Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote=#56fanatic;291852]I should have been more clear. "Later in the draft" i meant the 31st pick for the DL. something in the works, Springs being dealt pick or player, Betts, Portis being dealt for picks. A lot of rumors fly about 1 of our RB's getting dealt on draft day. Or, it could just be one of those players you just can't pass up on, for basically nothing. [B]WE ARE GETTING A 26 YEAR OLD STUD, FOR NOTHING! WE STILL GET TO KEEP A 1st ROUND PICK.[/B] I just can't see whats wrong with that. We are not losing picks, we are gaining a stud, and still have a pick to take a lineman. seems like people think we are giving up 2nd and 3rd round picks. we still have a pick in the 1st round. not the 6th, but still the 1st round.[/quote]

This point has been written here yet again, even after I remember shooting it down. This is what you get for repeating a dumb point: you sir, are a moron. We're not getting him for nothing. You do realize the difference in talent between the guys available at 6 and the guys available at 31?

Not to mention what we could get in a trade by moving down from 6 in exchange for picks. If I were a mod, I'd ban you for being retarded.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

Note to self: scratch Schneed off the potential mod list. ;)

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

The redskins franchise needs to take a few finance classes. Sell high, buy low. They do the absolute opposite. Snyder needs to go back to Finance 101. If this goes through, two seasons from now Lance Briggs will be worth maybe a 2nd round draft pick, and whoever goes 6th will probably be the mvp of the league. Id rather go after calvin johnson than lance briggs.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote=Mattyk72;291879]Note to self: scratch Schneed off the potential mod list. ;)[/quote]

Damn!

Now I have to begin proving myself all over again.

Fine, no ban. But if I were a mod I'd summon PWNED via the bat-PWNED signal.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

Snyder aces Finance 101, easily. He doesn't do so well in Management 101, particularly in regards to chapter of Team Building.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

I feel like his ego overtakes his reason and he makes irrational decisions that go against everything someone would learn in school when it comes to managing the redskins. Cause that's what he is, an owner/manager.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

Can we cease with the "and we keep a first round pick" BS?

Yes it is technically a 1st round pick but it is no more valuable because it has a special name like "1st round pick". It is a far worse draft pick period than the 6. The fact that it remains in the 1st round shouldn't mean it is infinitely more valuable than say the 1st pick in the 2nd round, which by the way happens to be ONE PICK LATER. I don't care that the pick is in the 1st round. I care that we are taking a 25 spot drop.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;291844Unless Quinn, Thomas, or Johnson do fall, the Bears really don't have a good pick at 6. It may not be worth it for them to make this deal, despite all the value they are getting for Briggs.[/QUOTE]

That's crazy talk. A #6 pick is never a bad thing especially in a very good draft and especially for a guy who many times has publicly said he won't play for Chicago again, unless it's the "I'll sit for 10 games and play 6" ploy. And the Bears won't be coughing up the monster salary he wants. If anything, the Bears have plenty of options with that pick.

Briggs has wanted the spotlight on himself for a long time. He's on a defense surrounded by Pro-Bowlers...if he goes to the Redskins he'll get the chance to see he's everything he thinks he is, or a by-product of that defense up there. Don't get me wrong, he's a very good linebacker...but playing next to guys like Tommie Harris, Urlacher, etc doesn't hurt. If he wants out, fine....and if the Bears can get a #6 pick then that's a steal for them, even giving up the #31 also.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote=Schneed10;291877]This point has been written here yet again, even after I remember shooting it down. This is what you get for repeating a dumb point: you sir, are a moron. We're not getting him for nothing. You do realize the difference in talent between the guys available at 6 and the guys available at 31?

Not to mention what we could get in a trade by moving down from 6 in exchange for picks. If I were a mod, I'd ban you for being retarded.[/quote]


seriously, is that needed? you know people are really brave on this f'n site. grow up. calling one a moron is really mature.

if you can read the point I made : franchise player require two first round picks - we are not losing a 1st round pick to aquire a franchised player. This is what I meant. 2nd, we were looking to trade down to aquire more picks. We essentially get to trade down to a late 1st and get a 26 year old LB which is worth a hole hell of a lot more than any 2nd or 3rd round player we would have drafted.

