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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1127435]Punch it in …I could not have said it better!![/QUOTE]


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[quote=punch it in;1127434]your very last sentence would be just fine. Totally agree with the age vs game experience thing. Late bloomer to me is a qb who starts more than one or two seasons worth of games, or drifts around the league as a backup and than bursts on to the scene, not one who rides the bench behind a first round pick for a couple years than gets his chance. I would not call steve young a late bloomer. He got a late chance. His and kc's whole nfl trips are very rare. They both were deemed worth holding onto while waiting for their chance. Not often a team picks a qb at number two than drafts another so early if at all that year. Kc never had a chance in 2012 except to come off the bench and for good reason. 2013 and 2014 to me would be a tough go for any second or third year qb. Changing of regimes and a polarizing guy like rg-3 still clearly at the forefront of the qb discussion.
If we are looking for progress we need not look towards the end of the season. I saw it just last week when he pulled off the biggest comeback in team history. No matter who we were playing that is not an easy thing to do. I for one think kc is smart enough -especially after last week - to learn not to force throws and the issue during a game. He will mature (in starting game years) and wait for a bettet team to be built around him, number one wr, better run game, better o-line, better d![/quote]



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[quote=punch it in;1127434]Your very last sentence would be just fine. Totally agree with the age vs game experience thing. Late bloomer to me is a qb who starts more than one or two seasons worth of games, or drifts around the league as a backup and than bursts on to the scene, not one who rides the bench behind a first round pick for a couple years than gets his chance.[B] I would not call Steve Young a late bloomer. He got a late chance. His and KC's whole NFL trips are very rare. They both were deemed worth holding onto while waiting for their chance.[/B][/quote]

With all due respect, no. Just. No.

Steve Young was signed out of college in '84 to the LA Express in the USFL - at the time he was given an astronomical contract to do so (10 year/ $40 Million - in '86 the average NFL salary was ~200K). Young played 1 1/2 seasons with them the Express before they went bankrupt then signed with TBay which used the first pick of the 1984 Supplemental Draft to draft and sign him (meaning TBay gave up their first rounder in the regular draft - the 2nd pick overall). His first year with TBay (for which he was only available for about half the season) he started 5 games. His second season with TB he started 14 games. Both years, TBay went 2-14. After two years in TBay where he threw 11 TD's /21 INT's, he was traded to SF for a 2nd and fourth round pick. Walsh specifically acquired Young with the intent to sit behind HOF QB Joe Montana - which Young did for three years. (BTW - in his third year/first in SF, Young threw 10 TD's and no INT's in his three games).

The problem with any comparison to Young is that Young was seen as a top tier talent coming out of college and throughout his early career. Not so Mr. Cousins. Further, sure Young had limited opportunities to start in SF waiting behind Montana ... however, and here is the big difference, Young was never sent to the bench for the likes of COLT MCCOY! KC was [I]given[/I] the job last year and LOST IT TO COLT! I repeat - KIRK COUSINS LOST THE STARTING JOB TO COLT MCCOY. Nothing in Steve Young's career is comparable to that simple fact. When given starting opportunities due to injury, Steve Young performed well but was sent to the bench for JOE MONTANA! Sorry, Young is NOT a comparable to KC. Not even a little.

[As an aside, can we stop looking for comparables for KC among HOF QB's - first it was "Manning and Farve threw a lot of INT's their first couple years." Now it's "Well, he is just getting a late shot at starting. Just like Steve Young." Barring a miraculous turnaround by KC that would be contrary to the entirety of his past QB history, no HOF QB should be used as a reasonable comparable to Kirk. Ever.]

[quote=punch it in;1127434]Not often a team picks a qb at number two than drafts another so early if at all that year. KC never had a chance in 2012 except to come off the bench and for good reason. 2013 and 2014 to me would be a tough go for any second or third year qb. Changing of regimes and a polarizing guy like RG-3 still clearly at the forefront of the qb discussion.[/quote]

Kirk has been given shots - certainly last year - to stake his claim. After three years in the league, He did not. It's just that simple.

