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[quote=Mattyk;1042475]What's he supposed to do, go through a laundry list of his mistakes and apologize for each one?

At this point anything he says is going to get picked apart.

He wasn't right in his comments but I don't think it's the end of the world either.[/quote]

You're exactly right, but unfortunately that won't stop people bitchin' about it for the next year until the 'skins start playing better ball - namely RGIII. Then those same bitches will start riding RGIII's jock again.

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[quote=skinsguy;1042586]You're exactly right, but unfortunately that won't stop people bitchin' about it for the next year until the 'skins start playing better ball - namely RGIII. Then those same bitches will start riding RGIII's jock again.[/quote]

This has nothing to do with how he's playing. I'd say the same damn thing if we were 10-0.


[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/3052/rg-iii-has-more-to-learn]Robert Griffin III has more to learn - ESPN[/url]

Stop and take a look around. Even the neutral based writers see it. This isn't something that's conjured up because we are losing.

[QUOTE=Bucket;1042576]I'm hoping we get to see more Nick Williams in the slot.[/QUOTE]

And less of him fielding (or not fielding!) punts

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[quote=NC_Skins;1042611]This has nothing to do with how he's playing. I'd say the same damn thing if we were 10-0.


[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/3052/rg-iii-has-more-to-learn]Robert Griffin III has more to learn - ESPN[/url]

Stop and take a look around. Even the neutral based writers see it. This isn't something that's conjured up because we are losing.[/quote]

Yes, it is something being conjured up because the Redskins are losing. How many times was RGIII's leadership questioned last year? None.

I do not get the impression from John Keim's piece that he, himself, is questioning the leadership of RGIII. John Keim's reaction: "[I] You need to be careful about what you say.[/I]" That's not an indictment on RGIII's leadership, it's just an indictment on RGIII being more careful about what he says in post game interviews. And Keim goes on to site Sally Jenkins - do I need to say anything about her? Honestly? Darrell Green - his flip flopping on the Redskins name puts his credibility in question. And Santana Moss? Seems like Moss needs to learn to shut his mouth. If Moss had a beef with something RGIII said, he should have pulled RGIII aside, privately to speak to him man to man. None of this passive aggressive going to the media stuff. Moss needs to look at himself before he indicts RGIII.

I think that's all Keim's point was. If you don't watch what you say, you'll have people picking your words apart. Trust me, happens all the time here.

Let's be real about this. Robert is 23 years old. He's a young pup. A lot has been placed upon his shoulders with this franchise. It's almost a curse that he had such a great rookie season. That, in itself, just magnified the pressure ten fold. Has Robert ever been in a situation where he's on a losing team? I don't think so. This is all new to him. He has to learn and he will.

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[quote=skinsguy;1042650]Yes, it is something being conjured up because the Redskins are losing. How many times was RGIII's leadership questioned last year? None.

Let's be real about this. Robert is 23 years old. He's a young pup. A lot has been placed upon his shoulders with this franchise. It's almost a curse that he had such a great rookie season. That, in itself, just magnified the pressure ten fold. Has Robert ever been in a situation where he's on a losing team? I don't think so. This is all new to him. He has to learn and he will.[/quote]


I haven't said the first thing about leadership. Not one. I've said something about him blabbing to the media, which still stands.

The people that have brought leadership up is Fletcher, Green, and now Moss. If you want to consult them about RGIII's leadership, by all means do so, but not sure why you even direct that towards me. Besides, the fact his teammates are questioning his leadership in public says a great deal. A huge deal.

Stop using that "he's young" as a excuse. Is he stupid? Is he a moron? The answer is no to both of those, so he knows good and god damn well to shut the hell up. He doesn't want to because nobody is going to tell him what to do or how to play. He's said this on several occasions. Luck is in a more pressure situation than RGIII was. Imagine a team cutting a SB MVP and future hall of famer who practically built the stadium you are playing in, just so they can anoint you the next biggest star? Luck is a much greater pressure situation than Robert. By far. Also, his team was much much worse, and his offensive line is atrocious. Do you hear Luck blaming his coaches or OL during press conferences? Nope.

