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I hope Cofield isn't too upset.

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I wish Tiki could be reached for comment on the giants and Eli in particular

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[quote=Ruhskins;882544]Not to be picky, but Brees was a HUGE risk for any team given his shoulder injury. I honestly don't remember how much of a sure thing Brees was thought off when he became a free agent. Of course we all know how things turned out, but still.[/quote]

I don't think Brees was a huge risk at all in FA. The only reason I didn't advocate signing him was because we had just drafted JC and we all thought of him as the qb of the future. If we hadn't drafted JC I'dve been all over Brees. And the huge risk thing is overrated. Yeah, he had hurt his shoulder. But it wasn't even being talked about as something that could end his career or keep him out long term. The injury was a short term concern.

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[quote=mooby;882559]I don't think Brees was a huge risk at all in FA. The only reason I didn't advocate signing him was because we had just drafted JC and we all thought of him as the qb of the future. If we hadn't drafted JC I'dve been all over Brees. And the huge risk thing is overrated. Yeah, he had hurt his shoulder. But it wasn't even being talked about as something that could end his career or keep him out long term. The injury was a short term concern.[/quote]

So you are saying that San Diego got rid of him for no reason whatsoever? The shoulder injury wasn't career ending, but it was a concern when he hit free agency. My point is that Brees wasn't a "sure thing" when he became a free agent; if he was, San Diego would not have gotten rid of him.

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Did we forget about Phillip Rivers?

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[quote=Ruhskins;882562]So you are saying that San Diego got rid of him for no reason whatsoever? The shoulder injury wasn't career ending, but it was a concern when he hit free agency. My point is that Brees wasn't a "sure thing" when he became a free agent; if he was, San Diego would not have gotten rid of him.[/quote]

San Diego had Rivers in waiting. It was obvious Brees wasn't going to be there forever. They had a choice to make and they decided to go with the younger, cheaper, and more long term option. Brees made it a tough choice since he started playing decent ball in '04 and '05, but that combo of factors played the role. Yes the injury factored into that too but I don't think it was ever a question of would he return to the same performance level. The injury was just bad timing.

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[quote=SmootSmack;882563]Did we forget about Phillip Rivers?[/quote]

Was River drafted while Brees was still the Chargers QB? I can't remember.

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[quote=Ruhskins;882565]Was River drafted while Brees was still the Chargers QB? I can't remember.[/quote]

Correct. Rivers was drafted in '04. Brees's last year in San Diego was '05.

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[quote=Ruhskins;882565]Was River drafted while Brees was still the Chargers QB? I can't remember.[/quote]

Yes. They drafted him when Brees was the starter, but he wasn't the Brees we know today. He was barely struggling to hold on to the starting job over Flutie. So in 2004 the Chargers drafted Rivers. But he held out for most of training camp so Brees was the starting QB going into the season and ended up having a monster year. Then he got franchised and had another huge year in 2005.

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[quote=mooby;882564]San Diego had Rivers in waiting. It was obvious Brees wasn't going to be there forever. They had a choice to make and they decided to go with the younger, cheaper, and more long term option. Brees made it a tough choice since he started playing decent ball in '04 and '05, but that combo of factors played the role. Yes the injury factored into that too but I don't think it was ever a question of would he return to the same performance level. The injury was just bad timing.[/quote]

Rivers wasn't cheaper, but he was younger. Once again, my point is that Brees wasn't a SURE thing like you said he was. His injury was a factor, otherwise Miami would have picked him up. Instead, they went with Culpepper. Bad choice of course, but Miami was concerned about the shoulder.

I think at some point, this team is going to take a risk in terms of getting their QB. I guess you could make the argument that they did that with McNabb, but who knows maybe they do need to pay a bit of a ransom to get an RG3 or Luck. Still, there are very few sure things out there in terms of QBs. Let's just hope any risk we take works out for once.

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[quote=Ruhskins;882571]Rivers wasn't cheaper, but he was younger. Once again, my point is that Brees wasn't a SURE thing like you said he was. His injury was a factor, otherwise Miami would have picked him up. Instead, they went with Culpepper. Bad choice of course, but Miami was concerned about the shoulder.

