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[quote=GusFrerotte;700656]AH needs to just diffuse the situation by being honest about his apprehension about going to the 3-4 and just leave it at that. Nobody is going to really bite on a trade for AH with that ungodly salary, so he should just play it out. Who knows, maybe he can thrive in the 3-4!!![/quote]

I think it's funny that 2 yrs ago AH made a comment about how he would prefer to play in a 4-3 and now it's turned into he hates the 3-4 scheme. He chooses to work out with an organization that made him an all pro in past yrs and he lazy and selfish. He chooses to work out elswhere instead of at "voluntary" camp and he's a problem player.

It would be nice for him to come out and talk to the media even if it's in Tenn. He could easily invite the media to his work out program and show he's not sitting on his fat arse at home and spend a few min. answering questions.

I think what is more distracting is the silence in regards to all of this. Because of the silence everyone (mostly the media) are causing all this tention between fans and AH, AH and his fellow players, and the coach's. If the media could simply drop the issue and talk with him when he shows up in June everything would be great but instead of focusing on the positives, we focus on the negatives which is basically AH at this point and create a distraction so that now the players are tired of hearing it.

AH promised to show up for manditory camp. Now if he said I ain't showing up at all then there would be a story. Maybe if he said I ain't playing in a 3-4 so trade me there would be a story. I just think it's funny how a man can say I'd prefer playing in a 4-3 vs. a 3-4 and now he needs to be traded. I should sell my vehicle cause I'd prefer to be driving a Corvette.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;700656]AH needs to just diffuse the situation by being honest about his apprehension about going to the 3-4 and just leave it at that. [/quote]

Totally agree. If only he would

Of course, with new coordinators come new changes in how the game is played and Haslett is no different. The type of defense Haslett employs is a 3-4 defense, a defense Haynesworth is not familiar with at all, yet he is open to it looks forward to playing it.

“At first I was a little iffy to it because I’ve never played in the 3-4. I don’t have a clue to how it’s really played. But then I talked to him a little bit and he plans on just playing me in the middle a little bit and at end. I guess I’ll just move around and just wreak havoc; so as long as we’re doing that and I’m not just at one position, I’m fine, I’m fine with it.”

[url=http://www.backsportspage.com/beyond-the-athlete/2010/4/9/beyond-the-athlete-albert-haynesworth-part-ii.html]Beyond the Athlete: Albert Haynesworth Part II - Beyond The Athlete - Back Sports Page[/url]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;700662]JaredLameCanthearya

Munchkins responded by quickly posting 4'-3" measuring sticks on all scarecrow posts[/quote]

If I never see Jared report on the Redskins again, it will be too soon.

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[quote=SBXVII;700657]Oompa Loompas have cool pants though. Where else do you see pants with points on the sides? Well besides Germany in WW2 and old horse riding pants?[/quote]

JLC is reporting that the Oompa Loomps will wear their throw back yellow pants at some point. Rumor or fact?

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For what it's worth, I was listening to JLC and Jason Reid on [I]106 The Fan[/I] this morning and JLC still believes there is a possibility that Haynesworth will begin the season with the Redskins, but may get moved before the trading deadline, especially if the Redskins are playing good ball. There seems to be an argument, if not within the organization, definitely within the media and among fans that a divorce may be inevitable and unavoidable.

Jason Reid, whom I think is more objective and knowledgeable in his reporting of the Redskins, had some very interesting insight regarding Haynesworth's situation. In that, the team that signed Haynesworth isn't the same team he's currently playing for. JR went into detail, per multiple sources within the organization, how Haynesworth and Blache were on the phone in the beginning stages of negotiations and AH basically said during the conversation, "I'm more comfortable in scheme XYZ" and there are certain things I want to do and certain things I don't want to do. And for this to work, I need to be in the right situation. After the conversation seemed to be headed no where fast between AH and Blache, Snyder stepped in right there and said, (paraphrasing) look, we want you here and we're willing to make you happy. We should have no problem doing some of these things you feel will make you a better defensive tackle. The rest is history. From there on out, Snyder drove the process and kept Tampa Bay, among other suiters, on the sidelines.