3rd - if you want to continually act like a fool you have every right to do so. But please refrain from calling me or anyone else a moron. that is totally uncalled for and childish. I would expect everyone here can have a civil conversation regarding a potential trade without getting into a pissing match. I would hope a "MOD" would certainly not act that way, and also the other "MODS" take notice of your insults. apology accepted.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[QUOTE=Schneed10;291877]This point has been written here yet again, even after I remember shooting it down. This is what you get for repeating a dumb point: you sir, are a moron. We're not getting him for nothing. You do realize the difference in talent between the guys available at 6 and the guys available at 31?

Not to mention what we could get in a trade by moving down from 6 in exchange for picks. If I were a mod, I'd ban you for being retarded.[/QUOTE]

I agree with your general sentiments regarding the trade, but there's no need to personally attack the guy. Chill.......chill. I hate it when people get into personal attacks, causing threads to go total awry and off into a direction that no one cares about other than the two people involved.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[QUOTE=#56fanatic;291893]seriously, is that needed? you know people are really brave on this f'n site. grow up. calling one a moron is really mature.

if you can read the point I made : franchise player require two first round picks - we are not losing a 1st round pick to aquire a franchised player. This is what I meant. 2nd, we were looking to trade down to aquire more picks. We essentially get to trade down to a late 1st and get a 26 year old LB which is worth a hole hell of a lot more than any 2nd or 3rd round player we would have drafted.

3rd - if you want to continually act like a fool you have every right to do so. But please refrain from calling me or anyone else a moron. that is totally uncalled for and childish. I would expect everyone here can have a civil conversation regarding a potential trade without getting into a pissing match. I would hope a "MOD" would certainly not act that way, and also the other "MODS" take notice of your insults. apology accepted.[/QUOTE]
I tend to agree with you but as he pointed out he did totaly refute your statement and you blew right on past it and didn't seem to even notice. I can understand his frustration. Lots of people do that around here, as well as many other boards.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote=Schneed10;291877]This point has been written here yet again, even after I remember shooting it down. This is what you get for repeating a dumb point: you sir, are a moron. We're not getting him for nothing. You do realize the difference in talent between the guys available at 6 and the guys available at 31?

Not to mention what we could get in a trade by moving down from 6 in exchange for picks. If I were a mod, I'd ban you for being retarded.[/quote]


also, that does not always ring true. I believe we have all had discussions regarding players drafted in later rounds that turn out to be great players. So, yes players taken in the top 10 typically are better than the bottom 10, but its not a guarantee. We could get a quality DE or DT with the 31st pick that could be just as good, if not better than the guy drafted 25 picks ahead of him.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;291858]1) its not a cost-minded move
2)we have solid LB depth already
3)if you consider the price "nothing", you're probably retarded

It's a stiff price to pay for any linebacker, much less a potentially overrated one.[/quote]

yet another immature little ass. are you people seriously that insecure about your man hood that it requires you downgrade yourself to name calling? When does "price" ever matter with this organization? oh, thats right.. Randel El's 30 million, Arch 30million, Lloyds 30 million, were all cost minded?? i forgot

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[QUOTE=#56fanatic;291893]if you can read the point I made : franchise player require two first round picks - we are not losing a 1st round pick to aquire a franchised player. This is what I meant. 2nd, we were looking to trade down to aquire more picks. We essentially get to trade down to a late 1st and get a 26 year old LB which is worth a hole hell of a lot more than any 2nd or 3rd round player we would have drafted.[/QUOTE] You say we're basically gaining an extra 1st round pick because we are getting a stud linebacker, but that's not what we need right now!
People around here want to trade down our pick so that we can get a defensive lineman, a guard, a safety, maybe a cornerback, maybe a tight end, and maybe another late round receiver. Another linebacker is one of the last positions that we feel like the team needs to fill right now, which means it would basically be a waste to pick/trade for one.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote=#56fanatic;291893]seriously, is that needed? you know people are really brave on this f'n site. grow up. calling one a moron is really mature.

if you can read the point I made : franchise player require two first round picks - we are not losing a 1st round pick to aquire a franchised player. This is what I meant. 2nd, we were looking to trade down to aquire more picks. We essentially get to trade down to a late 1st and get a 26 year old LB which is worth a hole hell of a lot more than any 2nd or 3rd round player we would have drafted.