[quote=punch it in;1127434]If we are looking for progress we need not look towards the end of the season. I saw it just last week when he pulled off the biggest comeback in team history. No matter who we were playing that is not an easy thing to do. I for one think KC is smart enough -especially after last week - to learn not to force throws and the issue during a game. He will mature (in starting game years) and wait for a bettet team to be built around him, number one wr, better run game, better o-line, better D![/quote]

He had a really good game against TBay, a really good clutch drive in Philly. He sucked against the Giants - badly. I don't know which KC is going to show up in NE but my guess is Bad Kirk. Bad Kirk shows up a lot and at random times.

He has had FOUR YEARS to learn "not to force throws" - yet he forced a Tony-Romo-I-must-be-choking throw in Atlanta that turned into a pick 6. Why "especially after last week" do you think the light has suddenly come on?? More importantly, why do you think it will stay on given his proven inconsistency?? The man is a 27 year old, fourth year QB with plenty of in-game experience & starting experience who has yet to unequivocally demonstrate that he can be a consistent starter in this league.

KC is a great guy who has shown some improvement in his play on a game by game basis. He has not, however, shown that he can string three good games in a row without being incredibly inaccurate and/or avoid multiple picks.

You want to believe in magic transformations, I am not going to stop you. I hope for one too. However, please don't try to sell me magical transformations through ill-conceived attempts at rational logic.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1127475]With all due respect, no. Just. No.



Steve Young was signed out of college in '84 to the LA Express in the USFL - at the time he was given an astronomical contract to do so (10 year/ $40 Million - in '86 the average NFL salary was ~200K). Young played 1 1/2 seasons with them the Express before they went bankrupt then signed with TBay which used the first pick of the 1984 Supplemental Draft to draft and sign him (meaning TBay gave up their first rounder in the regular draft - the 2nd pick overall). His first year with TBay (for which he was only available for about half the season) he started 5 games. His second season with TB he started 14 games. Both years, TBay went 2-14. After two years in TBay where he threw 11 TD's /21 INT's, he was traded to SF for a 2nd and fourth round pick. Walsh specifically acquired Young with the intent to sit behind HOF QB Joe Montana - which Young did for three years. (BTW - in his third year/first in SF, Young threw 10 TD's and no INT's in his three games).



The problem with any comparison to Young is that Young was seen as a top tier talent coming out of college and throughout his early career. Not so Mr. Cousins. Further, sure Young had limited opportunities to start in SF waiting behind Montana ... however, and here is the big difference, Young was never sent to the bench for the likes of COLT MCCOY! KC was [I]given[/I] the job last year and LOST IT TO COLT! I repeat - KIRK COUSINS LOST THE STARTING JOB TO COLT MCCOY. Nothing in Steve Young's career is comparable to that simple fact. When given starting opportunities due to injury, Steve Young performed well but was sent to the bench for JOE MONTANA! Sorry, Young is NOT a comparable to KC. Not even a little.



[As an aside, can we stop looking for comparables for KC among HOF QB's - first it was "Manning and Farve threw a lot of INT's their first couple years." Now it's "Well, he is just getting a late shot at starting. Just like Steve Young." Barring a miraculous turnaround by KC that would be contrary to the entirety of his past QB history, no HOF QB should be used as a reasonable comparable to Kirk. Ever.]







Kirk has been given shots - certainly last year - to stake his claim. After three years in the league, He did not. It's just that simple.







He had a really good game against TBay, a really good clutch drive in Philly. He sucked against the Giants - badly. I don't know which KC is going to show up in NE but my guess is Bad Kirk. Bad Kirk shows up a lot and at random times.