But what Reid was really pointing out was that Snyder and Haynesworth had direct contact from the very beginning and he had his way of putting pressure on the staff, and whomever else, to keep Haynesworth happy. Now under Shanny and Allen, Snyder has ceded personnel and agent contact to Bruce Allen. Whereas previously, many faces within the organization had contact with player's agents. Now there appears to be no contact, or at least nowhere near what was initially established between Snyder and Haynesworth.

So I can see why Haynesworth is probably a little sour, if that's even the case, about how things have played out. Not only has the staff and scheme changed, but there has also been a dramatic shift in the culture and the very relationship with the owner that got him here in the first place.

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[quote=12thMan;700852]For what it's worth, I was listening to JLC and Jason Reid on [I]106 The Fan[/I] this morning and JLC still believes there is a possibility that Haynesworth will begin the season with the Redskins, but may get moved before the trading deadline, especially if the Redskins are playing good ball. There seems to be an argument, if not within the organization, definitely within the media and fans that a divorce may be inevitable and unavoidable.

Jason Reid, whom I think is more objective and knowledgeable in his reporting of the Redskins, had some very interesting insight regarding Haynesworth's situation. In that, the team that signed Haynesworth isn't the same team he's currently playing for. JR went into detail, per multiple sources within the organization, how Haynesworth and Blache were on the phone in the beginning stages of negotiations and AH basically said during the conversation, "I'm more comfortable in scheme XYZ" and there are certain things I want to do and certain things I don't want to do. And for this to work, I need to be in the right situation. After the conversation seemed to be headed no where fast between AH and Blache, Snyder stepped in right there and said, (paraphrasing) look, we want you here and we're willing to make you happy. We should have no problem doing some of these things you feel will make you a better defensive tackle. The rest is history. From there on out, Snyder drove the process and kept Tampa Bay, among other suiters, on the sidelines.

But what Reid was really pointing out was that Snyder and Haynesworth had direct contact from the very beginning and he had his way of putting pressure on the staff, and whomever else, to keep Haynesworth happy. Now under Shanny and Allen, Snyder has ceded personnel and agent contact to Bruce Allen. Whereas previously, many faces within the organization had contact with player's agents. Now there appears to be no contact, or at least nowhere near what was initially established between Snyder and Haynesworth.

So I can see why Haynesworth is probably a little sour, if that's even the case, about how things have played out. Not only has the staff and scheme changed, but there has also been a dramatic shift in the culture and the very relationship with the owner that got him here in the first place.[/quote]

Thats very intresting, so AH was pretty much was given the ok to act like a spoiled brat before he even signed with us. Allen and Shanny have FINALLY cut the direct line to DS and all the prima donna BS will finally be over. I want AH here for years to come but if he really is just acting out against the powers that be, because the new scheme. I would rather AH set on the bench all season than trade him for a 3rd or 4th round pick that there would set a president that a change is here.

Do I want to see him benched no, but I cant keep seeing us being the team that makes these horrible moves. I feel good about the direction we are going right now more than my usual optimism.

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Good god. If that is the way DS handles his football business there is no wonder why we sucked and were never rewarded with the big payoff from signing these types of guys. As another note, for the player to think that he can come in and have the owner tell the staff what to do with so and so player, really takes the coaching aspect out of things. Wonder why there has been no way to get these guys to gell? Or for that matter why we couldn't win? The Zorn and Blache experiment was doomed from the word go under that logic. No when Gibbs 2.0 ran things we were a little more organized.

Now that we have gotten rid of the dead weight and Synder turned the team over to people who really know wtf they are doing, we may finally have some success. I pray that we do so Synder learn that he needs to keep his little hands off the football team and let the guys who know how to run an organization handle the football side of things. He can still pump the Redskins Propaganda but at least now we do have some hope for a brighter future as a respectible franchise.

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Also giving a player that much control over how he is used is stupid for not only the team but also the player in general.

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[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=5186011]Dallas Cowboys receiver Roy Williams not ready to give up starting job - ESPN Dallas[/url]

I thought Owens left Dallas.

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Let him keep it. That was about as bad as the trade for ducket. No wait, its worse.

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[url=http://www.footballnewsnow.com/2010/albert-haynesworth-will-be-here-%E2%80%93-bruce-allen-on-%E2%80%98total-access%E2%80%99/]Albert Haynesworth Will Be Here – Bruce Allen on ‘Total Access’[/url]

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Nice article Matty

clearly BA hasn't been listening here:
[QUOTE]After this question, Bruce Allen didn’t miss a beat.