I think at some point, this team is going to take a risk in terms of getting their QB. [B]I guess you could make the argument that they did that with McNabb[/B], but who knows maybe they do need to pay a bit of a ransom to get an RG3 or Luck. Still, there are very few sure things out there in terms of QBs. Let's just hope any risk we take works out for once.[/quote]

McNabb wasn't injury, it was mechanics. And a desire to even play the game. Rolling the dice on a vet guy like McNabb and rolling the dice on a guy like Luck/RG3 are two totally different risks if you ask me.

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Pats have no one to blame but themselves. Way too many mistakes that ended up costing them.

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Mrs. Tom Brady throws the Pats' receivers under the bus...

[url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Gisele-takes-shot-at-Patriots-receivers-following-Super-Bowl-loss.html]Gisele takes shot at Patriots receivers following Super Bowl loss | National Football Post[/url]

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[quote=Ruhskins;882580]Mrs. Tom Brady throws the Pats' receivers under the bus...

[url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Gisele-takes-shot-at-Patriots-receivers-following-Super-Bowl-loss.html]Gisele takes shot at Patriots receivers following Super Bowl loss | National Football Post[/url][/quote]

oh boy, I think she need to talk with Darth Hoody about the "patriot way"

[QUOTE=Ruhskins;882571]Rivers wasn't cheaper, but he was younger. Once again, my point is that Brees wasn't a SURE thing like you said he was. His injury was a factor, otherwise Miami would have picked him up. Instead, they went with Culpepper. Bad choice of course, but Miami was concerned about the shoulder.

I think at some point, this team is going to take a risk in terms of getting their QB. I guess you could make the argument that they did that with McNabb, but who knows maybe they do need to pay a bit of a ransom to get an RG3 or Luck. Still, there are very few sure things out there in terms of QBs. Let's just hope any risk we take works out for once.[/QUOTE]

I said Brees was a sure thing? I don't remember saying that. I know since he was injured it was a risk but I didnt feel like it was a long term concern at the time.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;882502]The Giants are more lucky than good. I've been saying that all along. That win in Green Bay was a fluke. That win in SF was because of two miraculous special teams turnovers. I will never root for a division rival ever unless it has playoff implications for my Redskins.[/quote]

Old school when your team was out of the playoffs you cheered for your division to win the SB who ever it was. I have no problem rooting for the Giants but I could not cheer for the Cowboys or Eagles.

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Now i see why Iggles fans are the way they are.

SB's
Beagles-0
Skins-3
G-Men-4
Girls-5

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[quote=Ruhskins;882580]Mrs. Tom Brady throws the Pats' receivers under the bus...

[url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Gisele-takes-shot-at-Patriots-receivers-following-Super-Bowl-loss.html]Gisele takes shot at Patriots receivers following Super Bowl loss | National Football Post[/url][/quote]


Guess she forgot about her husband getting a safety with a intentional grounding. Guess she forgot about her husband throwing a INT. Guess she forgot that her husband threw the ball behind the receivers a few times.


Does anybody blame Tom Brady for anything? Jesus h titty ****ing christ it's sickening.


OOOOo........Tom didn't win b/c X person did this or Y person did that.

Yeeeaaahh...Tom won the game even though it was the kicker that actually won it.


It's ****ing old and god damn annoying.

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[quote=NC_Skins;882588]Guess she forgot about her husband getting a safety with a intentional grounding. Guess she forgot about her husband throwing a INT. Guess she forgot that her husband threw the ball behind the receivers a few times.


Does anybody blame Tom Brady for anything? Jesus h titty ****ing christ it's sickening.


OOOOo........Tom didn't win b/c X person did this or Y person did that.

Yeeeaaahh...Tom won the game even though it was the kicker really did.


It's ****ing old and god damn annoying.[/quote]

It's his wife. It's after the game, everyones emotions are running high and she's getting heckled. All of the so called experts said that he missed some throws so who really cares what his wife thinks.

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Totally disagree with this. But if people are looking for someone who blames Brady...

