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I'd be happy with Tannehill.
His fiancee aint too shabby either.

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After careful consideration, I think I want Kyle Orton. Running to a meeting. Will explain more when I return

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[quote=SmootSmack;873603]After careful consideration, I think I want Kyle Orton. Running to a meeting. Will explain more when I return[/quote]

i like orton's game a lot. he has really grown since his rookie season, and i think he could be a good fit for us. that said, if we were to get him, i still think we should draft a qb to groom for the future since orton will be 30 next year i believe.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;873603]After careful consideration, I think I want Kyle Orton. Running to a meeting. Will explain more when I return[/QUOTE]



Skinszwin and I were calling this last year

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How different is the Offensive scheme that Orton is in now compared to the Kyle Shanahan 'Popular-with-the-players-so-it-must-be-great' plan?

Yeah, I'm too lazy to Google it....

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I was on the Orton bandwagon as well. He would be a good vet to have until a rook is ready to play. And let's not even start with this silliness that he's no better than Grossman. He's been much better over his career at taking care of the ball. 80-57 TD to INT vs 56 TD to 60 INT for Rex.

Is Orton a fa? I thought kc was keeping him though

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He's set to be a FA in March

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[url=http://www.kansascity.com/2012/01/01/3348471/ortons-future-unclear-after-leading.html]Orton’s future unclear after Chiefs beat Broncos - KansasCity.com[/url]

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But are the chiefs gonna take him instead of Cassel??? Living Colorado i've seen a lot of Orton. Good very servicable. Only problem he cant win games on his own. Needs either playmakers or a good system or a good defense.

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If there was a real chance of us getting him, wouldnt we have scooped him up when the broncos released him?

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;873617]If there was a real chance of us getting him, wouldnt we have scooped him up when the broncos released him?[/quote]

maybe we didnt want to absorb his old contract for the remainder of the season

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[quote=Big C;873618]maybe we didnt want to absorb his old contract for the remainder of the season[/quote]

gotcha. i thought once they are a free agent you didnt have to do that

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[url]http://nfltraderumors.co/browns-considering-qb-matt-flynn/[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;873603]After careful consideration, I think I want Kyle Orton. Running to a meeting. Will explain more when I return[/quote]

ugh...

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;873588]It boils down to whether or not the Browns take Trent Richardson and move on with Colt McCoy and I think they will.[/quote]

you think or you hope, LOL.


cause in my mind, the browns would be absolutely silly not to take RG3 with their first pick, and the best available blindside tackle for him with their second 1st rounder. Cleveland will also want to sign someone (Dwayne Bowe, Desean Jackson) to put out there with their future big time guy (Greg Little), so there are definitly pieces in place in Cleveland to look alot better starting next year, ESPECIALLY after they snag RG3, which, sorry to say........they will.

Cleveland will look alot better starting next year, trust me. With either a more seasoned McCoy with another season under his belt and renewed confidence when they don't pick RG3 and stick it out with him, or with RG3, and a FA WR to pair with Greg Little, and hopefully that blindside protector he needs that the browns dont currently have. Either way, they will come to play next year.

God Damn do I wish we had 2 first rounders.

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[quote=musicmaster45;873615]But are the chiefs gonna take him instead of Cassel??? Living Colorado i've seen a lot of Orton. Good very servicable. Only problem he cant win games on his own. Needs either playmakers or a good system or a good defense.[/quote]

Orton over Cassel? Doubt it.

Cassel signed a 6 year $60M deal in 2009, so I doubt they would want to eat that and in turn give a deal to Orton too.

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[quote=Mattyk;873611]I was on the Orton bandwagon as well. He would be a good vet to have until a rook is ready to play. And let's not even start with this silliness that he's no better than Grossman. He's been much better over his career at taking care of the ball. 80-57 TD to INT vs 56 TD to 60 INT for Rex.[/quote]

ya, who the hell had that bandwagon in their sig, i know i was on it, considering our current lineup of Qbs on the roster

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[quote=Mattyk;873611]I was on the Orton bandwagon as well. He would be a good vet to have until a rook is ready to play. And let's not even start with this silliness that he's no better than Grossman. He's been much better over his career at taking care of the ball. 80-57 TD to INT vs 56 TD to 60 INT for Rex.[/quote]

Depends on the rookie and how long he needs to get ready. If it's 4-6 weeks then fine...but If it's a rookie like Tannehill who may need a year+ to be ready then they need to do better then Orton.

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[quote=celts32;873629]Depends on the rookie and how long he needs to get ready. If it's 4-6 weeks then fine...but If it's a rookie like Tannehill who may need a year+ to be ready [B]then they need to do better then Orton[/B].[/quote]

And that would be?

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[quote=Mechanix544;873624]you think or you hope, LOL.


cause in my mind, the browns would be absolutely silly not to take RG3 with their first pick, and the best available blindside tackle for him with their second 1st rounder. Cleveland will also want to sign someone (Dwayne Bowe, Desean Jackson) to put out there with their future big time guy (Greg Little), so there are definitly pieces in place in Cleveland to look alot better starting next year, ESPECIALLY after they snag RG3, which, sorry to say........they will.