““Well, there’s conversations going on all the time with our players,” Allen responded, “and Albert has elected not to be a part of the volunteer program and we understand that because[B] he wants to work with his private trainer and we’ll respect that decision[/B].”
...
Well Rich, a lot of the reports that have been out there, whether its trades or things of that nature, simply aren’t true in the Albert Haynesworth situation. ...”[/QUOTE]

The Oompa Loompas are up in arms!

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And this:

[QUOTE]Rich Eisen countered, “But he has made it very clear he doesn’t want to play the defense that, uh, Jim Haslett has been brought in to install. And there‘s been a lot made about what you (being the team) – about what he can do to fit into this defense. Is there any… …are you frustrated that he hasn’t, I guess, trusted you guys in that respect and to come in and work along with you?”

After this question, Bruce Allen didn’t miss a beat.

“Well Rich, a lot of the reports that have been out there, whether its trades or things of that nature, simply aren’t true in the Albert Haynesworth situation.
[/QUOTE]

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“Well Rich, a lot of the reports that have been out there, whether its trades or things of that nature, simply aren’t true in the Albert Haynesworth situation.

But....but....but......

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Still waiting to hear/see/read AH say that he doesn't want to play in this D.

Yet somehow that's been taken as fact.

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The Redskins did measure the trade value of several of their contracted players like JC, CP, AH, etc by talking trade with other teams. When they saw they were not going get what they wanted for certain players they moved on. The fans and the media did not.

The LeBron and Cleveland situation reminds me a lot of the AH situation, only in that the media and fans in Cleveland said some really insulting things about LeBron out of anger and frustration after the final loss in Cleveland. I could not believe some of the things that were said in the media about a fairly decent guy that tries/plays hard and really wants to win a championship. Cleveland fans and media might have shot themselves in the foot, because they want and financially need him to come back. The ironic thing is now that the fans and media have spewed their venom, why would LeBron want to come back to Cleveland?

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I like how Allen says "a lot" of the reports out there about trading Haynesworth aren't true. He didnt deny that [I]some[/I] of them were.

I don't think any reasonable person doubts that if a team offered the right compensation for AH, he'd be gone and Allen and Shanahan would be pretty happy about it. But at this point, every team in the NFL has had a chance to offer the right compensation and, obviously, they were either unwilling or unable to meet our demands. The only way he gets moved in 2010 is if a stud DT on a "contending" team suffers a season-ending injury and the team panics. Baring that, Haynesworth should be here through 2010.

From Haynesworth's side, I am not backing down from my opinion that, having just received a 20MM check, he should be willing to do whatever the team asks him to do. We know that, at minimum, he has rebuffed Shanahan's, Hasletts, Allens, Phillip Danie'ls, and Donovan F. McNabb's requests/pleadings that he show up like everyone else. All will be forgiven if Haynesworth shows up for mandatory activities, gives 100% at whatever role his coaches assign him, and dominates during the regular season. But right now, those are very high expectations and Haynesworth's absence makes him look like a primadonna who care's more about himself than the team. Again, nothing we didn't know before signing him. Right now, we're getting what we paid for.

It is a legitimate story, and the media is doing their job by continuing to report on it. I don't think either JLC, the WaPo, PFT, or any other major media outlet is "making stuff up" by reporting what their sources are telling him. This won't go away until Haynesworth is traded or he starts participating in team activities.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;701022]I don't think any reasonable person doubts that if a team offered the right compensation for AH, he'd be gone and Allen and Shanahan would be pretty happy about it. But at this point, every team in the NFL has had a chance to offer the right compensation and, obviously, they were either unwilling or unable to meet our demands. The only way he gets moved in 2010 is if a stud DT on a "contending" team suffers a season-ending injury and the team panics. Baring that, Haynesworth should be here through 2010.[/quote]

I'm just curious to know what are your thoughts about the change to the 3-4 (without thinking about AH). Part of me wants to somewhat agree with folks that are saying what you are saying.

But my logical side is telling me that it is a bad idea to switch to the 3-4. That making this switch is creating needs on defense that we didn't have before and that it seems that this new coaching staff is willing to gamble in making several players on defense play a new position. With this in mind, it is a bit hard to ignore AH saying that he wants to play a position that will make him more effective.