3rd - if you want to continually act like a fool you have every right to do so. But please refrain from calling me or anyone else a moron. that is totally uncalled for and childish. I would expect everyone here can have a civil conversation regarding a potential trade without getting into a pissing match. I would hope a "MOD" would certainly not act that way, and also the other "MODS" take notice of your insults. apology accepted.[/quote]

I'm not sorry, my opinion of you hasn't changed, and I still don't find you to be very intelligent.

I have no problem with your opinion in and of itself. It's fine to state it. But if I address it in a post, and then you repeat yourself again as if you never even read what I said, well that to me isn't very responsible on a board aimed at "discussion for the knowledgeable fan." If you're not addressing my point and you're just repeating yourself, you're not having much of a [B]discussion[/B], are you? You're just blowing hot air onto the boards without listening to the opinions of others.

Now, as for your clarified point, I addressed that one as well earlier in the thread. No franchised player is actually worth 2 first rounders. Just because the CBA says that's the price, that doesn't make the underlying player actually worth that much.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[QUOTE=#56fanatic;291906]yet another immature little ass. are you people seriously that insecure about your man hood that it requires you downgrade yourself to name calling?[/QUOTE]

Is the irony of this statement not lost on anybody?

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote=#56fanatic;291900]also, that does not always ring true. I believe we have all had discussions regarding players drafted in later rounds that turn out to be great players. So, yes players taken in the top 10 typically are better than the bottom 10, but its not a guarantee. We [B]could[/B] get a quality DE or DT with the 31st pick that could be just as good, if not better than the guy drafted 25 picks ahead of him.[/quote]

Yeah, we COULD. And [B]if[/B] a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his ass when he hops.

Bottom line: the 6th pick is worth so much more than the 31st because the chances of hitting on the player is so much higher.

Your argument makes no sense.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote=FRPLG;291910]Is the irony of this statement not lost on anybody?[/quote]


I believe the word is hypocrisy.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote=FRPLG;291910]Is the irony of this statement not lost on anybody?[/quote]


you like that. figured I would sink to their level for a few minutes.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

No offense, but it seems like everyone around here is a little testy.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote=#56fanatic;291906]yet another immature little ass. are you people seriously that insecure about your man hood that it requires you downgrade yourself to name calling? When does "price" ever matter with this organization? oh, thats right.. Randel El's 30 million, Arch 30million, Lloyds 30 million, were all cost minded?? i forgot[/quote]Is, or is not your stance on the trade that we are giving up nothing? My statement wasn't an accusation at all, it was an honest conditional statement. I have a hard time believeing that you really believe what you wrote. It's ridiculous. I figured you were BSing us.

Chill.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

56, just because I called you a moron doesn't mean I'm not capable of keeping this discussion civil. I don't think you're making a lick of sense, but I'm still willing to listen to what you have to say.

It's just that every opinion you've given so far doesn't pass any test of logic, and I felt you needed a little beatdown for not listening/reading others' posts.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[QUOTE=#56fanatic;291893]if you can read the point I made : franchise player require two first round picks - we are not losing a 1st round pick to aquire a franchised player. This is what I meant. [B]2nd, we were looking to trade down to aquire more picks. We essentially get to trade down to a late 1st and get a 26 year old LB which is worth a hole hell of a lot more than any 2nd or 3rd round player we would have drafted. [/B][/QUOTE]

I think this is the main bone of contention. The value of Briggs and the #31 pick is less than the value of trading from the #6 to pick up a later first round pick (presumably higher than #31) and/or a 2nd and a 3rd rounder.

Not to mention that of the weaknesses we have on defense, linebacker is the most solid set of positions we have. The help we need at positions along the D-line and at cornerback and strong safety outweigh any contributions Briggs can give us.

