Re: Haynesworth to the Patriots for a 5th rounder.
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;819227]Let's talk assumptions here. Was it reasonable to assume that AH would continue to be a big ass distraction?

First, AH hated Shanahan - that is well documented and he has not take one inch of it back. He made absolutely nothing in the way of concillatory gestures to the team, coach, fans. If he had (i.e "I was being a little intransigent last year, I may have been wrong in my approach"), we most certainly would have heard about it. Barring a true, come-to-Jesus moment, the AH/MS relationship was far to gone to be fixed given the personalities involved.

In light of this damaged relationship, I would suggest that unless AH [I]completely[/I] submitted to the Shanny way, he would have been a distraction b/c media, fans, etc. would be looking for friction to blow out of proportion - every play would have been analyzed to determine if AH was truly playing in line. Given how bad things got, it was not going to be a "we kissed, made up and are now bestest pals" turnaround. The circus would have continued even if AH played well ("Now that AH is playing well on 3rd downs, do you see an expanded role for him? Why now? Why not?, etc.").

Even if you don't accept that AH playing well was not a necessary cure to the problem, is it reasonable to assume AH had changed the attitudes that contributed to the problem? I suggest no.

AH reporting to camp is not a concillatory gesture, it is merely minimal compliance and in keeping with his actions last year. He never - to my knowledge - said "I am not going to do that". He just gave half assed attempts when put in situations he didn't like. Unless there is something to suggest he changed his ways, going to camp is nothing more than a continuation of his passive-aggressive compliance.

Last year, AH's attitudes and actions contributed to the circus that was AH. While never refusing a "direct order", Haynesworth made comments, took actions and demonstrated in every possible way that Albert was going to do it Albert's way or no way. To date, AH has done [I]nothing[/I] to disavow his behavior from last year.

In light of his prior year's affirmative actions and his failure to disclaim those actions and attitudes, the reasonable assumption is not that he had been reached and had a professional epiphany. Rather, the more reasonable assumption is that AH intended to continue being Albert and create the same distractions he did last year.

Dear God, did I just write all that on Fatal Bert? Damn you Schneed, you made my ham sandwich taste bad.[/quote]

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Unless I see something interesting on this thread, here are my closing thoughts (a la Springer).

I really don't care what Albert Haynesworth does and personally I don't think any Redskins fan should care.

I hope the team has learned its lesson about paying a lot of money to troubled players.

And I would like for this team to take a page out of the Patriots and be ready to cut or trade any player that doesn't get with the plan.

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[quote=Ruhskins;819241]Unless I see something interesting on this thread, here are my closing thoughts (a la Springer).

[B]I really don't care what Albert Haynesworth does and personally I don't think any Redskins fan should care.

I hope the team has learned its lesson about paying a lot of money to troubled players.

And I would like for this team to take a page out of the Patriots and be ready to cut or trade any player that doesn't get with the plan[/B].[/quote]

Seconded.

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Albert Haynesworth knows how to talk the talk to the fanbase like a master seducer/seductress. After the successful seduction, he then proceeds to embark on actions not true to his word. As has already pointed out, his initial comment when he signed here should have given off the aura that he was going to be a good character guy. Instead, we get a promise-breaking loser with a criminal record to boot. Albert Haynesworth is the lemon-selling car dealer or the well paid tenant who promises to pay rent but somehow has a shitty credit score.

Sweet words, but sour products.

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[quote=Schneed10;819176]I trash psychologists?

:confused:[/quote]

Oh, you know, guys who are work in human resources or study human resources are often psychologists. ;)

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6811622/albert-haynesworth-washington-redskins-traded-new-england-patriots-sources-say]Albert Haynesworth of Washington Redskins traded to New England Patriots, sources say - ESPN[/url]

didnt realize that AH reworked his contract with NE 5 days ago, terms yet to be disclosed. How the heck is he practicing then?
Oh well, i done with AH.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;819401]Oh, you know, guys who are work in human resources or study human resources are often psychologists. ;)[/quote]

Well I do hate HR.

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[YT]zn9XJGDDdk8[/YT]

[quote]The coaches are trying to teach the 3-4, and most of the players are loving the new system, except Albert.[/quote]

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[quote=Dirtbag59;820317][YT]zn9XJGDDdk8[/YT][/quote]

Albert Haynesworth doesn't like the 3-4? Who knew?

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[quote=Dirtbag59;820317][YT]zn9XJGDDdk8[/YT][/quote]

Love The Wire reference. Awesome.

It's funny about AH's comments. The negative environment was mainly due to his behavior. Take some responsibility.

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Ai_MEgHX63qrTAcNC_P_c4k5nYcB?slug=jc-cole-haynesworth_ochocinco_patriots_080411]Haynesworth, Ochocinco rejuvenated with Pats - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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Haynesworth misses two practices, Belichick signed DE Shaun Ellis and Mark Anderson. Interesting.