He has had FOUR YEARS to learn "not to force throws" - yet he forced a Tony-Romo-I-must-be-choking throw in Atlanta that turned into a pick 6. Why "especially after last week" do you think the light has suddenly come on?? More importantly, why do you think it will stay on given his proven inconsistency?? The man is a 27 year old, fourth year QB with plenty of in-game experience & starting experience who has yet to unequivocally demonstrate that he can be a consistent starter in this league.



KC is a great guy who has shown some improvement in his play on a game by game basis. He has not, however, shown that he can string three good games in a row without being incredibly inaccurate and/or avoid multiple picks.



You want to believe in magic transformations, I am not going to stop you. I hope for one too. However, please don't try to sell me magical transformations through ill-conceived attempts at rational logic.[/QUOTE]


Was waiting for someone to accuse me of comparing KC to Young in terms of talent. Never did I even hint at such a thing. I was simply comparing the facts that they started their careers as bench warmers in the wings. Only because you make it sound like KC is a journeyman qb - he is in a weird situation like Young to begin a career. Usfl teams and the Bucs are comparable to the crap team Cousins has had to "learn " from. Remember Young went to BYU so he was 23 when his pro career began and his time in TB was less than horrible. Threw twice as many picks as td's in those couple years but Walsh thought he had potential so he rode the pine in San Fran. If TB had A Colt Mcoy there is a good chance he would have been benched for him.
Edit: i dont want to believe in magic, or do i think - once again - that Cousins will pan out for sure. I simply want to give him a fair shake. Imo its been 8 weeks. In yours its been 4 years.
Edit : you dont learn not to force throws sitting on the bench or in practice. You just dont. You learn in gametime. You want to call coming off the bench cold against the Seahawks in the playoffs gametime go ahead. I call it being thrown to the wolves. KC is now after 4 years finally the annointed starter for an entire off season/regular season - let it play out. If we half someone half as capable as Steve Young ill be happy. Also lets be fair - Young had the greatest wr of all time and a hof team all around him. When he played for Tampa Bay he couldnt get out of his own way. Go figure.

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[quote=punch it in;1127480]Was waiting for someone to accuse me of comparing KC to Young in terms of talent. Never did I even hint at such a thing. I was simply comparing the facts that they started their careers as bench warmers in the wings. Only because you make it sound like KC is a journeyman qb - [B]he is in a weird situation like Young to begin a career. Usfl teams and the Bucs are comparable to the crap team Cousins has had to "learn " from. [/B]Remember Young went to BYU so he was 23 when his pro career began and his time in TB was less than horrible. Threw twice as many picks as td's in those couple years but Walsh thought he had potential so he rode the pine in San Fran. If TB had A Colt Mcoy there is a good chance he would have been benched for him.
Edit: i dont want to believe in magic, or do i think - once again - that Cousins will pan out for sure. I simply want to give him a fair shake. Imo its been 8 weeks. In yours its been 4 years.[/quote]

Kirk Cousins was 24 on opening day of his first NFL pro season. Same with Young. Young [I]started[/I] 19 games in his first two NFL seasons. After that, in his third year he had 10 TD and 0 INT's in his first year in SF. In his fourth year (when he was 27), Young started 3 games and threw 3 TD/3 INT's and after that his TD/INT ratio never worse than 2/1 and generally much better. Young was never, ever, ever, deemed anything other than as the presumed heir apparent to Montana after his acquisition.

As for the bolded part, it just shows to me how you will ignore facts to make it fit your theory. Young started. He had 19 games of starting experience in TBay after which Walsh saw something that made him want to trade a 2nd and 4th for the guy. But somehow, b/c they weren't "quality starts," we're going to alter reality so that it fits into the "KC just got a late start" narrative.

Last year, KC was given a fair shake. Christ, Gruden was [I]begging[/I] for him to stake a claim and end the RGIII drama. And, I'm sorry, it HAS been four years and not just eight weeks - that just plain seeing what you want to see and ignoring facts. HE IS A 27 YEAR OLD, FOURTH YEAR PLAYER. You cannot alter the time/space continuum and to wipe out what has gone before. You cannot ignore what he has been these past three. Tough road or not, he has been consistently inconsistent.

