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[quote=SmootSmack;790441]My latest mock

1. Panthers-Gabbert
2. Broncos-Marcell Darreus
3. Bills-Newton
4. **trade** Patriots-Von Miller (Pats trading for Julio Jones has also been rumored)
5. Cardinals-Patrick Peterson
6. Browns-AJ Green
7. Eagles-Amukamara
8. Bills-Fairley
9. Cowboys-Tyron Smith
10. Redskins-Quinn
11. Texans-Cam Jordan
12. Vikings-Ponder (in a huge surprise)
13. Lions-Costanzo
14. Rams-Julio Jones
15. Dolphins-Mark Ingram
16. Jaguars-Bowers
17. Bengals-Mallett
18. **trade** Redskins-Locker[/quote]

Smoot...Have you heard anything new linking them to Locker or a trade up for a QB or is this just a guess?

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Um...it's mainly a guess based on other current rumors. If that makes sense

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I saw the article about the Chargers trading back, but that doesn't really make sense to me. Seems more likely that they would trade up, considering it's a team that has one of the best offenses and defenses in the league last year. And has an extra 2nd round pick. And did the same thing last year (traded from 28 to 12). The Chargers need both a 3-4 LB and a 3-4 DE, so if they fall in love with either Cameron Jordan or Robert Quinn, or even a WR considering both Floyd and Jackson aren't signed long term.

Also, if there's a new rookie salary structure, I think that would make the current NFL Draft Value chart skewed in a way that the top picks should now have more value. But teams (particularly those with less...demonstrated aptitude) will still be looking to trade down, probably at last year's chart. meaning smart teams like SD, NE, Philly, are all going to be looking to game the system by moving up into higher picks that, for this year at least, will be improperly undervalued by the teams that hold them.

Wonder which team the Redskins will be...

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[quote=Masshole;790495]I saw the article about the Chargers trading back, but that doesn't really make sense to me. Seems more likely that they would trade up, considering it's a team that has one of the best offenses and defenses in the league last year. And has an extra 2nd round pick. And did the same thing last year (traded from 28 to 12). The Chargers need both a 3-4 LB and a 3-4 DE, so if they fall in love with either Cameron Jordan or Robert Quinn, or even a WR considering both Floyd and Jackson aren't signed long term.

Also, if there's a new rookie salary structure, I think that would make the current NFL Draft Value chart skewed in a way that the top picks should now have more value. But teams (particularly those with less...demonstrated aptitude) will still be looking to trade down, probably at last year's chart. meaning smart teams like SD, NE, Philly, are all going to be looking to game the system by moving up into higher picks that, for this year at least, will be improperly undervalued by the teams that hold them.

Wonder which team the Redskins will be...[/quote]

There was an article about the Chargers trading back?

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[quote=Masshole;790495]I saw the article about the Chargers trading back, but that doesn't really make sense to me. Seems more likely that they would trade up, considering it's a team that has one of the best offenses and defenses in the league last year. And has an extra 2nd round pick. And did the same thing last year (traded from 28 to 12). The Chargers need both a 3-4 LB and a 3-4 DE, so if they fall in love with either Cameron Jordan or Robert Quinn, or even a WR considering both Floyd and Jackson aren't signed long term.

Also, if there's a new rookie salary structure, I think that would make the current NFL Draft Value chart skewed in a way that the top picks should now have more value. But teams (particularly those with less...demonstrated aptitude) will still be looking to trade down, probably at last year's chart. meaning smart teams like SD, NE, Philly, are all going to be looking to game the system by moving up into higher picks that, for this year at least, will be improperly undervalued by the teams that hold them.

Wonder which team the Redskins will be...[/quote]

so I gather you're saying that the top picks will cost less due to a rookie salary cap of sorts, and based on that teams that usually trade back to acquire picks, will instead look to move up to nab top picks?

That could be the case, or maybe a better way of putting is that such a rookie wage scale might entice teams like NE to move up whereas before they deemed it too expensive.

If that's the case, it would be good for us, simply because we need early round picks, regardless of how much they're paid. If NE gave up its 17 & 28 for our 10 & a late round pick, I'd be ecstatic. Trading in either direction can be beneficial, as long as you don't get screwed. Thankfully, Allen has been very good at dealmaking, the McNabb trade might be the only exception.

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[quote=freddyg12;790515]so I gather you're saying that the top picks will cost less due to a rookie salary cap of sorts, and based on that teams that usually trade back to acquire picks, will instead look to move up to nab top picks?

That could be the case, or maybe a better way of putting is that such a rookie wage scale might entice teams like NE to move up whereas before they deemed it too expensive.

If that's the case, it would be good for us, simply because we need early round picks, regardless of how much they're paid. If NE gave up its 17 & 28 for our 10 & a late round pick, I'd be ecstatic. Trading in either direction can be beneficial, as long as you don't get screwed. Thankfully, Allen has been very good at dealmaking, the McNabb trade might be the only exception.[/quote]

You take a gamble with older veterans. You win some you lose some. Hindsight is 20-20. It's easy to criticize now that it didn't work out. I think we will do well in the draft this year. Much better with Allen and Shanny than with anyone else we've had in recent memory.

