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Every single time campbell speaks, he earns more of my respect. He has, without question, better character than almost any qb in the league. It just makes me happy we have someone like him and not someone like jay cutler...

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[quote=warriorzpath;651491]Yeah, I don't know why I waste my time in responding.

People on here are so ignorant and close-minded sometimes.[/quote]
You're clearly way too smart for this board.

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[quote=warriorzpath;651491]Yeah, I don't know why I waste my time in responding.

People on here are so ignorant and close-minded sometimes.[/quote]

You know, I've said that to myself about a dozen times this season, and even asked Matty to nuke my account (he didn't, don't know why). Just go away for 6 months and come back when we make the next big splashy move. Absence makes the heart grow blonder.

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[quote=warriorzpath;651491]Yeah, [B]I don't know why I waste my time in responding.[/B]

People on here are so ignorant and close-minded sometimes.[/quote]

Then don't, save yourself some trouble...or come up with a better argument.

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On a more serious note:

[quote=warriorzpath;651491]People on here are so [B]ignorant[/B] [/quote]

I'd wager that almost all of us are ignorant about what it takes to lead an NFL franchise on the field as a quarterback, yourself included.

Many of us are not ignorant about what it means to be a leader of others, for as much as that analogy holds up compared to a football team.

Like many others who have not responded favorably to that last statement you made, I think your logic is faulty in this case. Jason Campbell may not be a Brett Favre kind of team leader (in fact he is not -- yet, and may never be).

But even Brett Favre is not responsible for making sure that the Minnesota Vikings are prepared to come out and execute as a football team on Sundays. The kind of leadership he exhibits is one of character, toughness, dedication, setting an example for the team to follow, and stopping the BS when it interferes with his ability to do any of the above.

I think Jason's done most of that this season. What he hasn't done was won games singlehandedly. Fault him for that if you will, but blaming him for the team's lack of readiness is way off base.

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[quote=dgack;651557]You know, I've said that to myself about a dozen times this season, and [B]even asked Matty to nuke my account (he didn't, don't know why)[/B]. Just go away for 6 months and come back when we make the next big splashy move. Absence makes the heart grow blonder.[/quote]

I've heard that request plenty of times only to see that person come back a while later.

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[quote=dgack;651557]You know, I've said that to myself about a dozen times this season, and even asked Matty to nuke my account (he didn't, don't know why). Just go away for 6 months and come back when we make the next big splashy move. Absence makes the heart grow blonder.[/quote]
Do you not possess the self-control that it takes to stop visiting and posting? lol

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[quote=tryfuhl;651585]Do you not possess the self-control that it takes to stop visiting and posting? lol[/quote]

Apparently not. Honestly, it's easier getting the news from WP than the (other) W(ash)P(ost). Self control -- on an Internet forum -- frequented by human beings? You are a real kidder, you know that?

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[quote=Mattyk;651577]I've heard that request plenty of times only to see that person come back a while later.[/quote]

Damn your eyes, man

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I just saw Peter King on P.T.I and he said he has been told that we may keep Portis, Draft a QB in the 1st round and then let Campbell go.. I hope that isn't true. I would rather have JC with a rookie for competition

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[quote=skinsfaninok;651592]I just saw Peter King on P.T.I and he said he has been told that we may keep Portis, Draft a QB in the 1st round and then let Campbell go.. I hope that isn't true. I would rather have JC with a rookie for competition[/quote]

I heard that as well but usually PK is wrong and plus he hates the skins. Judging by the press conference I would think the complete opposite. Shannahan sounded like Campbell was going to be here next year as if it was a done deal.

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[quote=Gtothearry;651597]I heard that as well but usually PK is wrong and plus he hates the skins. Judging by the press conference I would think the complete opposite. [B]Shannahan sounded like Campbell was going to be here next year as if it was a done deal.[/B][/quote]

Well Zorn was talking like he had off-season plans and we all knew what was going on there. ;)

Just saying that at this point who the hell knows what's going to happen with the team. I get the feeling there may be some surprise cuts.

Re: Jason Campbells response to Portis
 

JC has 1yr. If we shore up the o-line in the 1st and 3rd, get a WR in a trade (Marshall) and sign a FA RB (Norwood) he can be successful.

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[quote=Son Of Man;650802][B]Funny how some you guys are blasting CP for sying the same things some of you have been posting about JC this whole season!!! [/B])[/quote]

You can't see the difference? We're just a bunch of fans griping on Warpath. Portis threw his own teammate under the bus.

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Yea.. I voted Portis.... just because i feel weve gotten fickle with em a little.
Its kinda disrespectful...
CP held this team up offensively since weve gotten him.
Now he has his 1st poor season and EVERYONES hopping on the side of our mediocre QB?