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[quote=Ruhskins;701054]I'm just curious to know what are your thoughts about the change to the 3-4 (without thinking about AH). Part of me wants to somewhat agree with folks that are saying what you are saying.

But my logical side is telling me that it is a bad idea to switch to the 3-4. That making this switch is creating needs on defense that we didn't have before and that it seems that this new coaching staff is willing to gamble in making several players on defense play a new position. With this in mind, it is a bit hard to ignore AH saying that he wants to play a position that will make him more effective.[/quote]

I think switching to a 3-4 base defense in 2010 is completely retarded. We had a Top 10 defense in 2010 with a uber-conservative DC that had two of our top potential playmakers playing out of position (3 if you want to include misusing haynesworth). Additionally, the defense was also hurt because our innept offense couldnt score points and the HC made stupid calls that constantly put our defense in tough spots.

Shanahan's offense and play-calling alone would indirectly improve our defense. Move Landry to SS, Orakpo to full-time 4-3 DE, and let Hasletts more aggressive calling work its magic. In my mind, those changes alone would make our defense top 5. Instead, I don't see any way our defense is not in the bottom 10 of the league in 2010. we've simply got too many guys on the roster who don't really fit anywhere in the system and/or who are playing out of their natural position now. IMO Haynesworth is, by far, the best player on our defense, if not the entire team, and the coaches should be doing everything as possible to get the most out of him. Shanahan and Hasletts forcing the 3-4 on the team now is no different than Cerrato forcing the WCO on Jason Campbell. Its a square peg and a round hole. Eventually, you can make it ok, but the coaches are just making a problem when there doesnt need to be one. Great coaches are supposed to adapt their systems to their personnel. All teams run a little bit of everything to confuses offenses, and i'm not averse to the team going to a base 3-4 eventually. But doing it in 2010 is just further evidence that Shanahan is still a moron when it comes to defense.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;700911]Good god. If that is the way DS handles his football business there is no wonder why we sucked and were never rewarded with the big payoff from signing these types of guys. As another note, for the player to think that he can come in and have the owner tell the staff what to do with so and so player, really takes the coaching aspect out of things. Wonder why there has been no way to get these guys to gell? Or for that matter why we couldn't win? The Zorn and Blache experiment was doomed from the word go under that logic. No when Gibbs 2.0 ran things we were a little more organized.

Now that we have gotten rid of the dead weight and Synder turned the team over to people who really know wtf they are doing, we may finally have some success. I pray that we do so Synder learn that he needs to keep his little hands off the football team and let the guys who know how to run an organization handle the football side of things. He can still pump the Redskins Propaganda but at least now we do have some hope for a brighter future as a respectible franchise.[/quote]

Even under Gibbs 2.0 things were a little laxed at Redskins Park. Again, Jason Reid was talking about how under Jim Zorn players would be in the weight room very chatty and not really into it. Under Shanny it's more intense, focused, and the climate has definitely shifted. I don't think anyone is suggesting that players didn't workout under Zorn or Gibbs, but I get the sense that they were going through the motions and just punching the clock.

The one thing that I keep hearing over and over again is that for the first time in a long time, perhaps since Snyder has owned the team, there is an air of professionalism at Redskins Park. They are actually run like an NFL organization from top to bottom, and they're not doing things and bringing in players by the seat of their pants. Bruce Allen has plan in place; Shanahan has a plan in place.

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[quote=12thMan;701066]Even under Gibbs 2.0 things were a little laxed at Redskins Park. Again, Jason Reid was talking about how under Jim Zorn players would be in the weight room very chatty and not really into it. Under Shanny it's more intense, focused, and the climate has definitely shifted. I don't think anyone is suggesting that players didn't workout under Zorn or Gibbs, but I get the sense that they were going through the motions and just punching the clock.

The one thing that I keep hearing over and over again is that for the first time in a long time, perhaps since Snyder has owned the team, there is an air of professionalism at Redskins Park. [B]They are actually run like an NFL organization from top to bottom,[/B] and they're not doing things and bringing in players by the seat of their pants. Bruce Allen has plan in place; Shanahan has a plan in place.[/quote]

Agreed. Its a nice starting point.