Right now, KC is not a journeyman QB. I expect that, eventually, he will be much like Grossman, Foles, Bradford, Campbell, etc. He's got the talent to bang around the league for a while whether here or someplace else. I just don't expect him to be anything other than who he has shown himself to be these last four years.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1127481]Kirk Cousins was 24 on opening day of his first NFL pro season. Same with Young. Young [I]started[/I] 19 games in his first two NFL seasons. After that, in his third year he had 10 TD and 0 INT's in his first year in SF. In his fourth year (when he was 27), Young started 3 games and threw 3 TD/3 INT's and after that his TD/INT ratio never worse than 2/1 and generally much better. Young was never, ever, ever, deemed anything other than as the presumed heir apparent to Montana after his acquisition.



As for the bolded part, it just shows to me how you will ignore facts to make it fit your theory. Young started. He had 19 games of starting experience in TBay after which Walsh saw something that made him want to trade a 2nd and 4th for the guy. But somehow, b/c they weren't "quality starts," we're going to alter reality so that it fits into the "KC just got a late start" narrative.



Last year, KC was given a fair shake. Christ, Gruden was [I]begging[/I] for him to stake a claim and end the RGIII drama. And, I'm sorry, it HAS been four years and not just eight weeks - that just plain seeing what you want to see and ignoring facts. HE IS A 27 YEAR OLD, FOURTH YEAR PLAYER. You cannot alter the time/space continuum and to wipe out what has gone before. You cannot ignore what he has been these past three. Tough road or not, he has been consistently inconsistent.



Right now, KC is not a journeyman QB. I expect that, eventually, he will be much like Grossman, Foles, Bradford, Campbell, etc. He's got the talent to bang around the league for a while whether here or someplace else. I just don't expect him to be anything other than who he has shown himself to be these last four years.[/QUOTE]


My only "theory" is that Cousins is getting a late start due to circumstance.
You keep referencing his four years. 2012 - if you remember he had two very good games against the Browns and Ravens when he came in late and won the game for us. 2013 and 2014 He was part of a damn circus with changing regimes and RG-3 was still very much the focal point. Unlike Montana who was in the late stages of his career. We certainly were not grooming both our young qb's and they were very much aware of that. There was a ton of pressure on KC. That brings us to this year. Im seeing strides. Do I see another Steve Young in terms of talent? Certainly not. Do I see someone who can actually be a good qb - better than Grossman, Foles, Bradford, or Campbell? I think I do. We both want him to be way closer to Young than Grossman when it is all said and done so lets just use our super human Redskin fan powers to make it happen. Like the Wondertwins - "Form of a maturing superstar who is not hall of fame material but good enough to win games and has a mean icy disposition to lead two minute drills!"
"Form of a better team around him built by SM including a number one wr, rungame, oline, and D!"
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[quote=JoeRedskin;1127481]Kirk Cousins was 24 on opening day of his first NFL pro season. Same with Young. [B]Young [I]started[/I] 19 games in his first two NFL seasons[/B]. [/quote]

Cousins just started his 16th game in the NFL.

To say he had a "fair shake" last year .. is not a fair shake.
- He didnt take 1st team reps throughout PS last year
- He started 5 games last year, played in 6
- QB rating over 100 in 3 of the 6 games
- 7 of his 9 ints came in 2 games
- most of his ints came when we were down by more than 2 scores

[url=http://www.nfl.com/player/kirkcousins/2532820/gamelogs?season=2014]Kirk Cousins: Game Logs at NFL.com[/url]

[url=http://nflbreakdowns.com/kirk-cousins-9-interceptions-2014/]Film Breakdown: Kirk Cousins' 9 Interceptions in 2014[/url]

This year is Cousins fair shake.

