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[quote=Defensewins;978648]Is four sacks in the last five games consistent enough? All wins. He has three interceptions and 2 forced fumbles with two games to play. So he has caused five turnovers for our defense.
I am not saying get rid of Orakpo, keep them both, but Jackson should play his fair share and not waste away on the bench.
I highly disagree with some that say Orakpo is better against the run. No sir. Orakpo sometimes on run plays guesses wrong and goes for the sack. Completely over running the play and failing to keep gap responsibility. Jackson is better at setting the edge against the run. Jackson is better in space and making football decisions on the fly. [B]That skill can not be measured by stats. [/B]
Orakpo has not blossomed into the dominate LB he is supposed to be at this point in his career. Yes he has sacks, but he has weakness' in his game at point in his career where he should be past them. Kerrigan was already surpassed Orakpo at OLB.[/quote]

Yes, Rob has played well of late, but he has been inconsistent. There was a stretch since after his INT against Cincy where I forgot he was even on the team. It wasn't until like you said 4 games ago that I was like "Oh yeah Rob Jacksons still on this team". I need to see more consistency from Rob Jackson before I start thinking of him as a starting caliber player on this team or any other team for that sake.

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Perhaps I am in the minority but the defense is just not the same without Orakpo. I just have not seen that much of a pass rush in the absense of Rak and Adam. The defense has tightened lately, but there still seems to be a lack of pressure.

[QUOTE=Angry;978707]Perhaps I am in the minority but the defense is just not the same without Orakpo. I just have not seen that much of a pass rush in the absense of Rak and Adam. The defense has tightened lately, but there still seems to be a lack of pressure.[/QUOTE]

I would say you are in the majority.
Edit: you are rite on. The d is playing very well just no qb pressure which is anazing because of our bad secondary. I never thought it could be possible but haz is pushing all the rite buttons.

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[quote=KJHJ2;978707]Perhaps I am in the minority but the defense is just not the same without Orakpo. I just have not seen that much of a pass rush in the absense of Rak and Adam. The defense has tightened lately, but there still seems to be a lack of pressure.[/quote]

If your in the minority, then I'm in it too. But no, I think its the majority opinion; its just that theres some dumb opinions that stick out more than the smart ones.

Losing Carriker was also a huge loss, because he would always be double teamed and would help push the pocket into the QB, causing the QB to stay back and not step up.

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Weirdly, I think if Haslett gets another year with Orakpo and Carriker back (PLUS some added draft picks or FA), we'll have a pretty damn good defense. I'll never say that losing Orakpo/Carriker was as good thing, but it really forced Haslett to innovate to make up for the lack of pressure from those two. As a result, when they come back, that should make us that much more dangerous.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;978779]Weirdly, I think if Haslett gets another year with Orakpo and Carriker back (PLUS some added draft picks or FA), we'll have a pretty damn good defense. I'll never say that losing Orakpo/Carriker was as good thing, but it really forced Haslett to innovate to make up for the lack of pressure from those two. As a result, when they come back, that should make us that much more dangerous.[/quote]

Agreed. Our front 7 is pretty good. Fix the secondary and we have somethin' going on defensively.

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FA next year = Ed Reed

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You know ER is like......35 right?

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I doubt Reed leaves the Ravens. And age isn't a factor for FS's. Those guys will play till their 38-39 (Dawkins for example)

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At 35, he may have some time yet, but sure as hell, he'll be on "Dancing with the Stars" and end up back in Miami....right?
No thanks.....Keep going young and building for the future.

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[quote=Chico23231;978170]I want to ask the hatters, what were your expectations this season? And what were your expectations when Shanny and Bruce took over?

I think that would help me understand alot of things.

Dont talk about McNabb, Brown, and the defense...we know the regime's mistakes, No team is perfect. Sure, we know RT and the secondary is an issue and we should have resigned Carlos, we know these things. But what were your expectations?[/quote]I think anyone who said after the RG3 trade that "Mike Shanahan can really afford another 5-11 season" would just have being dishonest. A pretty 8-8 (gaudy offensive stats - as we have enjoyed) or any 9-10 win season was baseline expectation.