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well, if we are going to switch to a 3-4, i think it is going to take a year or so to implement the system and turn over the personel to fit the 3-4.

its going to take atleast a year to make the switch, so why not do it this year when we are in a full flux of change. That way, next year, we already went through the transition period and am ready to roll full steam with the 3-4 in 2011.

plus, it seems we are going to ease our way into the 3-4, not commit fully to the scheme this year.

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[quote=over the mountain;701069]well, if we are going to switch to a 3-4, i think it is going to take a year or so to implement the system and turn over the personel to fit the 3-4.

its going to take atleast a year to make the switch, so why not do it this year when we are in a full flux of change. That way, next year, we already went through the transition period and am ready to roll full steam with the 3-4 in 2011.

plus, it seems we are going to ease our way into the 3-4, not commit fully to the scheme this year.[/quote]

good points

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[quote=12thMan;701066]Even under Gibbs 2.0 things were a little laxed at Redskins Park. Again, Jason Reid was talking about how under Jim Zorn players would be in the weight room very chatty and not really into it. Under Shanny it's more intense, focused, and the climate has definitely shifted. I don't think anyone is suggesting that players didn't workout under Zorn or Gibbs, but I get the sense that they were going through the motions and just punching the clock.

The one thing that I keep hearing over and over again is that for the first time in a long time, perhaps since Snyder has owned the team, there is an air of professionalism at Redskins Park. They are actually run like an NFL organization from top to bottom, and they're not doing things and bringing in players by the seat of their pants. Bruce Allen has plan in place; Shanahan has a plan in place.[/quote]

I'm paraphrasing, but I read a NFL.com chat the other day with JLC and he said the Skins are a real organization again from the top down thanks to Allen/Shanahan. He said the sleeping giant is awake.

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yeah this is an exciting time. for the first time in 11 years our coach is not 1) an interim coach (robiskie) 2) a lazy college coach trying to make the transition to the nfl (spurrier) 3) has not been out of the nfl in every capacity for a decade (gibbs) 4) is not a last resort option and placeholder (zorn).

really marty was the only legit coach we had. while he went 0-6, he did go 6-0 to end the season.

im really really excited. coaching is huge in the nfl imo. more so than hockey, baseball and basketball combined.

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[quote=over the mountain;701069]well, [B]if we are going to switch to a 3-4,[/B] i think it is going to take a year or so to implement the system and turn over the personel to fit the 3-4.

its going to take atleast a year to make the switch, so why not do it this year when we are in a full flux of change. That way, next year, we already went through the transition period and am ready to roll full steam with the 3-4 in 2011.

plus, it seems we are going to ease our way into the 3-4, not commit fully to the scheme this year.[/quote]

I guess that's my main issue. Given our current roster, switching to a 3-4 now makes no sense. Switching to a 3-4 makes sense when a team is young. However, the vast majority of our defense is at or past its prime.
In three years, when the "real" part of Haynesworth's contract is up, and Andre Carter, London Fletcher, and Phillip Daniels have all retired would seem to be the ideal time to siwtch... if we even decided to switch. I know the 3-4 defense is "trendy" right now, but its not like the 4-3 defense is obsolete.

To me, it seems like we're forcing the 3-4 just for the sake of having it. With the potential exception of Orakpo, every single defensive starter and the majority of our backups from 2009 is a prototypical 4-3 defensive player. Whereas before, we had great depth with guys like Lorenzo Alexander, Chris Wilson, and Jeremy Jarmon, now I wonder if any of these guys will even be on the team in 2011. Seems like an awful waste of existing talent to me.

However, I do agree that we will probably not run as much 3-4 as most "3-4" teams. I honestly wouldnt be surprised if we pretty much only play 3-4 when Haynesworth is "injured" or taking a breather.

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[quote=over the mountain;701069]well, if we are going to switch to a 3-4, i think it is going to take a year or so to implement the system and turn over the personel to fit the 3-4.

its going to take atleast a year to make the switch, so why not do it this year when we are in a full flux of change. That way, next year, we already went through the transition period and am ready to roll full steam with the 3-4 in 2011.

plus, it seems we are going to ease our way into the 3-4, not commit fully to the scheme this year.[/quote]


We don't have the personnel yet so net year when we go out and get the personnel we will have to teach the system again.