To hold an opinion of Cousins for what he did last year and not concede or consider the good things he has done this year (w all the key injuries and no running game) shows a bias imo.

Cousins is the best option we have for the rest of this year. I like the guy and see some real positives in him and I hope he continues to play well and gets better to the point Scot thinks he deserves a few years.

We have 9 more games to see what he can do. Im not rushing to judgment when I dont have to. As a redskins fan, I hope the redskins Qb does well.

For the cousins detractors - who do you want to start next week? Brady or Rodgers isnt walking through the door.

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Here is what KC is. A guy who has shown a solid makeup and grasp for what it takes to succeed in the NFL on an intellectual level. A guy who has slowly gotten better but still might have emotional deficiencies. AND A GUY WHO TOO OFTEN CANNOT HIT THE BROADSIDE OF A BARN. Nothing will matter unless he finds a magical unicorn pill that will stop him from becoming so inconsistently inaccurate. It is the fatal flaw in his game more than anything. The dagger INTs come when he is struggling to make things happen because of inaccuracy. You can see the frustration in his play ratchet as he misses throw after throw. It all adds up to ineffectiveness that puts us in stressed situations where he has to force plays.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1127291]Other than 30gut, please point to anyone suggesting, at this point, who is saying RGIII is a better option than KC?...[/quote]I don't fit into that category either.

Just for the sake of accuracy.

I have been saying, even before the season started, that Jay and Griffin wouldn't work. In fact I have been saying that Griffin should have been traded at the end of [I][U][B]last season[/B][/U][/I].

Overall my position of Kirk hasn't changed. You'll get some good, some bad, some awesome and some terrible.

What we all want is consistency especially when its comes to decision making and accuracy.

Kirk is becoming the QB he's going to be. He still has time to show consistent accuracy and decision making we are looking for...or not.

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You clowns are so damn negative lmao, kirks had 4 seasons? Get real Joe. Just.... get real dude smh

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[quote=Meks;1127495]You clowns are so damn negative lmao, kirks had 4 seasons? Get real Joe. Just.... get real dude smh[/quote]

We handle reality better than most fans. Call it negative if you want, but I dismiss people who think the world is all gumdrops and lollipops as children or idiots.

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[quote=Schneed10;1127497]We handle reality better than most fans. Call it negative if you want, but I dismiss people who think the world is all gumdrops and lollipops as children or idiots.[/quote]

Not at all man, just some hope and positive thinking in regards to our qb would be nice... instead of writing him off as a journeyman qb and shit like that.... whens the last time we had a qb who even gave us a shot to win this many close games or actually pulled wins like these off ??? I'll wait...

Show some respect the dudes giving his all and winning games and making comebacks... its not like he has a world beater team, or coach around him

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[quote=Meks;1127498]Not at all man, just some hope and positive thinking in regards to our qb would be nice... instead of writing him off as a journeyman qb and shit like that.... whens the last time we had a qb who even gave us a shot to win this many close games or actually pulled wins like these off ??? I'll wait...

Show some respect the dudes giving his all and winning games and making comebacks... its not like he has a world beater team, or coach around him[/quote]

Well if you look back at my posts you'll see I have not at all written him off. I've been saying till I'm blue in the face to wait and see how the season plays out. I've said he's definitely taken some steps, and he's also had some clunkers.

But there's no reason to rush the decision - it doesn't have to be made now. So let's leave room for all the hope in the world.

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[quote=Schneed10;1127502]Well if you look back at my posts you'll see I have not at all written him off. I've been saying till I'm blue in the face to wait and see how the season plays out. I've said he's definitely taken some steps, and he's also had some clunkers.

But there's no reason to rush the decision - it doesn't have to be made now. So let's leave room for all the hope in the world.[/quote]

No i know, i wasnt referring to you with that.. i agree, no need to rush a decision, or judgment for that matter.