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Luck doesn't have nearly the same media scrutiny. DC vs Indy? C'mon.

Griffin has plenty of pressure. Trying to turn around a franchise that's been stumbling since the 90s? A fan base desperate for a savior?

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[quote=Mattyk;1042684]Luck doesn't have nearly the same media scrutiny. DC vs Indy? C'mon.

Griffin has plenty of pressure. Trying to turn around a franchise that's been stumbling since the 90s? A fan base desperate for a savior?[/quote]

I agree with the media and spotlight being greater in DC. I'm not slighting Robert's pressure. Any QB in the NFL is going to be under some serious pressure to perform, especially ones drafted high and in high media areas.

Luck isn't have that same type of scrutiny as well because he's not giving them any ammo. Robert is his own wost enemy when it comes to the media shit storm. It's bad enough on its on, he doesn't need to fuel the fires.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1042691]I agree with the media and spotlight being greater in DC. I'm not slighting Robert's pressure. Any QB in the NFL is going to be under some serious pressure to perform, especially ones drafted high and in high media areas.

Luck isn't have that same type of scrutiny as well because he's not giving them any ammo. Robert is his own wost enemy when it comes to the media shit storm. It's bad enough on its on, he doesn't need to fuel the fires.[/quote]

He needs to be more careful with what he says, because the smallest things can get spun way out of control.

Luck isn't under scrutiny mainly because they are winning. When you're losing it's open season on anything and everything.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1042679]I haven't said the first thing about leadership. Not one. I've said something about him blabbing to the media, which still stands.

The people that have brought leadership up is Fletcher, Green, and now Moss. If you want to consult them about RGIII's leadership, by all means do so, but not sure why you even direct that towards me. Besides, the fact his teammates are questioning his leadership in public says a great deal. A huge deal.

Stop using that "he's young" as a excuse. Is he stupid? Is he a moron? The answer is no to both of those, so he knows good and god damn well to shut the hell up. He doesn't want to because nobody is going to tell him what to do or how to play. He's said this on several occasions. Luck is in a more pressure situation than RGIII was. Imagine a team cutting a SB MVP and future hall of famer who practically built the stadium you are playing in, just so they can anoint you the next biggest star? Luck is a much greater pressure situation than Robert. By far. Also, his team was much much worse, and his offensive line is atrocious. Do you hear Luck blaming his coaches or OL during press conferences? Nope.[/quote]

Wait a minute. You're posting posts and links about articles that's supposedly questioning RGIII as a leader, and then saying you have not said one word about his leadership, but then go on this diatribe in your last paragraph here, quoted, saying "[I]He doesn't want to because nobody is going to tell him what to do or how to play[/I]." So, if that's not questioning the guy's leadership skills, I don't know what the hell is? And Luck is under much greater pressure? LMAO!!!! You cannot be serious NC? You're comparing Indy to Washington D.C.? Let that sink in for a second. Indy to Washington D.C.

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[quote=skinsguy;1042697]Wait a minute. You're posting posts and links about articles that's supposedly questioning RGIII as a leader, and then saying you have not said one word about his leadership, but then go on this diatribe in your last paragraph here, quoted, saying "[I]He doesn't want to because nobody is going to tell him what to do or how to play[/I]." So, if that's not questioning the guy's leadership skills, I don't know what the hell is?[/quote]

The links I posted were people talking about RGIII's comments this past weekend during his press conference. You know, the ones calling out his coaching staff and others. Many many others see it, and recognize it was a huge fuckup by Robert.

Moss happened to expand his discussion about Robert's leadership, and even went on to throw the Redskins PR team under the bus as well.

Well, Robert has said he isn't going to hold back in interviews and he's going to not allow people to tell him how to play. That isn't a shot at leadership, that's a shot of him being a stubborn arrogant person.