[B][U]Cleveland will look alot better starting next year[/U][/B], trust me. With either a more seasoned McCoy with another season under his belt and renewed confidence when they don't pick RG3 and stick it out with him, or with RG3, and a FA WR to pair with Greg Little, and hopefully that blindside protector he needs that the browns dont currently have. Either way, [B]they will come to play next year[/B].

[B][U]God[/U][/B] Damn do I wish we had 2 first rounders.[/quote]

:rofl:
God is even laughing at that!!!

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[quote=Mattyk;873630]And that would be?[/quote]

Not sure right now. The answer may be that there's not a better one on the market but then my response would be that they can't aford to go with a rookie other then Luck or RG3 if the best bridge QB available is Orton.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;873631]:rofl:
God is even laughing at that!!![/quote]

alright there texas boy, write it down and we will see next year.

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[quote=Mechanix544;873624]you think or you hope, LOL.


cause in my mind, the browns would be absolutely silly not to take RG3 with their first pick, and the best available blindside tackle for him with their second 1st rounder. Cleveland will also want to sign someone (Dwayne Bowe, Desean Jackson) to put out there with their future big time guy (Greg Little), so there are definitly pieces in place in Cleveland to look alot better starting next year, ESPECIALLY after they snag RG3, which, sorry to say........they will.

Cleveland will look alot better starting next year, trust me. With either a more seasoned McCoy with another season under his belt and renewed confidence when they don't pick RG3 and stick it out with him, or with RG3, and a FA WR to pair with Greg Little, and hopefully that blindside protector he needs that the browns dont currently have. Either way, they will come to play next year.

God Damn do I wish we had 2 first rounders.[/quote]

I think.

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Here's what I'd like to see in 2012.

1st QB: Rookie QB starting (by week 5 at the latest): Let's say Nick Foles. Not any inside info here or anything, I'm just putting it out there as an example.

2nd QB: Proven veteran who can step in a pinch. Looking at the available choices. I like Orton the best, (or maybe dislike him the least?). Look, I'm not a huge Orton fan by any means and maybe (most likely) a guy like Clausen has more upside. But I just want a guy who has starts under his belt and if pressed can step into action. System be damned. Looking at the possibilities right now, to me that's Orton. What, you're asking, makes selecting Orton so much a better backup than just keeping Grossman? And why would Orton come here to be a backup? To the second question, I don't know. To the first, because I don't want the crutch of Grossman anymore. The easiest way, in my opinion, for us to move forward at the QB position is to clean house there. I'm guessing here, but I think the Shanahans would be less inclined to look to their bench and go to the backup if Foles (again, just an example) is struggling, if it's not Grossman. Just tough out with the rookie.

3rd QB: Late round, even UDFA QB. We'll say Chandler Harnish because I know they've scouted him. This is the guy (meaning the position of 3rd QB) who tears it up in preseason, who can be coached up during the season, and emerges either as a valuable backup/future starter in a year or two for the Redskins or as trade bait

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[quote=SmootSmack;873639]Here's what I'd like to see in 2012.

1st QB: Rookie QB starting (by week 5 at the latest): Let's say Nick Foles. Not any inside info here or anything, I'm just putting it out there as an example.

2nd QB: Proven veteran who can step in a pinch. Looking at the available choices. I like Orton the best, (or maybe dislike him the least?). Look, I'm not a huge Orton fan by any means and maybe (most likely) a guy like Clausen has more upside. But I just want a guy who has starts under his belt and if pressed can step into action. System be damned. Looking at the possibilities right now, to me that's Orton. What, you're asking, makes selecting Orton so much a better backup than just keeping Grossman? And why would Orton come here to be a backup? To the second question, I don't know. To the first, because I don't want the crutch of Grossman anymore. The easiest way, in my opinion, for us to move forward at the QB position is to clean house there. I'm guessing here, but I think the Shanahans would be less inclined to look to their bench and go to the backup if Foles (again, just an example) is struggling, if it's not Grossman. Just tough out with the rookie.

3rd QB: Late round, even UDFA QB. We'll say Chandler Harnish because I know they've scouted him. This is the guy (meaning the position of 3rd QB) who tears it up in preseason, who can be coached up during the season, and emerges either as a valuable backup/future starter in a year or two for the Redskins or as trade bait[/quote]

This is very similar to what I've been thinking. The only difference is that I would not use Foles as an example but would use Tannehill as a certainty.

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[quote=celts32;873623]ugh...[/quote]

I second you on that UGH....we wouldnt be any better off w/ Orton than we are with Grossman. He is not leading us to a Super Bowl, and that's the ultimate goal. Orton is who we thought he is, a game manager. Orton is my last choice, I'd rather have Flynn or Hoyer if we are going after a nfl qb, give them a chance. Orton had his time.