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Who cares.

[QUOTE=ragin98;820933]Who cares.[/QUOTE]

Certainly not as rage inducing as finding out the Redskins and Bills are playing in Toronto

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[quote=12thMan;820929]Haynesworth misses two practices, Belichick signed DE Shaun Ellis and Mark Anderson. Interesting.[/quote]

Don't worry, AH will dominate even if he doesn't know crap about the playbook. /sarcasm

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[quote=Ruhskins;819241]Unless I see something interesting on this thread, here are my closing thoughts (a la Springer).

I really don't care what Albert Haynesworth does and personally I don't think any Redskins fan should care.

I hope the team has learned its lesson about paying a lot of money to troubled players.

And I would like for this team to take a page out of the Patriots and be ready to cut or trade any player that doesn't get with the plan.[/quote]

Until next time, take care of yourself and each other. (a la springer)

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Re: Haynesworth to the Patriots for a 5th rounder.
 

Andre Carter is also going to NE

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That means they're definitely running a lot of four line fronts this year with the signing of Carter.

The redskins scraps are the patriots treasures!

Re: Haynesworth to the Patriots for a 5th rounder.
 

[quote=Ruhskins;819241]Unless I see something interesting on this thread, here are my closing thoughts (a la Springer).

I really don't care what Albert Haynesworth does and personally I don't think any Redskins fan should care.

I hope the team has learned its lesson about paying a lot of money to troubled players.

And I would like for this team to take a page out of the Patriots and be ready to cut or trade any player that doesn't get with the plan.[/quote]


I agree with everything here but i would add on to you last thought. Like the Patriots i would also focus on adjusting your schemes to fit player talent, something that Belichick is great at. If you have more 4-3 guys then run more 4-3 plays.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;820944]Until next time, take care of yourself and each other. (a la springer)[/quote]

Damn it, I knew I forgot to say something! LOL.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/09/haynesworth-is-day-to-day-with-undisclosed-injury/]Haynesworth is day-to-day with undisclosed injury | ProFootballTalk[/url]

New team, same shit...lol

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Belichick is surprising me...AH and AC equals half our old d-line. Could it be there was big time potential in the group we had lol? I will say if the Pats defense is better than ours fans should have some strong words for our coaches/front office.

...as others have intimated the truly great coaches build a scheme around the talent on the roster. Last season we tried to fit a square peg into a round hole. Hopefully Haslett has a roster that better fits his scheme (whatever that is).

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[quote=NC_Skins;821578][URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/09/haynesworth-is-day-to-day-with-undisclosed-injury/"]Haynesworth is day-to-day with undisclosed injury | ProFootballTalk[/URL]

New team, same shit...lol[/quote]

Exiled1 says: Aug 9, 2011 3:13 PM Haynesworthless has a strained fat roll.


capslockkey says: Aug 9, 2011 3:18 PM I think I’d put him in the ‘meal-to-meal’ category.


dcsween says: Aug 9, 2011 3:21 PM Being out of shape is not an injury.


[URL="http://nav711.wordpress.com/"]nav711[/URL] says: Aug 9, 2011 3:26 PM [B]Somebody in Washington is laughing[/B].

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[quote=The Goat;821592]Belichick is surprising me...AH and AC equals half our old d-line. Could it be there was big time potential in the group we had lol? I will say if the Pats defense is better than ours fans should have some strong words for our coaches/front office.

...as others have intimated the truly great coaches build a scheme around the talent on the roster. Last season we tried to fit a square peg into a round hole. Hopefully Haslett has a roster that better fits his scheme (whatever that is).[/quote]

Darth Hoody somehow finds a way to get old players and/or head cases to produce on his defense.

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[quote=Hog1;821593]Exiled1 says: Aug 9, 2011 3:13 PM Haynesworthless has a strained fat roll.


capslockkey says: Aug 9, 2011 3:18 PM I think I’d put him in the ‘meal-to-meal’ category.


dcsween says: Aug 9, 2011 3:21 PM Being out of shape is not an injury.


[URL="http://nav711.wordpress.com/"]nav711[/URL] says: Aug 9, 2011 3:26 PM [B]Somebody in Washington is laughing[/B].[/quote]

I laughed harder at the first three than I did the final one.

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Somebody's laughing?

Try everyone.

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[quote=Mattyk;821748]Somebody's laughing?

Try everyone.[/quote]

Bet people aren't so upset about getting a fifth for him now. Thank god we let him go when we did, otherwise he might've gotten injured walking through the building at Redskins Park and intentionally sabotaged all his trade value.

