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[quote=JoeRedskin;1016299]I just wish we could free ourselves from the Great Oil Dependency so that we could let these backwaters of civilization go their own way and extinguish themselves through their own shortsighted pride.[/quote]

We could have, but we chose Hope and Change instead.


When I saw we, I don't include me. :D


But hey, look on the bright side, the oceans have receded and everyone who wants a cell phone has one.

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[url=http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/09/syria-war-authorization-money/]Senators Authorizing Syria Strike Got More Defense Cash Than Lawmakers Voting No | Threat Level | Wired.com[/url]



Your congress in action. Bought and paid for. They don't care about our soldiers, other people's lives, or what's happening in other countries.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1019714]Really? I suggest you look up Kent State shooting and see the results. Military personnel firing on protestors.

[URL="http://www.slate.com/blogs/behold/2013/05/04/may_4_1970_the_kent_state_university_shootings_told_through_pictures_photos.html"]May 4, 1970: The Kent State University shootings told through pictures (PHOTOS).[/URL]


Why do people act as if that it won't happen here? Sure, there are many military men that would refuse that order, but there are many that would not. Especially when you have your superior officers telling you that they are "terrorists" or the "bad guys". We've seen our military men blasting away civilians at ease and being quite casual about it.

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To think our own military would not fire on us is laughable at best. History and current events show otherwise.[/quote]


Since Kent state was made the example here , just a reminder that the military on campus were "reservist" (weekend warriors) not fulltime military personnel , many of them were the same age as the students .None of this makes this right but it was a different time maybe you don't think it matters but you would be wrong .

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[quote=NC_Skins;1019714] We've seen our military men blasting away civilians at ease and being quite casual about it.

To think our own military would not fire on us is laughable at best. History and current events show otherwise.[/quote]


Kent State aside being that it was 43 years ago ,when have we seen our military personnel blasting away civilians at easy as you say and please name all the other times this has happen as you say History and current events will show us ?

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[url=http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/09/08/syrian-rebels-take-christian-village/2781763/]Syrian rebels seize control of Christian village[/url]

These are the assholes our government wants to help? WTF???

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2004 Fallujah. Absolute hellhole.

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/al-qaeda-force-captures-fallujah-amid-rise-in-violence-in-iraq/2014/01/03/8abaeb2a-74aa-11e3-8def-a33011492df2_story.html"]2014 Fallujah[/URL]. About to become an absolute hellhole.

I feel disgusted that so many brave men lost their lives for this to be the result.

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I just found this headline oddly compelling, the story is less so, but it seems like the whole world is becoming bent on seeing who can bomb who first.

[url=http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/08/world/africa/libya-north-korea-threat/index.html?hpt=hp_t2]Libyan leader threatens to bomb North Korean oil tanker - CNN.com[/url]

probably just the media's need for dramatic headlines though.

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[URL="http://www.nbcnews.com/#/news/world/female-polio-worker-brutally-killed-pakistan-n60826"]Female Polio Worker Brutally Killed in Pakistan[/URL]
[I]
PESHAWAR, Pakistan – The bullet-riddled body of a female polio worker was recovered Monday in Peshawar, northwest Pakistan, with her lips cut and hands broken.

The woman, identified as Salma Farooq, 35, was asleep Sunday night when eight armed men allegedly entered her home and tied-up her husband and tortured her five children.

A senior polio official in Peshawar, Mohamamd Faheem, said the armed men kidnapped Farooq and shifted her to an unknown location.

“The armed men cut her lips and broke her hands and dumped the body in the fields outside Peshawar,” the police official said.[/I]

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talk about stupidity. "let's kill the people trying to save our children!"

If the locals see that the West is actually helping then the interested parties lose their grip. Next thing you know all women will want an education and then where will we be? Women be getting uppity and shit!

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This is priceless:

[URL="http://rt.com/news/155688-saudi-human-rights-norway/"]Saudi Arabia slams Norway’s human rights record[/URL]
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Norway’s human rights record has been dragged up for harsh criticism by...Saudi Arabia. The Middle Eastern nation has called for any criticism of religions or the Prophet Mohammed in the country to be made illegal.

Saudi Arabia was joined by other Islamic countries in its critique of Norway’s approach to its Muslim population, according to Norway’s The Local.