Again, I haven't said anything about his leadership skills, his players have. Stop pulling stuff that isn't there with me. If I have a problem with his leadership skills, I'll damn well say it and I won't dance around it or mince words. Thanks.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1042716]The links I posted were people talking about RGIII's comments this past weekend during his press conference. You know, the ones calling out his coaching staff and others. Many many others see it, and recognize it was a huge fuckup by Robert.

Moss happened to expand his discussion about Robert's leadership, and even went on to throw the Redskins PR team under the bus as well.

Well, Robert has said he isn't going to hold back in interviews and he's going to not allow people to tell him how to play. That isn't a shot at leadership, that's a shot of him being a stubborn arrogant person.

Again, I haven't said anything about his leadership skills, his players have. Stop pulling stuff that isn't there with me. If I have a problem with his leadership skills, I'll damn well say it and I won't dance around it or mince words. Thanks.[/quote]

LOL!. If you say so.

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[quote=punch it in;1042613]And less of him fielding (or not fielding!) punts[/quote]

Nah, he can field punts. Was his first NFL game EVER. He'll be alright.

[QUOTE=Bucket;1042735]Nah, he can field punts. Was his first NFL game EVER. He'll be alright.[/QUOTE]

Well we are in the "evaluation" stage of the season....

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Man, anyone go to HTTR24/7 Twitter? He shows a picture that "sums" up our defense. ALL 5 WR'S ARE OPEN on the play for the Eagles. LOL

Like.. How is that even possible?

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[quote=Bucket;1042753]Man, anyone go to HTTR24/7 Twitter? He shows a picture that "sums" up our defense. ALL 5 WR'S ARE OPEN on the play for the Eagles. LOL

Like.. How is that even possible?[/quote]


LMAO smh man

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I'd like to see RG take a much lower profile going forward, leave out all the commercials and endorsements. Keep your head down and focus on your job, the team and ultimately winning. Then he can be as arrogant as he wants and we can tell his detractors to go pound sand.

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[quote=Mattyk;1042692]He needs to be more careful with what he says, because the smallest things can get spun way out of control.

Luck isn't under scrutiny mainly because they are winning. When you're losing it's open season on anything and everything.[/quote]Luck is much more of a lunch-pail, shut up and DO YOUR JOB type. Griffin could have defused this before it even started by saying that the final INT, which would be bad even by Grossman standards, was completely on him. Don't mention that none of your receivers were open or that protection broke down. You threw a wounded duck off your back foot while backpedaling. If he learns anything from this, I hope that it's to take some blame when warranted.

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[B]@HTTR24_7

So a player tried to fight K.Burns at a practice...Surprised that got out, but players are snitching off the record.[/B]





:Flush:

What a circus this season has turned into. Who let Vinny back in??




[quote=Bucket;1042753]Man, anyone go to HTTR24/7 Twitter? He shows a picture that "sums" up our defense. ALL 5 WR'S ARE OPEN on the play for the Eagles. LOL

Like.. How is that even possible?[/quote]

The picture of the defense (or lack thereof) in question.


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Who's K Burns?

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[quote=The Goat;1042786]Who's K Burns?[/quote]

Keith Burns, the special teams coach.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1042785][B]@HTTR24_7

So a player tried to fight K.Burns at a practice...Surprised that got out, but players are snitching off the record.[/B]





:Flush:

What a circus this season has turned into. Who let Vinny back in??






The picture of the defense (or lack thereof) in question.


[IMG]https://o.twimg.com/2/proxy.jpg?t=HBgpaHR0cHM6Ly90d2l0cGljLmNvbS9zaG93L2xhcmdlL2RseXU3dS5qcGcUrAkUxgQAFgASAA&s=rw0oD5xEfHCdKl52NVpM48j7JK_8YYP2YJ_OVJ6HGhQ[/IMG][/quote]

Any word on who the player was and what exactly happened?

