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[quote=SmootSmack;1092215]Didn't I mention this before the Seahawks game? Maybe I only told the other mods. Yes, know this from very very very reliable sources who have known Jay Gruden for a looooooonggggggg time. He thought RG3 was not ready for week 1 and wanted to start Cousins against Houston[/quote]

yeah i dont remember this, but that kinda sux as a rookie HC to already being over ruled by Snyder. I worry about this dynamic, you got to let the HC make the decision on who to play....no matter who it is.

Thanks for the info

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Wasn't Gruden brought here specifically to develop Griffin? I don't really have a problem with someone above him twisting his arm a bit and saying hey, if he's ready you better get him back in there. Don't kid yourself and think this sort of pressure on a HC is a rare thing in the NFL.

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[quote=Mattyk;1092219]Wasn't Gruden brought here specifically to develop Griffin? I don't really have a problem with someone above him twisting his arm a bit and saying hey, if he's ready you better get him back in there. Don't kid yourself and think this sort of pressure on a HC is a rare thing in the NFL.[/quote]

Like button.

And this isn't a Jay Gruden doesn't like RG3 situation. Long term he thinks/knows RG3 is the team's best QB. He just felt at the beginning of the year, after seeing him over the summer, something was quite right and he wasn't ready so he wanted to start with Cousins.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1092215]Didn't I mention this before the Seahawks game? Maybe I only told the other mods. Yes, know this from very very very reliable sources who have [B]known Jay Gruden for a looooooonggggggg time.[/B] He thought RG3 was not ready for week 1 and wanted to start Cousins against Houston[/quote]

ive known my older brother almost my entire life .....

smoot, thank you for your insight. in this particular case I wish the message was on a more positive note . . . but if what you have been told is true ... unless RG3 plays well, we are screwed as a franchise and gruden experiment is already doomed.

hope RG3 plays well and makes this a non-issue.

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[quote=WillH;1092216]Not trying to be contentious, but who is saying that?[/quote]

media people that claim to be fans
fans on facebook/twitter/internet in general/radio

i've seen a few people here say that they'd prefer he come back after the bye, but they don't specifically come out and say that they prefer that even if griffin is ready.

believe it or not there's a lot of people that don't like griffin, or have no faith in him. they may not admit it, but they exist. and they stupid things like colt mccoy should get the start even if griffin is ready. because they're more interested in seeing anyone other than griffin under center.

edit: i believe i've even said that i would have thought after the bye made the most sense, so Griffin got on the same page as the offense. it would give them a whole two weeks.

but that's if he needs it. if he's not ready, by all means do not play him. but if he's ready... put the kid on the field and lets go.

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[quote=Mattyk;1092219]Wasn't Gruden brought here specifically to develop Griffin? I don't really have a problem with someone above him twisting his arm a bit and saying hey, if he's ready you better get him back in there. Don't kid yourself and think this sort of pressure on a HC is a rare thing in the NFL.[/quote]

I think with the injury history, experience in kinda non-pro style offense (baylor and shanny read option) and plus the struggles in the preseason I give the HC the benefit in coming up and clearly stating a plan to the FO saying "hey more time." But I could imagine the sh*t storm that woulda caused.

I do think RG3 needs to play to develop abosolutely yes, but does he need to be rushed this week? I dont think so.

I really think Snyder should be staying out of allllllll personel decisions...we know the history there and its not good.

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[quote=over the mountain;1092221]ive known my older brother almost my entire life .....

smoot, thank you for your insight. in this particular case I wish the message was on a more positive note . . . but if what you have been told is true ... [B]unless RG3 plays well, we are screwed as a franchise and gruden experiment is already doomed.[/B]

hope RG3 plays well and makes this a non-issue.[/quote]
Why?

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Lotta hyperbole in this thread about the supposedly dire consequences if such and such happens. I don't see it. We've been mostly bad for decades. So what would change if we were to lose at Minnesota? Not much.

In my years of observing the NFL, I have seen numerous developing QB's start every game but also have a veteran backup relieve them in some games, as necessary. If the young QB was relieved in any particular game, he still started the next week. Why can't Gruden do that with Robert and Colt? It could be a compromise among the executives.

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[quote=Hog1;1092226]Why?[/quote]

if he doesnt play well this week, the headline will be that RG3 wasnt ready and was rushed = leaks that gruden didnt want him to start vs vikings = leaks that gruden didnt want him to start week 1 either = media and fans will be left to speculate for 2 weeks as to why RG3 started if the HC didnt want him to = 2013 = what skins fans have been used to for 2 decades now ...

if he plays well, no one will question the decision to start him .. thus no one will question (or care) who actually made the decision. the focus will be on an improving and healthy griffin ready to make a second half playoff push. all good things.

if he plays poorly = 2 weeks of negativity and conspiracy theories. personally i dont want to see the skeletons in our closet. ive seen them enough. tired of the drama. all not so good things.



perhaps im being a lil dramatic in connecting the dots. perhaps as a skins fan, im conditioned to think as such.

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If Griffin shows that he's not ready on Sunday, it will be disastrous for the organization. Could be a franchise altering loss

Exactly but if he isnt ready in two weeks there is no second guessing atleast. We can beat the damn vikings with Colt. Just wait till after the bye it seems so effin logical.

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[quote=over the mountain;1092231]if he doesnt play well this week, the headline will be that RG3 wasnt ready and was rushed = leaks that gruden didnt want him to start vs vikings = leaks that gruden didnt want him to start week 1 either = media and fans will be left to speculate for 2 weeks as to why RG3 started if the HC didnt want him to = 2013 = what skins fans have been used to for 2 decades now ...

if he plays well, no one will question the decision to start him .. thus no one will question (or care) who actually made the decision. the focus will be on an improving and healthy griffin ready to make a second half playoff push. all good things.

if he plays poorly = 2 weeks of negativity and conspiracy theories. personally i dont want to see the skeletons in our closet. ive seen them enough. tired of the drama. all not so good things.



[B]perhaps im being a lil dramatic in connecting the dots. perhaps as a skins fan, im conditioned to think as such[/B].[/quote]
Got it....

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Robert can't hold on to the ball. The line can't block forever. He also can't try to always force the ball to the first option. I think that is something Colt did well.

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SS, thank you for sharing your insight. I've learned a lot about the RGIII situation as well as the dynamics of the organization.

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Jeebejeezus ...

RGIII has barely uttered a word, has been supportive of his teammates and backup QB's, and hasn't been making a big show of "play me coach" in the media at all (he has showed up and practiced ... ohhhhh!) - yet, the drama surrounding his return makes this a possible "franchise altering" game.

I don't doubt the truth of the statement BUT it's just sad that it is likely true.

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rookie coach working with young QB who never played in system similar to his has the QB injured in game 2. Yet, six games later, after sitting out with an injury that most thought was likely season ending, the QB is expected to appear and is not allowed to have a rough first outing. Yay

<deep, deep sigh>