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idk, i dont think anyones opinion on this is wrong. but i do believe shanny, allen and haslett have personally placed a 3-5 year window of achieving success here.

if they believe that the 3-4 is the superior D scheme, i understand their interest in implementing it right away (or atleast starting to ease into it) so that 2-3 years from now they can reasonably expect success vs waiting 2-3 years when fletch, Ah are gone then trying to implement the 3-4.

From day one when allen got here it was apparent we are working and will do everything we can to be a consistent contender in a year or two, if not right now.

waiting 2-3 years for the older vets on our roster to be gone would waste 2-3 years orakpo, jarmon and others could be learning. orakpo is going to be a cornerstone of our D for years to come, getting him used to outside 3-4 is important.

i dont see why we cant introduce the scheme, use it soemtimes in real live action and make methodical decisions re. the new players we bring in.

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[quote=Mattyk;701099]I'm paraphrasing, but I read a NFL.com chat the other day with JLC and he said the Skins are a real organization again from the top down thanks to Allen/Shanahan. He said the sleeping giant is awake.[/quote]

I guess what I'm most encouraged about, as weird as this may sound, is that even if we don't have a stellar season, it won't be due to incompetence. I have a feeling that teams will actually have to outplay the Redskins to beat them this year. You have to figure this team is at least 3 games better than last years squad.

We'll have our share of injuries, set backs or what have you, but we'll also go into game more prepared and ready to compete. Last year it was anyone's guess which Redskins would show up from one week to the next. To me that was most frustrating thing about the Zorn era, and to a lesser extent the Gibbs 2.0. We were never Detroit or Oakland bad, but we struggled with those bastards week in and week out. Along those lines, I think Donovan McNabb brings a dimension of game day readiness that we've lacked for years at the quarterback position. There's not too much that's going to surprise this guy in the NFC East this year.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;701129]We don't have the personnel yet so net year when we go out and get the personnel we will have to teach the system again.[/quote]

We aren't going to get all the personnel on defense next year, and the ones who succeed and stay will help those coming in grasp the concept.

I have no idea about the rightness/wrongness of transitioning to a 3-4, and I'm waiting to see about Haslett. BUT, Green Bay last year was in the exact same predicament, and they went ahead with the transition, and had a pretty good D. We have some players on our team, and regardless of system, they are going to bring it every game, Orakpo, Fletch, (I say) AH, Rodgers will stop the WR, Hall will pick some balls off. Our D can be effective, in transition, and then we will re-evaluate after our last game in February :)

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;701129]We don't have the personnel yet so net year when we go out and get the personnel we will have to teach the system again.[/quote]

agreed we dont have every player we need right now but we got some pieces. also, i dont think it is wise to wait until next year to start collecting the personnel. we have already started adding pieces with kemo, carrikter (sp), that lb we drafted in the 4th (hill?).

include those guys with orakpo, jarmon, blades and we have a good bit of guys who are going to be here (or atleast expected to be in our future plans) who need to be coached up on the 3-4.

that way, next year when we draft another 3-4 lb or DL, all those guys i just listed above have already played a year under the scheme and all we have to do is bring 1 or 2 rookies up to speed.

we arent canonballing ourselves into the deep end. we are taking baby steps in the shallow part of the pool and as we add more pieces and get more comfortable over the next year or two we will find ourselves swimming in the deep end with no problems.

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I don't think we're nearly as short on the necessary pieces for a 3-4 as some want to think. I'm guessing the staff knows what they're doing.

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I beleive in our FO & i'm sure we will pick up more players that fit the 3-4 as they get released from other camps but we need depth, think about our OL last yr that's what killed us no depth we have depth for a 4-3 DF but not a 3-4 IMO.


HTTR.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;701022]I like how Allen says "a lot" of the reports out there about trading Haynesworth aren't true. He didnt deny that [I]some[/I] of them were. [/quote]
You expect him to say ALL of the reports? Knowing that he couldn't have possibly read them all?

Jesus man, take the tin foil hat off.

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[quote=Mattyk;701139]I don't think we're nearly as short on the necessary pieces for a 3-4 as some want to think. I'm guessing the staff knows what they're doing.[/quote]
Exactly.. and when making a switch you'll be a bit short. I mean if we were perfectly ideal for a 3-4 team we wouldn't have been a 4-3 to begin with. Why wait to switch?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;701064]I think switching to a 3-4 base defense in 2010 is completely retarded. We had a Top 10 defense in 2010 with a uber-conservative DC that had two of our top potential playmakers playing out of position (3 if you want to include misusing haynesworth). Additionally, the defense was also hurt because our innept offense couldnt score points and the HC made stupid calls that constantly put our defense in tough spots.