Then there are the salary cap implications. Briggs will wind up costing way more than the pool of draft picks we would have been able to amass. And yes, our front office hasn't exactly hit homeruns with 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks in the past, but at least we're moving in the right direction by using the draft for player acquisition. If we miss out with the draft picks, at least they don't cost us as much.

Also, don't discount the possibility that Briggs could be the wrong fit for our defense. As we can all easily admit, there are no "sure things" in free agency either.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;291907]You say we're basically gaining an extra 1st round pick because we are getting a stud linebacker, but that's not what we need right now!
People around here want to trade down our pick so that we can get a defensive lineman, a guard, a safety, maybe a cornerback, maybe a tight end, and maybe another late round receiver. Another linebacker is one of the last positions that we feel like the team needs to fill right now, which means it would basically be a waste to pick/trade for one.[/quote]


I am not saying we get an extra 1st round pick. I am saying we dont lose a 1st round pick. what we do lose is the potential to trade down and get additional picks, maybe 2nd and 3rd to draft DLINE, OLINE, CB whatever. My opinion is : we still have a 1st rounder - get a player that will be a TON better that what we would have drafted in the 2nd or 3rd round. Our 1st rounders take 2 or 3 years to get on the field with this staff. So why not get someone who is going to play now. We have signed depth to the Oline in the offseason, signed depth for the secondary, we have receivers. we could use some depth at TE. I just see this as a pretty good move for once.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

Is something up with Marcus Washington that we don't know about. I heard about the hip surgery but I didn't hear that his hip was going to be a problem this coming year.

Marcus Washington is a leader on our defense and someone that fans consider a true Redskin. If his role is diminished if Briggs were to come here I DO NOT want to see the Briggs trade to happen.

DLine is the most imperative need and if we walk away with Briggs and no solution for the DLine that is a reckless decision.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote=Schneed10;291909]I'm not sorry, my opinion of you hasn't changed, and I still don't find you to be very intelligent.

I have no problem with your opinion in and of itself. It's fine to state it. But if I address it in a post, and then you repeat yourself again as if you never even read what I said, well that to me isn't very responsible on a board aimed at "discussion for the knowledgeable fan." If you're not addressing my point and you're just repeating yourself, you're not having much of a [B]discussion[/B], are you? You're just blowing hot air onto the boards without listening to the opinions of others.

Now, as for your clarified point, I addressed that one as well earlier in the thread. No franchised player is actually worth 2 first rounders. Just because the CBA says that's the price, that doesn't make the underlying player actually worth that much.[/quote]

I tried to address you point in the 2nd post, maybe i didn't. as far as the franchise and what they are worth, I am referring to the CBA that says a team can ask for 2 first rounders, or a frachise player is worth 2 first rounders. Do I think franchise players are worth two 1st rounders, NO. never have. I was using that as a reference for what most teams originally expect when designating a player as franchised.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote=#56fanatic;291862]hey, I agree. You will alway hear me saying the same thing. I just thing Briggs is a complete stud LB. We get the guy for nothing, when franchise players cost you 2 first round picks. We get him and keep a 1st round pick. I just think its one of those deals you can not pass up, no matter what you need. Rocky is unproven, he could provide great depth with Marshall. We always say our team has no depth, this could give us some depth there. we only had 1 pick anyway. We were going to trade down and take a DL anyway, why not upgrade and still pick a DL late in the 1st round, which is what we were going to do anyway[/quote]

You don't trade away a 2nd rounder to move up to take a guy in the 2nd round to be a back-up. That makes no sense what so ever. That's like trading for Drew Brees, making him your starter and telling JC to be the back-up. Too much is invested in Rocky to make him a back-up. Plus we have Marshall to play weak side. Didn't Marshall play real well filling in for lavar in 04? Don't our silly ass coaches already know this?

I know Briggs is real good. But how is he going to play in our system with a line that's not as good as the Bears? I bet his play slips if he comes here. How is he going to play after he gets a new deal? It's like we always chase other teams players. When are we ever going to draft a guy, let him grow in our system, and reward that player? All of our own guys that we draft walk out the door. It's such bullshit! This is why we never make the playoffs.

