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Let's be honest -- this team has enough talent to do better than it has, and so the coaching staff is far from blameless here. Don't get me wrong -- we're not a playoff team (far from it), but we're certainly good enough to beat the Bucs and Vikings, which makes us a .500 team. Nothing is a given.

I like Gruden a lot -- he's a straight shooter, and he seems likeable enough. But this team came offa bye and was flat against a 1-8 team at home, and that's unacceptable. I was of the view that how the team bounced back after the bye and the loss to Minn. would say a lot about the organization -- coaching staff and players. And sadly, it probably did. I hope that Gruden can be successful here, but the jury's obviously out on that.

Clearly, we haven't been getting nearly enough talent on the lines, and games are won in the trenches. On our O line, only Trent and Kory are worth keeping (putting aside the question of who is starting caliber), and 2/5 of a line isn't going to win many games. On our D line, only Hatcher and Cofield are worth keeping -- Baker, Jenkins, Bowen and the rest haven't shown much of anything (I might make the exception for Kearse, and I keep wondering why he isn't getting more time at the expense of the three I just named; he's at least showing some real effort out there whereas the other three are invisible).

Our safety situation is atricious, and has been since 2007 (man do I miss Taylor). That's a long time to go without a single quality starter for that position. Our CBs are improving but young and will make mistakes. If DHall can return healthy, I wonder whether we move him to FS and keep our youngsters at CB -- that would help a good deal.

Haslett seems utterly lost -- a LB covering the guy who has been torching you all day -- really? I never played football at any level beyond the sandlot, but damn, man, I know better. Inexcusable. In two games, your D has given up 29 points to the hapless Vikings and 27 points (really, 20) to the equally hapless Bucs. What do you think a good offensive team like the Colts will do to us right now? The next two weeks could involve losses in the neighborhood of 42-10. Honestly, if Haslett were to be fired today, I cannot say I would be concerned -- even though I tend to think that mid-season firings tend not to do much. But he seems so ineffectual with adjustments and scheming, I don't know how much worse it could get.

I am curious about the blame being placed on Snyder's shoulders. Unlike the early years, I don't get the sense that he's personally involving himself (I concede aI have no visibuility into this, and so I could be wrong). And there are some teams that had respected owners (Ralph Wilson and the Bills come to mind) that haven't been good in a long time. I am not sure how much of this belongs to Snyder, although one could say that the GM decisions he's made are obviously problematic (Cerrato is a dope, and Allen has been at best inconsistent). But he's hired Schottenheimer, Gibbs and Shannahan, and so it isn't like he always goes with unproven guys all the time and those risks didn't pan out.

The run game is puzlling to me -- it was clicking yesterday, and our run D was stout. Why aren't we pounding it more? Alfmo seems like the only one who really came to play yesterday (except for Tress "I Did It My" Way. Sad when your punter is your MVP.

Honestly, this franchise needs to hit the re-set button. I thought that this year might mark a departure from the crap that the Shannahan regime had devolved to become, but it's really not brought much different. There are a number of coaches anmd players that need to go. This ought to be a busy off-season.

Prove me wrong, Redskins. Beat SF. Beat Indy. Show some heart for a change.

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Here is a depressing read in the Washington Post.

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/11/17/what-it-was-like-in-the-stands-during-the-redskins-loss-to-tampa-bay/"]In the stands[/URL]

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[quote=Hijinx;1094459]Here is a depressing read in the Washington Post.

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/11/17/what-it-was-like-in-the-stands-during-the-redskins-loss-to-tampa-bay/"]In the stands[/URL][/quote]

seems like the bottom.

Your able to score $10 tickets to the game? That is absoluting depressing. I still wouldnt pay

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[quote=Hijinx;1094459]Here is a depressing read in the Washington Post.

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/11/17/what-it-was-like-in-the-stands-during-the-redskins-loss-to-tampa-bay/"]In the stands[/URL][/quote]

Ugh -- that may be the most depressing thing I have ever read about this team. And THAT is saying something.