[url=http://articles.boston.com/2012-02-05/sports/31027533_1_tom-brady-wes-welker-patriots]Not so safety call: Blame Brady for this one - Boston.com[/url]

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[quote=mooby;882559]I don't think Brees was a huge risk at all in FA. The only reason I didn't advocate signing him was because we had just drafted JC and we all thought of him as the qb of the future. If we hadn't drafted JC I'dve been all over Brees. And the huge risk thing is overrated. Yeah, he had hurt his shoulder. But it wasn't even being talked about as something that could end his career or keep him out long term. The injury was a short term concern.[/quote]

Lets say Brees came here. He wouldn't be the QB he's become. Not here, not under this organization. He got with the perfect coach and a stable front office. People may not remember this but back in 04, Kurt Warner was out there. Instead the Redskins and Jow Gibbs decided to go with a past his prime Mark Brunell.

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[quote=SmootSmack;882593]Totally disagree with this. But if people are looking for someone who blames Brady...

[url=http://articles.boston.com/2012-02-05/sports/31027533_1_tom-brady-wes-welker-patriots]Not so safety call: Blame Brady for this one - Boston.com[/url][/quote]

Talk about sour grapes.

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[quote=skinsfan69;882595]Lets say Brees came here. He wouldn't be the QB he's become. Not here, not under this organization. He got with the perfect coach and a stable front office. People may not remember this but back in 04, Kurt Warner was out there. Instead the Redskins and Jow Gibbs decided to go with a past his prime Mark Brunell.[/quote]

Ahhh...hindsight

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[quote=SmootSmack;882593]Totally disagree with this. But if people are looking for someone who blames Brady...

[URL="http://articles.boston.com/2012-02-05/sports/31027533_1_tom-brady-wes-welker-patriots"]Not so safety call: Blame Brady for this one - Boston.com[/URL][/quote]

A little harsh but that comes with the territory. Brady did his part in contributing to the loss. But to be honest, Gronk was one on one with a d-linemen. You'd expect to make that play or at least not let the guy catch it.

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[quote=SmootSmack;882593]Totally disagree with this. But if people are looking for someone who blames Brady...

[url=http://articles.boston.com/2012-02-05/sports/31027533_1_tom-brady-wes-welker-patriots]Not so safety call: Blame Brady for this one - Boston.com[/url][/quote]

quite simply one of the worst articles ive ever read...made very little sense with little support. I guess anybody can write on the internet these days.

I like the one line "well if welker woulda caught that you woulda been in the clear..." Yeah i guess so.

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[quote=SmootSmack;882597]Ahhh...hindsight[/quote]

It's 20/20!

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[quote=mooby;882559]I don't think Brees was a huge risk at all in FA. The only reason I didn't advocate signing him was because we had just drafted JC and we all thought of him as the qb of the future. If we hadn't drafted JC I'dve been all over Brees. And the huge risk thing is overrated. Yeah, he had hurt his shoulder. But it wasn't even being talked about as something that could end his career or keep him out long term. The injury was a short term concern.[/quote]

He was enough of a risk that only two teams showed strong interest in him. He tore up his shoulder pretty bad if I recall. He was no lock to return to his former self.

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[quote=NC_Skins;882588]Guess she forgot about her husband getting a safety with a intentional grounding. Guess she forgot about her husband throwing a INT. Guess she forgot that her husband threw the ball behind the receivers a few times.


Does anybody blame Tom Brady for anything? Jesus h titty ****ing christ it's sickening.


OOOOo........Tom didn't win b/c X person did this or Y person did that.

Yeeeaaahh...Tom won the game even though it was the kicker really did.


It's ****ing old and god damn annoying.[/quote]

In my book when you look like this you can say anything you want because I'm not listening to what your saying anyways.

[IMG]http://cdn.tuvez.com/wp-content/uploads/gallery/gisele-bundchen/gisele-bundchen-04.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=Mattyk;882601]He was enough of a risk that only two teams showed strong interest in him. He tore up his shoulder pretty bad if I recall. He was no lock to return to his former self.[/quote]

I remember the Dolphins auditioned Brees and Daunte Culpepper to determine who was going to lead the franchise for the next however many years. They determined Culpepper was the better option. Just goes to show how one big whiff at the QB position can set you back for years and years. And on the flip side, how one homerun at QB can make you a perennial playoff team. I want a homerun oh so badly.