The smart thing to do is give our players new deals before they hit the market. We already let Dock walk. We should be signing Cooley to a long term deal right now. Instead of chasing some crybaby bitch who goes on ESPN/NFL Network ( and whoever else will listen to him) and says he's not playing for 7.2 million.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote=Schneed10;291911]Yeah, we COULD. And [B]if[/B] a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his ass when he hops.

Bottom line: the 6th pick is worth so much more than the 31st because the chances of hitting on the player is so much higher.

Your argument makes no sense.[/quote]

do you think I am putting the same weight on the 6th and 31st pick? I know the difference between the two.

Let me ask you this :
scenario 1 - we trade the 6th pick for a lower round 1st, 3rd, maybe a 2nd. we draft a DE or DT later in the 1st, probably between the 11th and 15th rounds. 2nd round - Oline, Safety, corner? 3rd, same needs. is that what you feel we need to do??

in the above it is not known or fact that we get more than two picks for our 6th pick. We may get a 1st and only a 2nd, at best. So, that player chosen in the 2nd, are they going to start? if we draft an Oline man - he isn't starting, corner? he isnt' starting, safety - nope not starting. nor would any 3rd round player selected.

in the trade with Chicago - we move down to the 31st and could select the same position as we would have with the 11th to 15th pick. maybe not as good, but still a 1st rounder, should be a decent player. We also get Briggs - an impact player who ultimately is way better than anyone we would have drafted in the 2nd or 3rd round. Plus, he plays right now. Gibbs isn't going to be around to watch our 2nd 3rd and 4th round players develop into stars, he wants to win now. He is going to do what ever it takes to win now.
I am not arguing with anyone. I respect all of your opinions or theories. I think you all add a different side to these discussions. I apologize to whomever it was I called an ass. that was out of line.
I just thought I should try and clear up why I think this deal is good for us. Although some of you may have shot it down earlier, i thought i would explain my thinking a little more.

or, maybe I am mentally challenged who knows.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[QUOTE=#56fanatic;291924]I am not saying we get an extra 1st round pick. I am saying we dont lose a 1st round pick.[/QUOTE]

This statement and what it infers is that all 1st round picks are equal, which they clearly are not. It doesn't matter that we are keeping a 1st rounder. We are losing value there plain and simple. Now the relative values of those picks you can debate but don't try and say there are no differences between the 6th pick and the 31st pick. That is what you inferring with your statement and it is wrong.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

When I hear people asking about Washington, in regards to this trade, it makes me worry. I worry because I can't help but remember the Duckett trade.

I could see us making this bad trade, simply because we want some sort of insurance policy for Washington. It seems like just another case of getting the wrong player for the wrong reasons (and sacrificing too much to do it).

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

I haven't seen these types of personal attacks since last February.. Lance Briggs is the new Patrick Ramsey!!!

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[QUOTE=#56fanatic;291932]Gibbs isn't going to be around to watch our 2nd 3rd and 4th round players develop into stars, he wants to win now. He is going to do what ever it takes to win now.[/QUOTE]

This is what really worries me about our current management. I have a pretty good idea that this is the mindset in the Redskins organization. The problem is: if you try to win every year, as if it's the first and last, then you may never win. Some things take planning, and a long-term approach.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[QUOTE=#56fanatic;291932]Let me ask you this :
scenario 1 - we trade the 6th pick for a lower round 1st, 3rd, maybe a 2nd. we draft a DE or DT later in the 1st, probably between the 11th and 15th rounds. 2nd round - Oline, Safety, corner? 3rd, same needs. is that what you feel we need to do??[/QUOTE]

Yes. Not so much an O-guard, but a total of two new defensive linemen.

[QUOTE=#56fanatic]in the above it is not known or fact that we get more than two picks for our 6th pick. We may get a 1st and only a 2nd, at best. So, that player chosen in the 2nd, are they going to start? if we draft an Oline man - he isn't starting, corner? he isnt' starting, safety - nope not starting. nor would any 3rd round player selected.[/QUOTE]

As has been pointed out, there were offers that included a player (Dre Bly, Al Wilson) for our #6, plus a later 1st (#21), 2nd, and 3rd rounders. For the record, I'm not in favor of drafting a guard simply because we lost Dockery. That position can be filled with a journeyman free agent without a significant loss in performance.