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[quote=Schneed10;1127502]Well if you look back at my posts you'll see I have not at all written him off. I've been saying till I'm blue in the face to wait and see how the season plays out. I've said he's definitely taken some steps, and he's also had some clunkers.

But there's no reason to rush the decision - it doesn't have to be made now. So let's leave room for all the hope in the world.[/quote]

Cousins is not being asked to be Dan Marino.....he's being asked to manage the offense and take care of the football....he only does the latter on occasion and that's not good enough.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1127506]Cousins is not being asked to be Dan Marino.....he's being asked to manage the offense and take care of the football....he only does the latter on occasion and that's not good enough.[/quote]

Right but would you take any action today based on that knowledge?

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The reality is the kid has the talent and has shown it. But (much like the golf world) it is as much a head game as physical in his position. To date, he has been up and down. I REALLY hope he can prove that he has matured into "that" guy. We'll see.....
And in his favor, who the hell do you replace him with in the next year or two?
HTTK......

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[quote=Schneed10;1127508]Right but would you take any action today based on that knowledge?[/quote]

No. Give Cousins his 16 game audition. If Cousins manages the game accordingly against the Falcons and Jets the Redskins are a 5-2 team. Gruden knows it and McCloughan knows it and fans who know football also know it.

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[quote=Hog1;1127509]The reality is the kid has the talent and has shown it. But (much like the golf world) it is as much a head game as physical in his position. To date, he has been up and down. I REALLY hope he can prove that he has matured into "that" guy. We'll see.....
And in his favor, who the hell do you replace him with in the next year or two?
HTTK......[/quote]

Every player on an NFL roster has talent. The question is how much? I think the misreads that resulted in interceptions versus the Falcons and Jets are telling of what and how Cousins is.

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.......maybe

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To be clear, I am not writing KC off. I just don't expect him to be much more than he is now. I truly hope I am wrong. He has the year. Lets see if he can do anything with it.

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[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;1127506]Cousins is not being asked to be Dan Marino.....he's being asked to manage the offense and take care of the football....he only does the latter on occasion and that's not good enough.[/QUOTE]


Good enough to what? Start? He would start on several other teams in the league this week. Cousins is far from our big problem. Last time i checked he doesnt rush the qb, run block, or do alot of other things our team is lacking at. Yeah the guy is not perfect, but if you are holding your breath for a Tom Brady do not bother. At this point in time we need to probably focus on building a team around him not replacing him. You dont replace average qb's with time on their side. Not when you have so many other holes to fill. Not unless the guy completely shits the bed in the second half of the season. Imo he will not.

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[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;1127510]No. Give Cousins his 16 game audition. If Cousins manages the game accordingly against the Falcons and Jets the Redskins are a 5-2 team. Gruden knows it and McCloughan knows it and fans who know football also know it.[/QUOTE]


And if we had any semblance of a run d in those two games we are 5-2 also. I know this thread is about KC, BUT , it is a TEAM sport. He wasnt the only one that cost us those games. Not by a longshot.

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And if garcon holds onto the ball, and grant doesnt fall down on his face, maybe he doesnt have those picks in atl smh

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so if the pats win 35-17 is that Cousins fault?? When is the D going to be held responsible..Giving up a ton of points puts so much pressure on the QB that even the best will struggle..if we lose sunday it won't be on Cousins shoulders.

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[quote=rocnrik;1127533]so if the pats win 35-17 is that Cousins fault?? When is the D going to be held responsible..Giving up a ton of points puts so much pressure on the QB that even the best will struggle..if we lose sunday it won't be on Cousins shoulders.[/quote]

If he gets fooled a few times by a grand master of scheme against qbs i wont be surprised, ppl will over react and say he sucks and throws too many picks etc etc, yea well so do most qbs when they play bill bellicheck coached defenses. Thats reality.
Hope he plays well and the team is competitive and maybe pulls out an upset. On the road we have not played well sadly, so, we will see.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1127510]No. Give Cousins his 16 game audition. If Cousins manages the game accordingly against the Falcons and Jets the Redskins are a 5-2 team. Gruden knows it and McCloughan knows it and fans who know football also know it.[/quote]

This is funny.