So we've met baseline expectation for the season already, barring some sort of self-destructive last two games, which I don't think will happen. We're back in the chase for the NFC East, and I think we'll take care of the Eagles pretty routinely.

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[quote=Skinzman;978137]See, here is part of the problem. Its the same problem I have with GTripp. You both seem to to think that building a team in the NFL is a one year proposition. Where you say throw away a season, I say didnt get locked into a bad QB and waste 4 or 5 seasons. I have tried to make the case that passing on Gabbert was a good thing, and the responses I get are more about me having an attitude because I believe that the only way to build a team is "my way".

But the whole "All it takes is one year" is a clear sign that no team building is needed by the people who say it. And that is flat out wrong. If that was right, then Vinny Cerrato is the greatest GM to ever grace the planet. He made the most 1 year moves I have ever seen.

Finding the RIGHT QB is the most important piece to any NFL team. He found it... yet all you say (and others like you) is that a season was wasted.[/quote]We're in year three now so whether or not an organization can be turned in the right direction within the first year is not a relevant discussion to the Shanahan Redskins.

Finding the right quarterback doesn't matter if you win 33% of your games. If you are winning 60% and have a 22-year old franchise quarterback, then you have accomplished something special.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;978791]I doubt Reed leaves the Ravens. And age isn't a factor for FS's. Those guys will play till their 38-39 (Dawkins for example)[/quote]

I gotta disagree. A FS, who sometimes has coverage responsibilities, can lose a step to age just like a corner would.

Denver Dawkins was not as good as young Philly Dawkins for this reason.

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the best buy in FA this offseason is byrd by far... if he makes it to free agency.

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[quote=That Guy;978816]the best buy in FA this offseason is byrd by far... if he makes it to free agency.[/quote]

I agree, but I doubt he makes it to free agency.

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[quote=KJHJ2;978707]Perhaps I am in the minority but the defense is just not the same without Orakpo. I just have not seen that much of a pass rush in the absense of Rak and Adam. The defense has tightened lately, but there still seems to be a lack of pressure.[/quote]

The defense is able to get the job done. Our secondary has played better during the 5 game winning streak. Yes, because of the season ending injuries to Carriker and Orakpo the sack totals are down this year. But what Haslett has been able to do is adjust to the level of personnel that he has and he's called some great games lately and has placed the defensive players into positions to make plays and they have done that. We need to get over not having Orakpo and Carriker. Cofield had sack last week and the defense HAS been getting pressure on opposing quarterbacks. That may not produce sacks, but the pressure applied has been just as effective as sacks.......

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I am beginningi to, but need to see it play out another year. We finally seem to be in the right direction. I guess I am still alittle cynical after years and years of inepitude.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/23/snyder-should-arrange-shanahan-to-shanahan-succession-plan/]Snyder should arrange Shanahan-to-Shanahan succession plan | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Thought this should go here

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[quote=CultBrennan59;978907][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/23/snyder-should-arrange-shanahan-to-shanahan-succession-plan/]Snyder should arrange Shanahan-to-Shanahan succession plan | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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I don't understand some people's logic. Why would Kyle Shanahan want a head coaching job handed to him? If there's other head coaching jobs available when the times comes, then wouldn't Kyle Shanahan want to explore those opportunities? Why would he want his father's job just handed to him?

For all we know, Jim Haslett might get the Redskins head coaching job once Mike Shanahan leaves Washington.

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He's on a short list of those ready for that job this year.

I mean, I think it would be cool if he stuck here another year, but it's probably not realistic. I'm happy that discussions are ongoing to try to keep him.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;979617]I don't understand some people's logic. Why would Kyle Shanahan want a head coaching job handed to him? If there's other head coaching jobs available when the times comes, then wouldn't Kyle Shanahan want to explore those opportunities? Why would he want his father's job just handed to him?

For all we know, Jim Haslett might get the Redskins head coaching job once Mike Shanahan leaves Washington.[/quote]

Haslett? Um, no.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;979617]I don't understand some people's logic. Why would Kyle Shanahan want a head coaching job handed to him? If there's other head coaching jobs available when the times comes, then wouldn't Kyle Shanahan want to explore those opportunities? Why would he want his father's job just handed to him?

