Re: Smoot lays the smack down (Skins/Bills) - mattyk edition
 

[quote=hooskins;854028]Sure it is. And they are not doing their part.

[B]But the buck stops with the FO and coaching. [/B]Just like in any other organization or company. The culture at the Skins right now is not a professional one nor is it a winning one.[/quote]

I'm a supporter of Shanahan -- still. Even now when things are pretty low. I think he needs minimum three offseasons before we can start making permanent judgements about his final product. That said, I'm certain that I, and other defenders of Shanny will have our work cut out for us if the team doesn't match last year's win total.

Things are bad, no doubt. But if some of us had our way, and we were ready to boot the FO and the coaches after one and a half seasons because the team has hit a rough patch, then this franchise is doomed for all time.

Re: Smoot lays the smack down (Skins/Bills) - mattyk edition
 

[quote=CultBrennan59;853831]The bills had 6 sacks total this year. They had 6 in the game (maybe more)...that says enough right there. Beck is NOT our future QB. Defense, played awful in the run game, which is what their known for is being good at stopping the run...not today![/quote]

we knew he wasn't our future when we signed him though. I just don't understand why so anxious to see the upside of a 30 year old that's been passed over 2 or 3 times by QB hungry teams and couldn't find a way onto the field.

not that this loss was his fault, but he sure didn't help.

It's just such a boring product. ESPN doesn't ever talk about us. Even when we get crushed, they don't even give us the respect of ripping us. Because we've been boring for 10 years. They just spent 30 minutes talking about a losing qb who was projected to be bad, on a bad team, that got crushed. How's that a compelling story? But it is. Tebow sucking is more exciting than the decline of our great franchise. Please let us be good by the time my unborn kids are old enough to care.

Re: Smoot lays the smack down (Skins/Bills) - mattyk edition
 

[quote=hooskins;854028]Sure it is. And they are not doing their part.

But the buck stops with the FO and coaching. Just like in any other organization or company. [B]The culture at the Skins right now is not a professional one [/B]nor is it a winning one.[/quote]

I strongly disagree with your contention that the Redskins culture is not professional. I've seen no indication at all of an unprofessional culture under MS and BA. Quite the contrary, IMO.

Also, the rebuild of this team will take years. I said before the season started that I would be very satisfied with an 8-8 record this season. I still feel that way.

This past offseason, free agency was devoted to acquiring some needed pieces - primarily for the defense. The focus wasn't on stars or big names but on good, solid players. We also made two trades that helped us some on offense.

In the draft, we acquired two players who could become stars in the first two rounds. We also added some players who could turn out to be pretty good in time.

In short, we had a good offseason. There was no possible way that the Skins could overcome many years of incompetent player acquisition in just one year.

I think we need two more good FA periods, two more good drafts and some luck before we can hope to be contenders. I say we need some luck because we are going to have to land a franchise QB, and a true #1 WR, at a minimum, among those new players to get where we need to be. We need some stars on offense.

I think it is important to stay the course with Shanny and Bruce. I really can't see where they've gone wrong, so far.

Re: Smoot lays the smack down (Skins/Bills) - mattyk edition
 

[quote=skinsfan69;853891]Yeah but who's going to be in charge of picking the QB? Cause right now, I simply don't trust the Shanahan's when it comes to picking a qb.[/quote]

The problem is OL depth. That was never fully addressed in the offseason.

Re: Smoot lays the smack down (Skins/Bills) - mattyk edition
 

Shanahan better have a great press conference. His approval rating is at an all-time low.

Re: Smoot lays the smack down (Skins/Bills) - mattyk edition
 

This team sucks plain and simple they are boring as **** with no playmakers, id rather go 3-13 with a good offense (Carolina) then 5-11 with our team YUCK

Re: Smoot lays the smack down (Skins/Bills) - mattyk edition
 

[quote=Mattyk;853812]Good evening, SS has the night off.

Wow, what really needs to be said here?

I'm smacking down the entire team and organization. Just a piss poor performance all around.

We could seriously be looking at a top 10 pick in April. Unbelievable.[/quote]


I love it. Short and sweet. Lol.

Re: Smoot lays the smack down (Skins/Bills) - mattyk edition
 

[quote=Beemnseven;854042]I'm a supporter of Shanahan -- still. Even now when things are pretty low. I think he needs minimum three offseasons before we can start making permanent judgements about his final product. That said, I'm certain that I, and other defenders of Shanny will have our work cut out for us if the team doesn't match last year's win total.