AND I LIKE CAMPBELL... this is coming from someone who like Jason Campbell as a player as well... Ive always talked about his progression as JC was being bashed by everyone on here, just to clear that up.

UNLESS CP cant handle the fact of being part of a Multi-back system and was REALLY gonna be a pain in the ass this year id release em.

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[quote=Skins4L;651699]Yea.. I voted Portis.... just because i feel weve gotten fickle with em a little.
Its kinda disrespectful...
CP held this team up offensively since weve gotten him.
Now he has his 1st poor season and EVERYONES hopping on the side of our mediocre QB?

AND I LIKE CAMPBELL... this is coming from someone who like Jason Campbell as a player as well... Ive always talked about his progression as JC was being bashed by everyone on here, just to clear that up.

UNLESS CP cant handle the fact of being part of a Multi-back system and was REALLY gonna be a pain in the ass this year id release em.[/quote]


You are wrong on every point but your last.

I cringe each time i hear the "portis is our whole offense" argument.

1st bad season? where were you in 2006, 2008, and this year?

How much more does CP have to do do his coaches and team-mates to make you take off the Portis-colored glasses??

I was just like you. Portis used to be my fav' skin in 2004 and 2005, but i quickly figured out what he was all about...u should do the same

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[quote=Skins4L;651699]Yea.. I voted Portis.... just because i feel weve gotten fickle with em a little.
Its kinda disrespectful...
CP held this team up offensively since weve gotten him.
Now he has his 1st poor season and EVERYONES hopping on the side of our mediocre QB?

AND I LIKE CAMPBELL... this is coming from someone who like Jason Campbell as a player as well... Ive always talked about his progression as JC was being bashed by everyone on here, just to clear that up.

UNLESS CP cant handle the fact of being part of a Multi-back system and was REALLY gonna be a pain in the ass this year id release em.[/quote]

This has got nothing to do with on field performance, we're talking about his comments only, and his inability to censor himself when it comes to just about anybody it seems. It's not like this is the first time CP has thrown someone under the bus. I defended him in the past but now I'm done.

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[quote=Mattyk;651750]This has got nothing to do with on field performance, we're talking about his comments only, and his inability to censor himself when it comes to just about anybody it seems. It's not like this is the first time CP has thrown someone under the bus. I defended him in the past but now I'm done.[/quote]

Its obvious as far as on-field performance, that he talks a bigger game than he plays....Portis is done, people need to face the facts.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;651756]Its obvious as far as on-field performance, that he talks a bigger game than he plays....Portis is done, people need to face the facts.[/quote]

I just think it's funny that some want to talk about past performance and how that should somehow give CP a pass... the guy hasn't done squat since the first half of the 2008 season. Since then he looks like he hit a serious wall.

I'm still holding out hope that Shanahan can whip him back into shape and get 15 quality carries out of him per game, but I'm in a big time wait and see approach with him.

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[quote=Skins4L;651699]CP held this team up offensively since weve gotten him. Now he has his 1st poor season and EVERYONES hopping on the side of our mediocre QB?[/quote]CP did nothing without the OL performing well. He's lost a step (or two), plus he's a major a-hole and distraction.

[quote]UNLESS CP cant handle the fact of being part of a Multi-back system and was REALLY gonna be a pain in the ass this year id release em.[/quote]At the end of the day it's all going to boil down to money. JC is an RFA, the Skins will probably tender him a mid-range offer that won't break the bank. Portis is scheduled to make $ 10M in 2010. The Skins aren't going to pay $ 10M for a RB getting 15 (probably medicore) carries per game. Plus in an uncapped year there won't be a cap hit. The Skins need to unload all their bad contracts this off-season, starting March 1.

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Running backs need good linemen just as much as a QB.
Chris Johnson would struggle breaking a 1000 yards on our team.

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[quote=jamf;651789]Running backs need good linemen just as much as a QB.
Chris Johnson would struggle breaking a 1000 yards on our team.[/quote]

Chris Johnson would also struggle with CP's speed and mileage.

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[quote=Ruhskins;652152]Chris Johnson would also struggle with CP's speed and mileage.[/quote]

Snap!

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Portis is like a school with out a bell......
Portis should go play with that team Pacman Jones plays on...they are both selfish assholes.

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[quote=Defensewins;652164]Portis is like a school with out a bell......
Portis should go play with that team Pacman Jones plays on...they are both selfish assholes.[/quote]

+ 10

Portis will play on that team next year hopefully....the unemployed team

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I guess my main thing is that Portis was way outta line for calling any (current) teammate out in a public forum. Going to the coaches about Sellers might have been justified as a best-interest-of-team thing, but this is just selfish. He's trying to point fingers and deflect blame. God knows, Campbell has had enough fingers pointed his direction.