[B]For all we know, Jim Haslett might get the Redskins head coaching job once Mike Shanahan leaves Washington.[/B][/quote]

Yeah, and Haslett is going to bring in Jerry Jones as Special Teams coach.

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I cant believe we are playing for the East title prime time, last regular game of the season against our biggest rival. hats off to the NFL schedulers, good job.

How did this happen? Im still in a daze...is this really happening with a Rookie QB? WTF??????????????

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[quote=Mattyk;979645]Haslett? Um, no.[/quote]

I mentioned Haslett because he's been a head coach before. If Kyle Shanahan moves on and Mike steps down, Bruce Allen would indeed promote Haslett to HC.....people forget that Jim Haslett was the NFL coach of the year in 2000.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;979819]I mentioned Haslett because he's been a head coach before. If Kyle Shanahan moves on and Mike steps down, [B]Bruce Allen would indeed promote Haslett to HC[/B].....people forget that Jim Haslett was the NFL coach of the year in 2000.[/quote]

No, he wouldn't.

Morris would be in line for the job over Haslett, easily.

[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;979617]I don't understand some people's logic. Why would Kyle Shanahan want a head coaching job handed to him? If there's other head coaching jobs available when the times comes, then wouldn't Kyle Shanahan want to explore those opportunities? Why would he want his father's job just handed to him?

For all we know, Jim Haslett might get the Redskins head coaching job once Mike Shanahan leaves Washington.[/QUOTE]

Because Kyle has been an intricate part of this and everyone knows it. On top of that what available hc job is there that would be worth someone of his young age jumping on that is going to be anywhere near as promising as what the future holds in Washington. Only fools rush in.

[QUOTE=Chico23231;979796]I cant believe we are playing for the East title prime time, last regular game of the season against our biggest rival. hats off to the NFL schedulers, good job.

How did this happen? Im still in a daze...is this really happening with a Rookie QB? WTF??????????????[/QUOTE]

Wearing my jersey on xmas eve. What a present this sun nite game will be. It is the only thing keeping me sane in the football world after my heartbreaking loss in my money league. **** u danny amendola i hope you get coal in your stocking you ****.

[QUOTE=punch it in;979830]Wearing my jersey on xmas eve. What a present this sun nite game will be. It is the only thing keeping me sane in the football world after my heartbreaking loss in my money league. **** u danny amendola i hope you get coal in your stocking you ****.[/QUOTE]

I'm about to owe u a Jersey lmao. Crazy season man!! I'm wearing all my skins gear as well always do here. The other day one dallass fan at the mall told me he's tired of hearing about RG3. I said well Dont turn on ESPN for the next 10 years lol

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;979819]I mentioned Haslett because he's been a head coach before. If Kyle Shanahan moves on and Mike steps down, Bruce Allen would indeed promote Haslett to HC.....people forget that Jim Haslett was the NFL coach of the year in 2000.[/quote]

Little known story that most people don't know. Before Snyder's first season as owner he tried to hire Jim Haslett to be his HC. Cowher blocked the move though

That said, Haslett is not going to be promoted to HC here

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The Eagles scared me yesterday more then any of the teams that are going to make the playoffs. Nothing worse then playing a team that does have some talent, at home, with their coach coaching their last home game with nothing to loose.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;979850]I'm about to owe u a Jersey lmao. Crazy season man!! I'm wearing all my skins gear as well always do here. The other day one dallass fan at the mall told me he's tired of hearing about RG3. I said well Dont turn on ESPN for the next 10 years lol[/quote]

RG3 does get a lot press, but the Cowboys are still loved and get a lot press time too. Listening to Jaws on ESPN this morning, he is all over the Cowboys jock. Predicting the Cowboys will win the Division next week, it doesn't bother me though I like to hear those things it pumps me up even more.

BTW i rock my Skins gear on the time to down here in San Antonio, and listen to the Cowboys fan trash talk all the time. I will take that any day over listening to the Cowboy fans in DC area who have never been to Texas, I cant stand them.

[QUOTE=redskins5044;979865]RG3 does get a lot press, but the Cowboys are still loved and get a lot press time too. Listening to Jaws on ESPN this morning, he is all over the Cowboys jock. Predicting the Cowboys will win the Division next week, it doesn't bother me though I like to hear those things it pumps me up even more.