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[url=http://www.necn.com/08/10/11/Pats-restructure-Haynesworth-Ochocinco-c/landing_sports.html?blockID=547418&feedID=3352]Pats restructure Haynesworth, Ochocinco contracts[/url]

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What a POS

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[quote=skinsfaninok;822019]What a POS[/quote]

You don't have to be nice about it...

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I usually wish guys well but in the case of fatass Albert I hope he stinks up New England and is done for good. Hopefully he is saving his money, burgers and lawyers aint cheap.

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The only time we should care about anything Haynesworth does is on December 11th, 2011 from 1PM to around 4 PM. Actually we should also care about what he does on 10/16 (Cowboys), 11/06 (Giants), and 11/27 (Eagles). But other then that...wait hold on I got to make sure I cover all my bases. Okay so if there's a tiebreaker with strength of schedule.........

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Stainsworth cut rumor?
Sounds kinda weird.

[url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFP-Sunday-Blitz-9496.html]NFP Sunday Blitz | National Football Post[/url]

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If he does get cut I can see him going to Philly right away. I am not sure I care or not....is it possible this guy is done as a player? Hes just a few years removed from being dominant but he clearly has some issues and he has basically been out of football for two years now.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;823286]Stainsworth cut rumor?
Sounds kinda weird.

[url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFP-Sunday-Blitz-9496.html]NFP Sunday Blitz | National Football Post[/url][/quote]

I wonder how much of it is his doing..... Trying to manipulate the system. If he plays half assed then maybe the team will cut him and he can go where he has wanted to all along, the Eagles.

Honestly I hope he does end up in Phillip so we can expose his weakness and really make him look bad.

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It's just a rumor and even if it isn't Haynesworth just hasn't been practicing much since he landed in NE. If he can't make it there, I think he's well on his way to becoming a journeyman in the NFL.

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I think its safe to say that no matter where he ends up, he will never be worth $100 million

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[quote=SBXVII;823305]I wonder how much of it is his doing..... Trying to manipulate the system. [B]If he plays half assed then maybe the team will cut him and he can go where he has wanted to all along, the Eagles. [/B]
Honestly I hope he does end up in Phillip so we can expose his weakness and really make him look bad.[/quote]

Is that really what he wants to do? If he were to go there, then he would still have to work for a living and cooperate in some fashion with authority figures.

I think what he really wants is to be retired and living in luxury on Dan Snyder's money.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;822030]The only time we should care about anything Haynesworth does is on December 11th, 2011 from 1PM to around 4 PM. Actually we should also care about what he does on 10/16 (Cowboys), 11/06 (Giants), and 11/27 (Eagles). But other then that...wait hold on I got to make sure I cover all my bases. Okay so if there's a tiebreaker with strength of schedule.........[/quote]

Albert's revenge? We'll see

According to Jason LaCanfora of NFL Network, the top player revenge game this season will come in Week 14, when the Patriots visit FedEx Field, bringing along Albert Haynesworth to take on the Redskins.

LaCanfora writes: "It's been quite some time since we've seen a motivated and determined Albert Haynesworth on the loose. But ... we know he'll be looking to bring that full fury when he faces the Redskins in Week 14. ...

"The chance to go against Washington's weak offensive line and send a message to [Mike] Shanahan will be all the fire he needs. Trust me, for that Sunday, if nothing else, Haynesworth will come alive."

You think so? Or maybe, by Week 14, the Redskins version of Haynesworth will have surfaced in New England and made Coach Hoodie wonder why he even bothered to put him on the roster.

Albert may find the Redskins offensive line not to be as weak as one might think......and that revenge can be a double edge sword. He may find the Redskins willing and ready to exact their own form of revenge against the one player who disrupted much of their 2010 season.

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[quote=Longtimefan;823331]Albert's revenge? We'll see

According to Jason LaCanfora of NFL Network, the top player revenge game this season will come in Week 14, when the Patriots visit FedEx Field, bringing along Albert Haynesworth to take on the Redskins.

LaCanfora writes: "It's been quite some time since we've seen a motivated and determined Albert Haynesworth on the loose. But ... we know he'll be looking to bring that full fury when he faces the Redskins in Week 14. ...

"The chance to go against Washington's weak offensive line and send a message to [Mike] Shanahan will be all the fire he needs. Trust me, for that Sunday, if nothing else, Haynesworth will come alive."

You think so? Or maybe, by Week 14, the Redskins version of Haynesworth will have surfaced in New England and made Coach Hoodie wonder why he even bothered to put him on the roster.

Albert may find the Redskins offensive line not to be as weak as one might think......and that revenge can be a double edge sword. He may find the Redskins willing and ready to exact their own form of revenge against the one player who disrupted much of their 2010 season.[/quote]

Haynesworth will be lucky if he's still on the active roster come Week 14.