It is a paradox that countries which do not support fundamental human rights have influence on the council, but that is the United Nations,” Brende stated, hinting at the absence of a spotless human rights record in the countries doing the finger pointing.
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Utterly nauseating attempt at forcing sharia on non-believers. The UN is a toothless puppet of the OIC, fuck 'em.

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[URL="http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/breaking-massive-explosion-in-iran-may-be-nuclear-update-roads-blocked-off-for-2km"]Interesting news/rumor out of Iran[/URL]

[I](Gateway Pundit) -- Iranian Fars News Service reported a massive explosion in Qazvin, Iran today. The origins may have been nuclear.
Arutz Sheva reported:

An immense explosion has been heard throughout the northern Iranian city of Qazvin, semi-official Fars news agency reported, and many casualties are expected from the blast.

Around 1.1 million people live in the city, which is located about 100 miles north of Tehran.

The blast may be related to nuclear development in Iran, according to the Los Angeles Times. Iranian officials in the past have strongly denied claims by Mujahedin Khalq Organization, or MKO, a cult-like Iranian exile group, that it has a secret nuclear enrichment facility in Abyek, near the major city, according to the daily.

The source of the blast remains undetermined. Several mystery explosions have been reported in the past several years in the region, none of which were ever verified.[/I]

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[url=http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/21/world/meast/iran-happy-video-arrests/index.html?hpt=hp_t2]6 Iranians arrested for making fan video of Pharrell Williams' 'Happy' - CNN.com[/url]

this is exactly what is wrong with the middle east.

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I guess we [B]do[/B] negotiate with terrorist.

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i wonder if that guy's seen homeland.

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[quote=That Guy;1073451]i wonder if that guy's seen homeland.[/quote]

lol dude, didnt everyone think that right? lol...

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So who is this guy, and how did he wind up getting captured, anyway?

Friends describe him as a trustworthy and outgoing world traveler who joined the Army in 2008. How he ended up captive remains a bit of a mystery. U.S. officials have declined to go into detail, but soldiers in [B]his platoon say he was pulling guard duty when he put down his weapons and walked off base. He reportedly had sent e-mails to his parents denouncing U.S. activities in Afghanistan[/B], according to 2012 reporting by late Rolling Stone reporter Michael Hastings.

What are the soldiers who served with him saying?

[B]Bluntly, they resent any talk of Bergdahl as a hero. They say he's a deserter who should be put on trial, especially in light of the deaths of at least six U.S. soldiers killed while looking for him.[/B]
"I was pissed off then and I am even more so now with everything going on," said Matt Vierkant, who was in the same platoon as Bergdahl. "Bowe Bergdahl deserted during a time of war and his fellow Americans lost their lives searching for him."

"I don't understand why we're trading prisoners at Gitmo for somebody who deserted during a time of war, which is an act of treason," Vierkant said.


[url=http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/02/us/bowe-bergdahl-questions/index.html?hpt=hp_t1]Questions swirl after Bowe Bergdahl's release - CNN.com[/url]

We gave back the Taliban Ministry of Defense and the Taliban Director of Intelligence for this guy?

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[url=http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/02/look-at-five-taliban-commanders-set-free-in-prisoner-exchange/]'Taliban Dream Team': Who are the 5 prisoners traded for Bergdahl's freedom? | Fox News[/url]

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[url=http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/11/world/meast/iraq-mosul-explainer/]The siege of Mosul: What's happening? Why is it significant? - CNN.com[/url]

This is the largest, scariest event for Iraq since the war.

ISIS is officially in the top 5 big threat, terriorist (Hezbollah, Taliban, Al Qeada) organizations. Anyone following the Syrian war like me know ISIS basically has changed the game over there within the last year where they are activily fighting both Asad's forces and the Syrian Free Army.

Isis took Mosul mainly for the money, they've made off with roughly 450 million dollars so far to fund the group.

We have to respond, Obama cannot sit on his hands like he did about Russia and the Ukraine. I was thinking last night I would wake up today and hear about a military operation. We must drive these guys out of Iraq.