[QUOTE=#56fanatic]in the trade with Chicago - we move down to the 31st and could select the same position as we would have with the 11th to 15th pick. maybe not as good, but still a 1st rounder, should be a decent player. We also get Briggs - an impact player who ultimately is way better than anyone we would have drafted in the 2nd or 3rd round. [B]Plus, he plays right now. [/B]Gibbs isn't going to be around to watch our 2nd 3rd and 4th round players develop into stars, he wants to win now. He is going to do what ever it takes to win now. [/QUOTE]

Lemar Marshall can play "right now". And Rocky is still waiting in the wings. This debate has more to do with the fact that we are basically set at linebacker. Briggs will cost too much over the long haul, and his impact could be very dependent on the players that are in front of him on the D-line.

The "Win NOW" philosophy is exactly why this franchise never goes anywhere.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

Haven't caught much of this Briggs thing? Kinda caught of guard by this whole thing, didn't know we where in the market. What are we thinking about here?

Yes Briggs is a solid young LB. Is it worth the cost?

When I think of Briggs the first thing that comes to mind is me and I, not team. I'm not playing for Chicago this year, I'll just sit out? What kinda crap is that......your under contract. I'm not so sure about this one. Is there a problem with MW hip healing properly?

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;291931]You don't trade away a 2nd rounder to move up to take a guy in the 2nd round to be a back-up. That makes no sense what so ever. That's like trading for Drew Brees, making him your starter and telling JC to be the back-up. Too much is invested in Rocky to make him a back-up. Plus we have Marshall to play weak side. Didn't Marshall play real well filling in for lavar in 04? Don't our silly ass coaches already know this?

I know Briggs is real good. But how is he going to play in our system with a line that's not as good as the Bears? I bet his play slips if he comes here. How is he going to play after he gets a new deal? It's like we always chase other teams players. When are we ever going to draft a guy, let him grow in our system, and reward that player? All of our own guys that we draft walk out the door. It's such bullshit! This is why we never make the playoffs.

The smart thing to do is give our players new deals before they hit the market. We already let Dock walk. We should be signing Cooley to a long term deal right now. Instead of chasing some crybaby bitch who goes on ESPN/NFL Network ( and whoever else will listen to him) and says he's not playing for 7.2 million.[/QUOTE]

Something else with Briggs is that he plays in that Tampa-2 formation with the Bears. It leaves Briggs's position as the only one that's essentially unblocked most of the time. So he's benefitted from that too in addition to having loads of defensive talent around him too. Yet he wants to be a whiny, greedy guy who won't take like a 600% raise to play for the NFC Champs.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote=skinsfan_nn;291948]Haven't caught much of this Briggs thing? Kinda caught of guard by this whole thing, didn't know we where in the market. What are we thinking about here?

Yes Briggs is a solid young LB. Is it worth the cost?

When I think of Briggs the first thing that comes to mind is me and I, not team. I'm not playing for Chicago this year, I'll just sit out? What kinda crap is that......your under contract. I'm not so sure about this one. Is there a problem with MW hip healing properly?[/quote]
He was not under contract he we forced to stay with a franchise tag. I guess that could be argued as under contract but if he gets injured this year what kind of contract will they offer him in the following year? Nothing, and thats the problem with the franchise tag. I think we argue that our team does not take care of our players and isn't that what the Bears are doing.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

I don't want a LB unless it's Shawn Merriman. Oh yeah, we could have drafted him but instead took a little pussy who is incapable of jamming anyone at the LOS.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

Merriman is a 3-4 backer who would be out of place here.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

on sirius nfl radio both adam schein and jim miller said this would be a great deal for us, though they did say that springs, wynn, or daniels would probably be cut to facilitate the deal

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote=Mattyk72;291967]Merriman is a 3-4 backer who would be out of place here.[/quote]


LOL! Are you serious? He can play from the 3 point stance just like Briggs can.