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[quote=The Goat;1042770]I'd like to see RG take a much lower profile going forward, leave out all the commercials and endorsements. Keep your head down and focus on your job, the team and ultimately winning. Then he can be as arrogant as he wants and we can tell his detractors to go pound sand.[/quote]

He does endorsements after the season, off season. The only ting he promotes during the season is the military. He is who he is. The spot light is bright and it will always be bright. when things go good all you hear is RG3 and when things go bad all you hear is RG3. Greatness is thrust upon him.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1042785][B]@HTTR24_7



The picture of the defense (or lack thereof) in question.


[IMG]https://o.twimg.com/2/proxy.jpg?t=HBgpaHR0cHM6Ly90d2l0cGljLmNvbS9zaG93L2xhcmdlL2RseXU3dS5qcGcUrAkUxgQAFgASAA&s=rw0oD5xEfHCdKl52NVpM48j7JK_8YYP2YJ_OVJ6HGhQ[/IMG][/quote]

That's hilarious! Let's make sure we don't give up anything below five yards and anything above ten yards! Perfect! LOL!

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I'd love to know who that player was. It doesn't matter though since that player and Burns will more than likely be gone during the off-season.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1042785][B]@HTTR24_7

So a player tried to fight K.Burns at a practice...Surprised that got out, but players are snitching off the record.[/B]





:Flush:

What a circus this season has turned into. Who let Vinny back in??






The picture of the defense (or lack thereof) in question.


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HAHAHAHAHA

Wow this team is a cluster fuck once again.. Never fails with the redskins

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After watching the good film. I have to say...

Kyle called a pretty good game. We had a lot of WR's open on Sunday, and a lot of them were missed by RG3. One thing we need to take advantage of is Helu on running downs. Teams know when Helu is in the game it's a pretty good chance it's a pass. That's my only gripe about the play calling.

Also, I want to see more Read Option on 3rd down less that 5 yards. When we play teams like the Eagles who play 7 man boxes against us. We need to force them in the box with the threat to run. Even if it's with Helu on short yardage plays. Force them up, and throw the ball over the LB's like we did last year. I don't know why we continue to run so much RO from 1st/long

We had two long balls late in the game, and both times our WR's were held and nothing was called. I wont blame RG3 for this, because if they WR's are not held. I think the WR's had a good shot of catching the ball. Total bullshit missed calls.

Jordan Reed is open 90% of the time. Hopefully he can stay healthy enough to take advantage of it.

Moss gets no seperation at the Slot. Just throw someone in man coverage on him and he basically shut down.

^ thats some pretty in depth analysis. Who writes your material? Lol. J/k

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[quote=punch it in;1042870]^ thats some pretty in depth analysis. Who writes your material? Lol. J/k[/quote]

Hah. Just things u notice. People are early to point fingers but sometimes the film will tell the truth

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[quote=Bucket;1042865]After watching the good film. I have to say...

Kyle called a pretty good game. We had a lot of WR's open on Sunday, and a lot of them were missed by RG3. One thing we need to take advantage of is Helu on running downs. Teams know when Helu is in the game it's a pretty good chance it's a pass. That's my only gripe about the play calling.

Also, I want to see more Read Option on 3rd down less that 5 yards. When we play teams like the Eagles who play 7 man boxes against us. We need to force them in the box with the threat to run. Even if it's with Helu on short yardage plays. Force them up, and throw the ball over the LB's like we did last year. I don't know why we continue to run so much RO from 1st/long

We had two long balls late in the game, and both times our WR's were held and nothing was called. I wont blame RG3 for this, because if they WR's are not held. I think the WR's had a good shot of catching the ball. Total bullshit missed calls.

Jordan Reed is open 90% of the time. Hopefully he can stay healthy enough to take advantage of it.

Moss gets no seperation at the Slot. Just throw someone in man coverage on him and he basically shut down.[/quote]Great insight. Thanks. :food-smil

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Like a bunch of 5 year olds. Trent and this ref need to get over it.

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