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[quote=Chico23231;1073954]We have to respond, Obama cannot sit on his hands like he did about Russia and the Ukraine. I was thinking last night I would wake up today and hear about a military operation. We must drive these guys out of Iraq.[/quote]


I wouldn't be surprised if those nuts are funded and organized by people within our own government. It keeps perpetual war going so we can continue feeding billions of dollars to the war machine. Let's thank Bush for this complete disaster in Iraq. Hope that douche bag is happy.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1073956]I wouldn't be surprised if those nuts are funded and organized by people within our own government. It keeps perpetual war going so we can continue feeding billions of dollars to the war machine. Let's thank Bush for this complete disaster in Iraq. Hope that douche bag is happy.[/quote]

Yeah, sometimes its better to have ironclad dictators like Assad and Sadam in power because of their ability to control their insane extreme elements within the culture. Problem with Sadam is he liked to destablize the region by his war machine, once against iran and the other against kuwait.

The middle east is the most intriguing place on the map with all their issues. The big question is why doesnt that area come together to squash these threats?

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[quote=NC_Skins;1073956]I wouldn't be surprised if those nuts are funded and organized by people within our own government. It keeps perpetual war going so we can continue feeding billions of dollars to the war machine. Let's thank Bush for this complete disaster in Iraq. Hope that douche bag is happy.[/quote]

4 months ago I would have echoed your comments .... but after seeing what putin's mind state in russia is, iran's nuclear ambitions and china's claiming of territories and provocation ....

i now see why we spend 5% of GDP on defense.

it quite literally is the only thing keeping russia, china and iran in check.

those 3 are in bed together and it scares the hell out of me.

the only reason russia and china dont do more is bc their militaries have not caught up to ours.

world war is blowing in the winds. at some point in our lifetime its going to happen.

thankfully japan and australia are boosting their military. israel is always down to fight. canada needs to boost its military bc all of their artic land will be poached by russia and china in the search for oil.

the problem is all these weak EU nations relying on us to bully the bullies so they can spend their money else where instead of on defense.

at some point in our lives, none of us will be paying attention to football. there wont even be football. we live such a cush and bubbled life in the US.

moving away from oil is our only hope. unfortunately oil bought our politicians.

I've been arguing with my republican friends about the main stream media stuff for the last few years. But watching the Sunday morning shows all two-step around the fact that we are arming ISIS in Syria and debating fighting them in Iraq is painful.

Rand Paul made mention of it and Candy Crowley just dodged the hell out of it.

It's also painful to watch Dianne Feinstein say they were surprised a third of Iraq could be taken so quickly. Republicans have been warning about the danger of time-tabled withdrawal from the middle east and this result for years. This is not a surprise.

I am all for getting out of there but I certainly recognized the potential of this happening.

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and the Obama Admin stands by and watches this happen

[url=http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07/23/purged-by-isis-iraq-christians-appeal-to-world-for-help/]Purged by ISIS, Iraq's Christians appeal to world for help | Fox News[/url]

.....yet sends millions to organizations in Palestine that have rockets in their facilities.

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[url=http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/19/world/meast/isis-james-foley/index.html?hpt=hp_t1]ISIS beheading U.S. journalist James Foley, posts video - CNN.com[/url]

I think Im just beginning to hate everything "Middle East" and just say eff it and nuke all these countries

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You just get the feeling that sooner later someone is going to do something stupider than stupid. It just reminds me of pre WWI Europe.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1078137]You just get the feeling that sooner later someone is going to do something stupider than stupid. It just reminds me of pre WWI Europe.[/quote]

The biggest problem I have is why arent other countries seeing this huge problem, amassing an army and doing something about these cray cray isis cats. Do they support it?

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[quote=Chico23231;1078132][url=http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/19/world/meast/isis-james-foley/index.html?hpt=hp_t1]ISIS beheading U.S. journalist James Foley, posts video - CNN.com[/url]

I think Im just beginning to hate everything "Middle East" and just say eff it and nuke all these countries[/quote]

I hope to goodness that the US wipes the floor with ISIS. As this point, I'm willing to go balls deep into Iraq (again) to clean house of these morons. While we are at it, I say we go ahead and end the source of their funding. /looks at Saudi Arabia

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1078139]The biggest problem I have is why arent other countries seeing this huge problem, amassing an army and doing something about these cray cray isis cats. Do they support it?[/QUOTE]
Other countries like who? Do we want Iran to go deep into Iraq and basically create a land bridge to Syria? Syria is in it's own quandary and some propagandists argue the US sponsored ISiS in Syria and now has lost control. Given our track record in the middle east I am not sure that gets completely discounted. Jordan Saudi Arabia and the rest of the moderate Middle East nations have enough of an issue with the threat against their homelands why are they going to risk angering significant groups within their boundaries for a bunch of meaningless others(my belief in how most see the Kurds and other minorities most at risk from ISIS.