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This is likewise very depressing: [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/11/17/misery-loves-company-the-10-worst-redskins-losses-of-the-daniel-snyder-era/]Misery loves company: The 10 worst Redskins losses of the Daniel Snyder Era - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=Ruhskins;1094431]Good points from Keim:

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/13012/second-thoughts-redskins-bucs?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed]Second thoughts: Washington Redskins-Tampa Bay Buccaneers - ESPN[/url][/quote]

[quote]There is a lot that I still like about Griffin’s game, too. But he has to show real progress. I’ve written this before, but [B]the Redskins have made themselves overly dependent on a quarterback. Other teams could withstand growing pains by young quarterbacks because of how the roster was constructed. Not here.[/B][/quote]

Boom.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1094453]He sure did. Anyone remember Tory Nixon?[/quote]

Good memory with Tory Nixon. And Beathard missed on many others. But, as SS indicated, he tended to hold on to draft picks and trade back, thus giving himself more chances for hits. Darth Hoody does the same in New England.

We don't develop our draft picks. Coaching failures.

Plus we traded three #1's and a #2 for a QB who lacks a clock in his head.

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Look, we're fans of a shitty team. We need to get used to it and start facing seasons the way cubs fans do or Redsox fans used to. We're bums. One day something may change. But it aint going to be any time soon. Get used to it. Don't take it so hard. Take a deep breath. It lowers the blood pressure.

(PS I, myself, am unable to take this advice, and so I continue to suffer with this team. But maybe some of y'all can do better!)

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[quote=calia;1094462]This is likewise very depressing: [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/11/17/misery-loves-company-the-10-worst-redskins-losses-of-the-daniel-snyder-era/]Misery loves company: The 10 worst Redskins losses of the Daniel Snyder Era - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

God that Eagles game, I had blocked that out. That when I really knew that this organization has a shitty FO and owner. You give a 5 year extension to a washed up has been, mid season after being robbed by Albert Haynesworth in the offseason. That just shows you don't know what the hell you are doing.

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[quote=Hijinx;1094483]God that Eagles game, I had blocked that out. That when I really knew that this organization has a shitty FO and owner. You give a 5 year extension to a washed up has been, mid season after being robbed by Albert Haynesworth in the offseason. That just shows you don't know what the hell you are doing.[/quote]

Yeah, I forget who #99 was for us that season, but I remember upon seeing that replay that I wish he purposefully stomped on Fat Albert as he was running past his ponderous, useless bulk as he ran past to continue the play.

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[URL="http://instagram.com/p/vgJr0buNoA/"]From DeSean Jackson's Instagram[/URL]

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[quote=skinsfan69;1094453]He sure did. Anyone remember Tory Nixon?[/quote]

[url=http://articles.latimes.com/1985-11-03/sports/sp-4092_1_tory-nixon]Nixon Gets a Second Chance With 49ers : Cornerback Was Top Pick of Redskins, but He Didn't Measure Up - Los Angeles Times[/url]

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[quote=Chico23231;1094352]The one person who played with heart and had a great game yesterday, Alfmo, will be one person who will be let go or phased out.

Thats how this organization works, we let go of decent talent and focus on guys we will never win with.

Im fucking sick of this organization especially from a front office, management and coaching standpoint.

WE CANT FUCKING DEVELOP OUR TALENT. SOMEONE IN THE FRONT OFFICE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS!!!!!

Im tired of talking about our players, sure we lack talent in some areas, BUT EVERY TEAM DOES![/quote]

It all starts with the owner man. Everything comes from the top down. Brian Mitchell is right, until fans stop going to games, buying jerseys, and putting up with the constant bread and circuses under Daniel Snyder, it's going to be the same damn thing year after year after year.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1094437]1 of 2 things is happening in my opinion. 1) Our scouts/personnel guys are bringing home a bunch of spoiled food or 2) Our coaches don't know how to cook[/quote]

I think the best way to answer that question is to look at the amount of coaching changes we've had and compare that to the number of scout personnel changes we've had.

I don't know the figures but I DO know we've had a LOT of coaches here, who did very well in other organizations (Shannahan, Schottenheimer, etc.)

Unless these coaches throw out their previous experience when they get here I can't blame them. Like we've all stated before, It's starts at the top with the owner and upper management putting the right pieces in place (which I don't believe they are) and then translates to the coach and staff, which in turn trickles down to the players.

So forget the players. We need to clean up this office and I DONT mean adding ANOTHER "talent evaluator." Clean out the useless jobs we have (Can anyone explain what Greg Williams does?) that are only adding more dumb opinions and undermining our true GM (which we currently don't have) and put in some real football knowledgable personnel.

PLEASE!

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I went to the game, expecting us to win big, don't ask me why... And the only thing I was proud of was getting my section to join me in booing...