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[quote=Mattyk;882601]He was enough of a risk that only two teams showed strong interest in him. He tore up his shoulder pretty bad if I recall. [B]He was no lock to return to his former self[/B].[/quote]

On top of that, his "former self" had not been exactly tearing it up like he is now. His first three years were mediocre at best. Followed by two very good years (~65% completion each year, 3100 & 3500 yrds, 27 & 24TD's) - but even his two best years in SD don't compare to what he has turned in at NO (last three years he is averaging around 70% completions, 4500 yards & 35 TD's).

These last three years he has been a machine. Given his injury and the entirety of his playing history to that point, no one could have seen what was coming.

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Tom Coughlin and Eli Manning deserve a ton of credit. Both are worthy of Hall of Fame consideration. Tom Brady will go down as one the greatest ever, but the Giants simply have the Pats number on the big stage and it was good to see a little tarnish knocked off the golden boy image. .

Brady took a couple of tough shots from Tuck near the end, I wonder if that had anything to do with his drop off in play.

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[quote=Mattyk;882601]He was enough of a risk that only two teams showed strong interest in him. He tore up his shoulder pretty bad if I recall. He was no lock to return to his former self.[/quote]

I never thought it was that bad. I know if it had been the regular season, he'd have been out for a few months, but I don't recall it being a career threatening injury. I get that it was a risk, and Skinsfan69, I'm well aware that how good he is today is a perfect combination of luck, skill, and circumstances, but all I'm saying is at the time of his FA signing I felt like long term he had a good chance to put up above average numbers. Not the kind of numbers he's putting up today, but obviously no one saw that coming.

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[quote=SmootSmack;882593]Totally disagree with this. But if people are looking for someone who blames Brady...

[url=http://articles.boston.com/2012-02-05/sports/31027533_1_tom-brady-wes-welker-patriots]Not so safety call: Blame Brady for this one - Boston.com[/url][/quote]

Boston fans showing once again what moronic trash they truly are. Apparently, the other SB wins have already been forgotten. Sad.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;882633]Boston fans showing once again what moronic trash they truly are. Apparently, the other SB wins have already been forgotten. Sad.[/quote]

Boy, what a horrible article. Is it wrong that I read that article to myself in Boston fans' annoying Bostonian accent? You-ah laht us down-ah Tawmmy Brady!

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[quote=GMScud;882609]I remember the Dolphins auditioned Brees and Daunte Culpepper to determine who was going to lead the franchise for the next however many years. They determined Culpepper was the better option. Just goes to show how one big whiff at the QB position can set you back for years and years. And on the flip side, how one homerun at QB can make you a perennial playoff team. I want a homerun oh so badly.[/quote]

I think the Dolphins doctors were concerned about his shoulder and recommended against signing him.

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today at work the Giants fans are being pretty decent and gracious. Funny thing is the Cowboy fans are just livid, really pissed...i really like that

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[quote=SmootSmack;882593]Totally disagree with this. But if people are looking for someone who blames Brady...

[url=http://articles.boston.com/2012-02-05/sports/31027533_1_tom-brady-wes-welker-patriots]Not so safety call: Blame Brady for this one - Boston.com[/url][/quote]

Wow what a horrible article. Blasphemy.

Talk about spoiled... The writer should come hang out at the Warpath. He can go thru our 20 different QB threads and find Brady's replacement.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;882657]Wow what a horrible article. Blasphemy.

Talk about spoiled... The writer should come hang out at the Warpath. He can go thru our 20 different QB threads and find Brady's replacement.[/quote]

lol Your right on the money with that one CrazyC!!! Maybe they will trade us Brady for Rex straight up!!!

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;882666]lol Your right on the money with that one CrazyC!!! Maybe they will trade us Brady for Rex straight up!!![/quote]

If Rex wasn't an unrestricted FA....

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;882666]lol Your right on the money with that one CrazyC!!! Maybe they will trade us Brady for Rex [B]straight up!!![/B][/quote]


Every time I see this phrase I think of the "let's trade Jason Campbell for Chris Simms straight up" comment made a while back. LOL.