I guess bottomline the techniques and policies of ISIS may be outrageous here in the US, but it isn't completely out of line with the rulers of most local nations that we would normally encourage to intervene.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1078142]and some propagandists argue the US sponsored ISiS in Syria and now has lost control.[/quote]


It wouldn't be the first time. We trained Al Qaeda from it's inception and lost control of that organization.


Come to think of it, maybe we haven't lost control, but they are doing exactly what our CIA wants them to do. Goes back to what I said here:


[quote=NC_Skins;1073956]I wouldn't be surprised if those nuts are funded and organized by people within our own government. It keeps perpetual war going so we can continue feeding billions of dollars to the war machine. Let's thank Bush for this complete disaster in Iraq. Hope that douche bag is happy.[/quote]

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[quote=Chico23231;1078139]The biggest problem I have is why arent other countries seeing this huge problem, amassing an army and doing something about these cray cray isis cats. Do they support it?[/quote]
IS is following the fundamental tenants of Islam and passages directly from the Qur'an. If the government of any of the predominately Muslim countries stands officially against IS, they put themselves in the position of 40-50% of their population turning against them and becoming the next target for the fundamental Islamists.

This won't happen with the weakest foreign policy President in the 20th-21st centuries, however what needs to be done is for the POTUS to go to Congress and obtain a declaration of war on any groups which openly have declared war/jihad on the U.S. or are involved in genocide. Once obtained, use Spec Ops and drone strikes to wipe these animals out whenever they raise their f-ing murderous heads.

If different factions of Islam want to fight amongst themselves, fine. But when groups like IS are flat our murdering/beheading innocents time to step in with extreme deadly force to deter the pieces of $hit from doing this stuff. No massive 100K of troops sitting in the sand as targets, change the rules of engagement and let the military serve its purpose....to kill bad guys and destroy stuff.

These animals see the reluctance of the U.S. to act and we're the only force that can stop this evil. Time to wake up....or it's just a matter of time before this cancer spreads throughout Europe, through SE Asia and within the next century possibly to North and South America.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;1078182][B]IS is following the fundamental tenants of Islam and passages directly from the Qur'an. If the government of any of the predominately Muslim countries stands officially against IS, they put themselves in the position of 40-50% of their population turning against them and becoming the next target for the fundamental Islamists.[/B]
This won't happen with the weakest foreign policy President in the 20th-21st centuries, however what needs to be done is for the POTUS to go to Congress and obtain a declaration of war on any groups which openly have declared war/jihad on the U.S. or are involved in genocide. Once obtained, use Spec Ops and drone strikes to wipe these animals out whenever they raise their f-ing murderous heads.

If different factions of Islam want to fight amongst themselves, fine. But when groups like IS are flat our murdering/beheading innocents time to step in with extreme deadly force to deter the pieces of $hit from doing this stuff. No massive 100K of troops sitting in the sand as targets, change the rules of engagement and let the military serve its purpose....to kill bad guys and destroy stuff.

These animals see the reluctance of the U.S. to act and we're the only force that can stop this evil. Time to wake up....or it's just a matter of time before this cancer spreads throughout Europe, through SE Asia and within the next century possibly to North and South America.[/quote]

That is not an excuse, so you saying 40-50% support what isis is doing if they arent against it.

We need to start bottomlining some things to Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Iraq.

This is flat out genocide...so Muslim support genocide?

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honestly the video yesterday of the journalist beheading made me recall that anger i havent felt since 9/11. I havent felt that in a long time. Alot of anger towards the middle east, isis, and quite frankly the way we've handled this threat since it began 3-4 months ago. I really hate these terriosts. I kinda feel like burning isis flags in the streets

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[quote=Chico23231;1078189]That is not an excuse, so you saying 40-50% support what isis is doing if they arent against it. [/quote]Agree 100% this is no excuse for Mid East regional gov'ts to stand by and do nothing. Unfortunately the leaders/rulers of these countries are fat and happy with the status quo and don't want IS types coming to behead them. They certainly aren't going to risk their lives/money over a bunch of Christians...and quite frankly there are many that flat out support IS philosophically and financially.