Ideally I want RGIII at #6 or Kirk Cousins in the 2nd round.

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[quote=Mattyk;873627]Orton over Cassel? Doubt it.

Cassel signed a 6 year $60M deal in 2009, so I doubt they would want to eat that and in turn give a deal to Orton too.[/quote]

And what I get from that link you posted is that Orton wants to go somewhere where he has a great chance to start. That might be Washington, but I just don't know about Orton. I think he has the best resume/experience out of any of the free agent QBs and probably one that wouldn't cost much to get. I think I'd still just sign Jimmy Clausen knowing he's plan B and try my best to move up to get RG III or to move down and get Tannehill. I just don't know much about Foles. Off to You Tube I go to see some clips...LOL!

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;873642]I second you on that UGH....we wouldnt be any better off w/ Orton than we are with Grossman. He is not leading us to a Super Bowl, and that's the ultimate goal. Orton is who we thought he is, a game manager. Orton is my last choice, I'd rather have Flynn or Hoyer if we are going after a nfl qb, give them a chance. Orton had his time.

Ideally I want RGIII at #6 or Kirk Cousins in the 2nd round.[/quote]

1) With Orton we are talking about a caretaker only. Someone who can start just a few games until a whippersnapper is ready.

2) You don't see Orton taking us to the Super Bowl, but you think that Hoyer or Cousins will?

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I dont know much about Kirk Cousins, but I like his size. Cant find allot of highlights. Can someone post some.

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[quote=Lotus;873641]This is very similar to what I've been thinking. The only difference is that I would not use Foles as an example but would use Tannehill as a certainty.[/quote]

Fair enough. This is what I wanted us to do last year essentially (but were unable to). Draft Locker to start, sign Matt Moore as a backup, sign a guy like Scott Tolzien to be the 3rd string.

By the way, whatever happened to Ben Chappell?

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Kyle Orton makes throws that makes you say out loud: "Hey, this guy is pretty good, I don't know why he can never get a long term contract."

And then by the end of the game, he does stuff that reminds you that you've been watching Kyle Orton this whole time.

Kyle Orton is a slightly below average NFL quarterback, which is about what Rex Grossman is. But if our system does for his numbers what it did for Grossman's, we could have slightly above average quarterback play with Orton. Of course, if it ends up turning him into McNabb 2.0....

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Cousins

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9rAeq_Y9vk&feature=related]Kirk Cousins NFL Draft Analysis - 2010 Season - YouTube[/ame]

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[quote=SmootSmack;873558]I'd be surprised if Kalil lasts even to #4. Shonka makes a valid point. I think, based on what I had heard they were set on Barkley. With him no longer in play I don't know what they're thinking really. One day it sounds like they want to move on from McCoy, others it sounds like they want to build around him, and yet others it sounds like [B]they want to bring a veteran in and have McCoy sit for a bit[/B][/quote]This would be my advice for them. You have him under contract for another two seasons, might as well bump him to number two rather than use him as a sacrificial lamb for your mediocre-at-best offense.

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[quote=GTripp0012;873652]This would be my advice for them. You have him under contract for another two seasons, might as well bump him to number two rather than use him as a sacrificial lamb for your mediocre-at-best offense.[/quote]

Explains the Jason Campbell to Browns speculation.

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[quote=SmootSmack;873653]Explains the Jason Campbell to Browns speculation.[/quote]

Cross your fingers on that!! Wouldnt that help the skins in the draft??

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[quote=SmootSmack;873646]Fair enough. This is what I wanted us to do last year essentially (but were unable to). Draft Locker to start, sign Matt Moore as a backup, sign a guy like Scott Tolzien to be the 3rd string.

[B]By the way, whatever happened to Ben Chappell?[/B][/quote]

Good question. There's likely no hope for him here since Crompton seems to be the favored flier QB for now. Right?

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;873619]gotcha. i thought once they are a free agent you didnt have to do that[/quote]

he never was a free agent, he was on waiver wire and was claimed by the chiefs, meaning they inherited his contract from denver

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[quote=Lotus;873644]1) With Orton we are talking about a caretaker only. Someone who can start just a few games until a whippersnapper is ready.

2) You don't see Orton taking us to the Super Bowl, but you think that Hoyer or Cousins will?[/quote]

Hoyer I don't want either! I just meant that I'd rather have Hoyer than Orton, at least give someone new a chance.

Ideally I want RGIII like most of us, but if not available I like Cousins in the 2nd round. He has started for a few years, has led Michigan State to good records, just beat a good Georgia team in his bowl game. I would much rather have him than Orton. He is young and can get better. Orton is as good as he will ever be, and it's not good enough. Plus Cousins is a leader download some YouTube of him talking. Players don't follow Orton.

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[quote=SmootSmack;873653]Explains the Jason Campbell to Browns speculation.[/quote]Wait, I started that speculation! (not really)