You think this team, with all of its injuries, should be ..... 5-2?

even funnier ... its all bc of Kirk Cousins?

it gets better though .... you think gruden and Scot agree with you and that any fan who thinks we shouldnt be 5-2 but for Kirk Cousins doesnt know football!?!

some random stats, i dont know what to do with them.

skins v falcons - D gave up 418 yds while we managed 51 total yards rushing. despite that, down by 3 with 24 seconds left, that asshole Kirk goes 46 yards in 24 seconds for a game tying field goal. we were without reed and jackson. falcons D ranked no. 11.

skins v jets - D gives up 474 yards while we managed 34 yards rushing. By the way, we were without trent, reed and jackson going up against the no. 3 defense in the league. That was probably the least talented group of starters on offense any QB had to work with that week .. against the Jets D .. but we should have won, but for Kirk Cousins not "managing" the game.

How does a QB manage a game when he is getting 51 and 34 yards rushing or being asked to throw 38+ times? Thats not being asked to manage.

Does Kirk get any love for coming back against the Bucs for the win or do we blame him for it being 17-0.

bucs 1st 3 drives:

1st drive - 64 yds = TD
2nd drive - 71 yds = FG
3rd drive - 72 yds = TD

^^^ is that Kirks fault too?

I love this. This is such a cool new way to look at things. Lets just make stuff up to fit our agenda.

This is the kind of Cousins hate that I just do not understand. I totally understand people who want to wait and see if Kirk put together consistent games.

I do not get posts like yours though.

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[QUOTE=over the mountain;1127542]This is funny.



You think this team, with all of its injuries, should be ..... 5-2?



even funnier ... its all bc of Kirk Cousins?



it gets better though .... you think gruden and Scot agree with you and that any fan who thinks we shouldnt be 5-2 but for Kirk Cousins doesnt know football!?!



some random stats, i dont know what to do with them.



skins v falcons - D gave up 418 yds while we managed 51 total yards rushing. despite that, down by 3 with 24 seconds left, that asshole Kirk goes 46 yards in 24 seconds for a game tying field goal. we were without reed and jackson. falcons D ranked no. 11.



skins v jets - D gives up 474 yards while we managed 34 yards rushing. By the way, we were without trent, reed and jackson going up against the no. 3 defense in the league. That was probably the least talented group of starters on offense any QB had to work with that week .. against the Jets D .. but we should have won, but for Kirk Cousins not "managing" the game.



How does a QB manage a game when he is getting 51 and 34 yards rushing or being asked to throw 38+ times? Thats not being asked to manage.



Does Kirk get any love for coming back against the Bucs for the win or do we blame him for it being 17-0.



bucs 1st 3 drives:



1st drive - 64 yds = TD

2nd drive - 71 yds = FG

3rd drive - 72 yds = TD



^^^ is that Kirks fault too?



I love this. This is such a cool new way to look at things. Lets just make stuff up to fit our agenda.



This is the kind of Cousins hate that I just do not understand. I totally understand people who want to wait and see if Kirk put together consistent games.



I do not get posts like yours though.[/QUOTE]


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Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[quote=Meks;1127534]If he gets fooled a few times by a grand master of scheme against qbs i wont be surprised, ppl will over react and say he sucks and throws too many picks etc etc, yea well so do most qbs when they play bill bellicheck coached defenses. Thats reality.
Hope he plays well and the team is competitive and maybe pulls out an upset. On the road we have not played well sadly, so, we will see.[/quote]

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/passing/sort/netPassingYardsPerGame/position/defense]2015 NFL Team Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN[/url]

New England is middle of the road passing defense yardage-wise...and seem to be avg to slightly above average generating interceptions. Philly and Giants do a better job generating them.