Things are bad, no doubt. But if some of us had our way, and we were ready to boot the FO and the coaches after one and a half seasons because the team has hit a rough patch, then this franchise is doomed for all time.[/quote]

I'm not ready to boot the group and start over just yet. I'm so tired of the "it's not working lets start over" after every two years. I'd still give MS his 5 years. Honestly no HC was going to fix this ship wreck over night. The team looks better. But MS needs more of his type of players to include a more accurate QB.

Re: Smoot lays the smack down (Skins/Bills) - mattyk edition
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;854052]I strongly disagree with your contention that the Redskins culture is not professional. [B]I've seen no indication at all of an unprofessional culture under MS and BA.[/B] Quite the contrary, IMO.[/quote]

Well, they were unprofessional yesterday, but you're correct. One shutout doesn't represent the whole of your operation. Now, if the shutouts keep coming then we seriously have a problem.

[quote=KI Skins Fan]I think it is important to stay the course with Shanny and Bruce. I really can't see where they've gone wrong, so far.[/quote]

They've made some wrong decisions to be sure. McNabb was the biggest, and that set us back quite a bit. No excuses for that one. And if you see other teams stepping up and turning the corner quicker than we are, people are justified in asking "what about us -- why don't we have some playmakers in year two of this program?"

But yes, we have to stick it out with Allen and Shanny. You can't possibly have a situation where Vinny Cerrato gets a pass and hangs around for 10 years but these guys are 2 seasons and out. That's just crazy talk.

Re: Smoot lays the smack down (Skins/Bills) - mattyk edition
 

Beck sucks, lets get the obvious out of the way. The offensive line didn't help him much today, but man he was just horrible yesterday. Holding on to the ball too long, missing open receivers, badly over throwing receivers on deep balls, throwing into bad coverages. With that being said, I have been a supporter of keeping Rex as the starter since this whole John Beck thing started. You dont bench your starting QB when you are 3-2, or even halfway through a game when your 3-1. It just sends the wrong message to your team that the winning record isn't what it is. Yes the offense struggled, but the last two weeks it seems as though the defense is really pressing and inturn giving up a lot of big plays. I think it sent a message to the entire team, and not a good one. The D gave up yards to and points to philly, but really shut them down the 2nd half. When Beck was named starter, we can't stop anyone. What ever the reason it seems to have had a negative impact on the D.

Now, how do you go back to Rex?? Or i guess in Mikes case, you dont unless you say that Beck has some sort of injury or is out of shape, or lazy, or refuses to wear a wrist band. I am sure he can come up with something.

Re: Smoot lays the smack down (Skins/Bills) - mattyk edition
 

[quote=SBXVII;854064]I'm not ready to boot the group and start over just yet. I'm so tired of the "it's not working lets start over" after every two years. I'd still give MS his 5 years. Honestly no HC was going to fix this ship wreck over night. The team looks better. But MS needs more of his type of players to include a more accurate QB.[/quote]

Exactly right. It'll become more clear as the season goes on, (if it's not clear already) that this roster was more horrific than any of us ever imagined. He might need every bit of 5 years to right this ship, and I hope he has that long with Lil' Danny.

Re: Smoot lays the smack down (Skins/Bills) - mattyk edition
 

[quote=Beemnseven;854068]Exactly right. It'll become more clear as the season goes on, (if it's not clear already) that this roster was more horrific than any of us ever imagined. He might need every bit of 5 years to right this ship, and I hope he has that long with Lil' Danny.[/quote]

This ship has been sinking for over a decade now so he is going to need at least 5 years to right this ship.

Re: Smoot lays the smack down (Skins/Bills) - mattyk edition
 

[quote=Mattyk;853812]Good evening, SS has the night off.

Wow, what really needs to be said here?

I'm smacking down the entire team and organization. Just a piss poor performance all around.

We could [B][U]seriously be looking at a top 10 pick in April[/U][/B]. Unbelievable.[/quote]

And the last 3 games didnt tell you that. Great breakdown. Congrats Redskins you gave the faithfull 2 weeks this year to get their hopes up, you gave us 1 last year, next year maybe 3. Keep rebuilding things are looking great Playoffs by 2020!! BTW thanks for showing of Canadian friends up north what a crappy organization looks like, im sure we'll get the Europe game next year, so you can show the world "This is how you dont do it" !!!!!!!

Re: Smoot lays the smack down (Skins/Bills) - mattyk edition
 

[quote=diehard;854058]The problem is OL depth. That was never fully addressed in the offseason.[/quote]

Absolutely correct. Some quality players on the O-Line would even help the defense stay off the field by keeping the offense on the field. In hindsight Christian Ponder would have been a great pick if we could have pulled that off but Ryan Kerrigan was a fantastic pick.

After years of wasting picks this is the position we put ourselves in. I think it's going to take at least 2 more drafts just like the one we had and maybe 3 including heavy free agency participation to get where we can compete for the title.