BTW i rock my Skins gear on the time to down here in San Antonio, and listen to the Cowboys fan trash talk all the time. I will take that any day over listening to the Cowboy fans in DC area who have never been to Texas, I cant stand them.[/QUOTE]

Jaws doesn't like the redskins, I mean if u got owned by a team your whole career u wouldn't like them either

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;979617]For all we know, Jim Haslett might get the Redskins head coaching job once Mike Shanahan leaves Washington.[/quote]


Haslett will not even be here next year. We'll have a new DC come 2013 season.

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;979867]Haslett will not even be here next year. We'll have a new DC come 2013 season.[/QUOTE]

Depends on our playoff push and if the d plays good

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[quote=Chico23231;979796]I cant believe we are playing for the East title prime time, last regular game of the season against our biggest rival. [B]hats off to the NFL schedulers[/B], good job.

How did this happen? Im still in a daze...is this really happening with a Rookie QB? WTF??????????????[/quote]

Adding to playoffs - no
International team - no

All divisional games the last week of season -- Priceless.

That and allowing any game to be flexed the final week are two excellent moves by the NFL.

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[quote=firstdown;979860]The Eagles scared me yesterday more then any of the teams that are going to make the playoffs. Nothing worse then playing a team that does have some talent, at home, with their coach coaching their last home game with nothing to lose.[/quote]

agreed, and going for it twice on 4th down in the opening drive drove home the fact that Reid wanted that game something fierce.

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When you've got nothing to lose you'd be pretty dumb to not go for it on 4th and short.

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;979850]I'm about to owe u a Jersey lmao. Crazy season man!! I'm wearing all my skins gear as well always do here. The other day one dallass fan at the mall told me he's tired of hearing about RG3. I said well Dont turn on ESPN for the next 10 years lol[/QUOTE]

Yea in spirit the jersey is mine but as i told ya i got a Griff jersey for my bday so bets off. Skins get in n that will be good enough! Wearin my 21 today. 10 got mucked up yesterday n is being laundered. Lol. Httr.

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[quote=Mattyk;979824]No, he wouldn't.

Morris would be in line for the job over Haslett, easily.[/quote]

This is where I differ...Haslett is the defensive coordinator.....Morris is the secondary coach. Haslett has played the game, been a d. coordinator many times and has been a head coach who has led his Saints team to the playoffs. Morris on the other hand has been a HC also but he's only had one winning season as a HC. Under Morris, the Buccaneers finished 30th in pass defense in 2011. A few people that I've talked to that knows a little about defensive football says Morris employs a pass defense scheme called 'trail technique and this 'trail technique' has been the main reason why the Redskins have been scorched so badly until the bye week. They still use it but not as much before the bye. Basically what I'm saying is Morris is the one that has made Haslett look bad.....Haslett, as he proved in 2011 and after the bye week here in 2012, is a solid DC. If he doesn't get a promotion once Mike Shanahan leaves then he should be at least considered.

If Morris ever becomes the Redskins HC it will be because Bruce Allen and Morris were boys in Tampa.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;979919]This is where I differ...Haslett is the defensive coordinator.....Morris is the secondary coach. Haslett has played the game, been a d. coordinator many times and has been a head coach who has led his Saints team to the playoffs. Morris on the other hand has been a HC also but he's only had one winning season as a HC. Under Morris, the Buccaneers finished 30th in pass defense in 2011. A few people that I've talked to that knows a little about defensive football says Morris employs a pass defense scheme called 'trail technique and this 'trail technique' has been the main reason why the Redskins have been scorched so badly until the bye week. They still use it but not as much before the bye. Basically what I'm saying is Morris is the one that has made Haslett look bad.....Haslett, as he proved in 2011 and after the bye week here in 2012, is a solid DC. If he doesn't get a promotion once Mike Shanahan leaves then he should be at least considered.

If Morris ever becomes the Redskins HC it will be because Bruce Allen and Morris were boys in Tampa.[/quote]

Take it for what it's worth, the inside word says Morris is very well liked in the organization.