However, I can't side with the folks that say get rid of Portis...He may not be what he used to be, but he is still a valuable member of our team and can still contribute next year. Even taking into account all of his issues, I think we are a better team with him on the roster (not necessarily starting). The bottom line is that I'm curious to see how he does with a Shanahan line and I think he is worth the "risk" of holding on to. Hopefully they will have aired their differences out and moved on.

At least he didn't go all Gilbert Arenas on JC.

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[quote=Rajmahal33;652255]I guess my main thing is that Portis was way outta line for calling any (current) teammate out in a public forum. Going to the coaches about Sellers might have been justified as a best-interest-of-team thing, but this is just selfish. He's trying to point fingers and deflect blame. God knows, Campbell has had enough fingers pointed his direction.

However, I can't side with the folks that say get rid of Portis...He may not be what he used to be, but he is still a valuable member of our team and can still contribute next year. Even taking into account all of his issues, I think we are a better team with him on the roster (not necessarily starting). The bottom line is that I'm curious to see how he does with a Shanahan line and I think he is worth the "risk" of holding on to. Hopefully they will have aired their differences out and moved on.

At least he didn't go all Gilbert Arenas on JC.[/quote]

I agree with you on the first part...but seriously...what can Portis contribute to this team at this point??

Last season, even before he was injured, he was not running like a starting back. He wasnt running like a backup running back. He couldn't get out of his own way, stumbled over his own feet...fumbled, and just generally looked shot.....can't believe how people can still think he has something left...

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[quote=Rajmahal33;652255]I think he is worth the "risk" of holding on to.[/quote]

The "risk" i'm referring to is that he could be locker room poison under a new regime that needs a clean slate. Also his trade value diminishes every year.

I actually think that if we play this right and he has a decent season statistically, next year as a split-time back, we can trade him for more compensation then than we would have gotten this year.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;652259]I agree with you on the first part...but seriously...what can Portis contribute to this team at this point??

Last season, even before he was injured, he was not running like a starting back. He wasnt running like a backup running back. He couldn't get out of his own way, stumbled over his own feet...fumbled, and just generally looked shot.....can't believe how people can still think he has something left...[/quote]

I mean I hear ya, and at times have felt the same way, but sometimes i feel like he was changed from the back he was in Denver to fit the Washington system. I feel like we never got the real Clinton Portis. Ultimately, I think that's what's doing him in in terms of his lost burst, his injuries (b/c his body isnt made to take thos type of hit), and his overall dropoff in production. Through a very reliable source, I've heard that he's supposed to go through this training regimen this offseason that involves him being cutoff from everyone but the training staff. If he is around next year and if he sticks to this refocused regimen, I'd be interested to see how the revamped CP does in Shanny's system.

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I respect JC a lot more after reading his comments :)

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[quote=Rajmahal33;652268]I mean I hear ya, and at times have felt the same way, but sometimes i feel like he was changed from the back he was in Denver to fit the Washington system. I feel like we never got the real Clinton Portis. Ultimately, I think that's what's doing him in in terms of his lost burst, his injuries (b/c his body isnt made to take thos type of hit), and his overall dropoff in production. Through a very reliable source, I've heard that he's supposed to go through this training regimen this offseason that involves him being cutoff from everyone but the training staff. If he is around next year and if he sticks to this refocused regimen, I'd be interested to see how the revamped CP does in Shanny's system.[/quote]

OK i'm with you on all of that. If you look back at Denver games from when Portis was there, Portis ran outside the tackles, and the linemen were smaller and more agile than what we have. He was not a protypical redskin back. Gibbs and co. wanted him to be a pound the rock type guy, and so he was used as a workhorse here. He wasn't big or strong enough for that...so it just pretty much wore him out.

He might be able to get back in shape. I think the real question is his motivation...he has no motivation to get in shape, or practice, or attend meetings. At this point he expects to be cut and frankly, i don't think he really cares. A guy like him isn't going to change his stripes over night. He wants the job but he doesnt want to work for it.

He's done nothing in the last 2 years here to say that he's still a starter. If he gets in shape again, he might have 1 more servicible year....but that depends entirely on getting another back to help him. Portis isn't cut out for 25+ carries anymore at this point in his career...

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[quote=SolidSnake84;652216]+ 10

Portis will play on that team next year hopefully....the unemployed team[/quote]

That is what I was hinting at. These guys are not team players.
A little humility on their part of Portis would go along way.
I wonder given Shanahan's history with Portis, how this go? Will he want to keep him or dump him?