Shanahan's offense and play-calling alone would indirectly improve our defense. Move Landry to SS, Orakpo to full-time 4-3 DE, and let Hasletts more aggressive calling work its magic. In my mind, those changes alone would make our defense top 5. Instead, I don't see any way our defense is not in the bottom 10 of the league in 2010. we've simply got too many guys on the roster who don't really fit anywhere in the system and/or who are playing out of their natural position now. IMO Haynesworth is, by far, the best player on our defense, if not the entire team, and the coaches should be doing everything as possible to get the most out of him. Shanahan and Hasletts forcing the 3-4 on the team now is no different than Cerrato forcing the WCO on Jason Campbell. Its a square peg and a round hole. Eventually, you can make it ok, but the coaches are just making a problem when there doesnt need to be one. Great coaches are supposed to adapt their systems to their personnel. All teams run a little bit of everything to confuses offenses, and i'm not averse to the team going to a base 3-4 eventually. But doing it in 2010 is just further evidence that Shanahan is still a moron when it comes to defense.[/quote]

THIS!

...Shanahan, Haslett and Allen should be grilled come the regular season when the defense takes a big step backward. I mean we bring in these super smart football guys to replace a coke-head toady working w/ Snyder and the first thing they do, literally, is take the strongest facet of the team and blow it UP. That's just stupid. Fans and media should put them through the ringer when the defense is underwhelming.

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I finally saw the NFL Network Replay of Total Access, with the Bruce Allen. If Albert comes in good shape and plays well in camp all is forgiven for now. He will play and we will all just have to see how well Albert handles the media and his team through out the year. He could just come in and play where ever he is intructed to with all his might or he comes in and creates a distraction for the team.

Then we will all see how it goes down. He could be here for the length of his contract and realizes that he can still be disruptive in this scream, and be great. It is all how Haslett uses the guy. If he has to play nose all the time he probably wont be to happy and gone soon. Now if we play Haynesworth, Kemo/ or one of the other guys we have for nose, Daniels/Carriker. I would tend to think we have a high rate of success with that line in a 3-4.

Where does Andrer Carter fit into our plans. If haslet wants guys at 315 Andre is going to be a LB. I just find that a bit of a waste there. he is not good in coverage at all. He is to slow for a LB, but has great speed at DE. Andre has never been good in coverage. He is a natural DE. I really wish there was a market for him, because he can play. Hell if we were wishing I would want him still here and still be playing a 4-3, then all of this AH talk would be for nothing as i am sure it would not have been so over blown by the media.

Any way I want AH here and playing well, but I am also tired of hearing about all of this shit. LOL

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[quote=The Goat;701250]THIS!

...Shanahan, Haslett and Allen should be grilled come the regular season when the defense takes a big step backward. I mean we bring in these super smart football guys to replace a coke-head toady working w/ Snyder and the first thing they do, literally, is take the strongest facet of the team and blow it UP. That's just stupid. Fans and media should put them through the ringer when the defense is underwhelming.[/quote]

I understand the skepticism however i'm sure that their plan extends past just this year and if we're able to already evaluate the future performances of our players for this year we'd probably have jobs at the park or with any other organization for that matter

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[quote=Mattyk;701139]I don't think we're nearly as short on the necessary pieces for a 3-4 as some want to think. I'm guessing the staff knows what they're doing.[/quote]


I think we have made very good moves thus far, but I have to disagree about the not being short bit, especially at LB. Our depth sucked at the 4-3 at LB. THe addition of the LB from LSU was great, but we will need to draft another LB or two next season I think. Fletch isn't getting any younger, and the depth still sucks. Hopefully McIntosh will step it up to prove he is a real gamer.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;701129]We don't have the personnel yet so net year when we go out and get the personnel we will have to teach the system again.[/quote]
The correct personnel will not really have to learn as much as those not already geared for this system that's part of what makes them the correct guys .. there will be the new players each and every year to teach though.. that goes for every other team as well