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[quote=freddyg12;790515]so I gather you're saying that the top picks will cost less due to a rookie salary cap of sorts, and based on that teams that usually trade back to acquire picks, will instead look to move up to nab top picks?

That could be the case, or maybe a better way of putting is that such a rookie wage scale might entice teams like NE to move up whereas before they deemed it too expensive.

If that's the case, it would be good for us, simply because we need early round picks, regardless of how much they're paid. If NE gave up its 17 & 28 for our 10 & a late round pick, I'd be ecstatic. Trading in either direction can be beneficial, as long as you don't get screwed. Thankfully, Allen has been very good at dealmaking, the McNabb trade might be the only exception.[/quote]
Allen doesn't do the dealmaking. He is an overtitled salary cap manager. Imo, the dealmaking we did last year wasn't good. Carriker was probably worth a 6th rounder, so we saved that, McNabb was worth probably about a 6th rounder (rex grossman beat him out for the starting job), and Brown was worth about a 5th rounder (split time with Heyer, and when he played he really was only serviceable). so we lost a 2nd, a 3rd and a 4th but saved a 5th, a 5th, and a 6th? Thats dogshit. I really don't want to hear that either McNabb or Brown was worth more. Tell me that again next year when neither of them are on the team. I was being by giving a 5th for either.

edit: worst of all, the McNabb deal was given the the mofoing eagles. Nate Allen and whoever else will haunt us for the next ten years.

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[quote=SkinzWin;790519]You take a gamble with older veterans. You win some you lose some. Hindsight is 20-20. It's easy to criticize now that it didn't work out. I think we will do well in the draft this year. Much better with Allen and Shanny than with anyone else we've had in recent memory.[/quote]

It's their job to get it right and not screw it up. There really wasn't much upside to the McNabb deal. You don't make blockbuster trades for a single 33 year old when your team is 15 pieces away from being good. Even if there was upside and it just didn't pan out it was still a horrible deal. Screw hindsight. You don't put your team in a hole like that, that's your job. You don't see Bill Bellicheck/Ted Thompson making blockbuster misses.

Jamaal Brown was probably a good trade at the time, but that didn't work out. There was upside, just didn't pan out.

Carriker was a very good trade for us.

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[quote=skinster;790564]It's their job to get it right and not screw it up. There really wasn't much upside to the McNabb deal. You don't make blockbuster trades for a single 33 year old when your team is 15 pieces away from being good. Even if there was upside and it just didn't pan out it was still a horrible deal. Screw hindsight. You don't put your team in a hole like that, that's your job. You don't see Bill Bellicheck/Ted Thompson making blockbuster misses.

[B]Jamaal Brown was probably a good trade at the time, but that didn't work out.[/B] There was upside, just didn't pan out.

Carriker was a very good trade for us.[/quote]

Brown still might work out. He was still recovering from injuries last year.

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[quote=skinster;790563][B]Allen doesn't do the dealmaking. He is an overtitled salary cap manager.[/B] Imo, the dealmaking we did last year wasn't good. Carriker was probably worth a 6th rounder, so we saved that, McNabb was worth probably about a 6th rounder (rex grossman beat him out for the starting job), and Brown was worth about a 5th rounder (split time with Heyer, and when he played he really was only serviceable). so we lost a 2nd, a 3rd and a 4th but saved a 5th, a 5th, and a 6th? Thats dogshit. I really don't want to hear that either McNabb or Brown was worth more. Tell me that again next year when neither of them are on the team. I was being by giving a 5th for either.

edit: worst of all, the McNabb deal was given the the mofoing eagles. Nate Allen and whoever else will haunt us for the next ten years.[/quote]

I've been under the impression that he does, once Shanny decides who he wants from the personnel side.

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Allen is definitely involved in the "deal making".

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[quote=skinster;790564]It's their job to get it right and not screw it up. There really wasn't much upside to the McNabb deal. You don't make blockbuster trades for a single 33 year old when your team is 15 pieces away from being good. Even if there was upside and it just didn't pan out it was still a horrible deal. Screw hindsight. You don't put your team in a hole like that, that's your job. You don't see Bill Bellicheck/Ted Thompson making blockbuster misses.

Jamaal Brown was probably a good trade at the time, but that didn't work out. There was upside, just didn't pan out.

Carriker was a very good trade for us.[/quote]

Belicheck has also been with the organization and has a stable gameplan and framework which works well for the franchise. Shanny and Allen haven't been afforded that length of time to get to know the personnel that well and get an established system in place. You are comparing apples to rice-a-roni. Not even apples to oranges. Rice-a-roni.

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Even the best, Newsome, Beathard, Belichick, make bad personnel decisions

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[quote=skinster;790564]It's their job to get it right and not screw it up. There really wasn't much upside to the McNabb deal. You don't make blockbuster trades for a [B]single 33 year old[/B] when your team is 15 pieces away from being good. Even if there was upside and it just didn't pan out it was still a horrible deal. Screw hindsight. You don't put your team in a hole like that, that's your job. You don't see Bill Bellicheck/Ted Thompson making blockbuster misses.

Jamaal Brown was probably a good trade at the time, but that didn't work out. There was upside, just didn't pan out.

Carriker was a very good trade for us.[/quote]

?? Cmon. I don't think if he was married he would of played any better.

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:lol: It certainly couldn't make him play any worse.