiper impression is even better. It just happened on the 11:00pm SportsCenter. Good stuff.[/quote]

Oh man, I missed that.