Based on pols conducted of people in the Mid East about 40-50% have to support IS's actions. They're following the Qur'an and implementing real Sharia law. Based on Pew Research polls in the Mid East in 2013 the following percentages favored Sharia as the "law of the land".
Pakistan - 84%
Afghanistan - 99%
Iraq - 91%
Egypt - 74%
Jordan - 71%

Keep in mind IS's actions toward non-Muslims of convert, leave, accept dhimmitude, or die, is part of Sharia law.

[quote]We need to start bottomlining some things to Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Iraq.[/quote]Again agree 100%, no $$$, military support, etc. unless Human Rights start to get cleaned up. Unfortunately for us, we're nowhere near on our way to energy independence (thanks to Obama and the left) and the Saudis would respond by either cuting-off or jacking up prices on our oil supply. The U.S. public has no stomach for that, hence politicians won't take that risk.

[quote]This is flat out genocide...so Muslim support genocide?[/quote] Anti-Christian genocide by Muslim's is not new, this has been going on since the beginnings of Islam.
[URL="http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101"][COLOR=#000080]http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101[/COLOR][/URL]

Problem is anyone who brings this stuff up (any time outside of beheading videos being posted or 9/11) is labeled an Islamophobe and a hate filled, far right-wing war monger.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1078141]I hope to goodness that the US wipes the floor with ISIS. As this point, I'm willing to go balls deep into Iraq (again) to clean house of these morons. While we are at it, I say we go ahead and end the source of their funding. /looks at Saudi Arabia[/quote]

you personally or do you mean sending other people's kids?

and it's not just saudi arabia, there's a lot of money flowing from all over the region through a million different means to islamic fighters. and a lot of US money also ends up getting routed to people actively looking to fight us too.

perpetual war and an endless money pit... success?

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[quote=That Guy;1078203]you personally or do you mean sending other people's kids?[/quote]The adults that VOLUNTEERED for military service. The military isn't a social program, it's a fighting force.

So your stance is to stand back and watch tens of thousands get slaughtered/beheaded/crucified when we have the capability to stop it? If that's your stance it's disgusting.

How would you feel if IS was running rampant through NoVA and the only people that could stop them decided it "wasn't worth it" to end mass genocide.

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If im that British terrorist im shitting my pants, because we are coming for him. And because he was british, that motivates our friends across the pond. I think they gonna want some too; I say lets get to it

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;1078199]...

Anti-Christian genocide by Muslim's is not new, this has been going on since the beginnings of Islam.
[URL="http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101"][COLOR=#000080]http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101[/COLOR][/URL]

Problem is anyone who brings this stuff up (any time outside of beheading videos being posted or 9/11) is labeled an Islamophobe and a hate filled, far right-wing war monger.[/quote]

For the record, anti-palestinian genocide has been going on since old testament times, and Israel continues it today with US help. There is no correct side in that land, and if there is one side that is abiding by the God described in the old testament, of which Christianity came from, it is those tearing down idols and destroying those who blaspheme the name of their God. Most Christians in the US don't want to acknowledge that the God of the Bible (old Testament mainly) not only abided by genecide, but commanded it. When Israelites marched and the walls of Jericho fell, their God didn't command that only the really bad guys be put in prison His command was:
[quote]And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, both young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.[/quote] or the narrative in modern English description:
[quote]The city was completely destroyed, and every man, woman, child and animal in it was killed by Joshua's army by God's command. Only Rahab and her family were spared, because she had hidden the two spies sent by Joshua. After this, Joshua burned the remains of the city and cursed any man who would rebuild the city of Jericho would do so at the cost of his firstborn son. [/quote]

Look at the map of the bombing of Gaza. The gaza strip is 7miles x 32 miles. For comparison the strip of land from Baltimore to DC, between 295 and Route 29 is approximately the same, and there are 1.8 million people living there and a lot of homes have been turned to rubble from Israel's bombings against innocents, yet the US is up in arms because one video of a man was beheaded?

There's no simple solution. This hatred and genocide has gone on for millenia and we, for better or worse have made our bed with Israel. I get that. And it is where this world is. But let's not pretend that only one side here is capable of genocide.

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These are some brave journalists. That much is for certain. Hell of a documentary on ISIS and well worth the time. This isn't some small organization now.

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