So this monster of a defense you describe is not really true. Cousins will have opportunities and is expected not to turn the ball over.

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[quote=Chico23231;1127550][url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/passing/sort/netPassingYardsPerGame/position/defense]2015 NFL Team Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN[/url]

New England is middle of the road passing defense yardage-wise...and seem to be avg to slightly above average generating interceptions. Philly and Giants do a better job generating them.

So this monster of a defense you describe is not really true. Cousins will have opportunities and is expected not to turn the ball over.[/quote]

well, cousins seems to struggle with disguise defenses. much like revis' pick where they played mostly man all year, almost exclusively man all 1st half then on that play show man but really it was zone.

cousins, when pressured, needs to not throw a blind ball trusting what the D showed presnap will hold true post-snap.

Belichick with 10 days would scare any Qb, much less Kirk Cousins.

Plus, we are a 14 pt dog and are expected to be playing from behind by double digits all game = cousins throws more 50/50 balls than he would like = ints.

no one is saying Cousins is a top 10 or even 20 QB at this point.

i guess if and when we get behind by a few scores ... our QB should play conservative and not take chances to make a comeback?

i really really hope our run game and front D line got fixed over the bye. would be huge to get back to what we were the first 2 games.

if cousins throws more than 32 times = loss

if cousins has to throw over 40 times = epic loss w multiple picks.

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

Jay and McVay need to have their shit together, Kirk is gonna need a gameplan that takes what we saw against Tampa and expands on it. Prior to the Tampa I felt their game plans to be limited.

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[QUOTE=over the mountain;1127552]well, cousins seems to struggle with disguise defenses. much like revis' pick where they played mostly man all year, almost exclusively man all 1st half then on that play show man but really it was zone.



cousins, when pressured, needs to not throw a blind ball trusting what the D showed presnap will hold true post-snap.



Belichick with 10 days would scare any Qb, much less Kirk Cousins.



Plus, we are a 14 pt dog and are expected to be playing from behind by double digits all game = cousins throws more 50/50 balls than he would like = ints.



no one is saying Cousins is a top 10 or even 20 QB at this point.



i guess if and when we get behind by a few scores ... our QB should play conservative and not take chances to make a comeback?



i really really hope our run game and front D line got fixed over the bye. would be huge to get back to what we were the first 2 games.



if cousins throws more than 32 times = loss



if cousins has to throw over 40 times = epic loss w multiple picks.[/QUOTE]


If our defense lets them score 50 points on 500 yards of offense than KC will wind up throwing more than 30 passes. I dont see us running much when we are down 30 in the second quarter. We absolutely have to contain them. Once again it is a team sport. The D feeds off the O and thr O feeds off the D.
Are we getting any players back?

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

Nothing says "time for a QB change" more than "its ok if Cousins throws interceptions because its the Pats or Belicheck defense. "

Get the fuck out with that bullshit

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[quote=Chico23231;1127555]Nothing says "time for a QB change" more than "its ok if Cousins throws interceptions because its the Pats or Belicheck defense. "

Get the fuck out with that bullshit[/quote]

lol - dude what do you want me to do? we are a double digit dog at foxboro. while there is always a chance, the projections dont look good for us.

"time for a QB change" .... change to who? ultimately, no matter how any of us feel about cousins, there is no better alternative and barring injury he will have 9 games to prove or disprove himself.

this debate is about 9 games too early.

i tried to stay out of this cyclical thread but that post about 5-2 just riled me up.

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[quote=over the mountain;1127556]lol - dude what do you want me to do? we are a double digit dog at foxboro. while there is always a chance, the projections dont look good for us.

[B]"time for a QB change" .... change to who? ultimately, no matter how any of us feel about cousins, there is no better alternative and barring injury he will have 9 games to prove or disprove himself.
[/B]
this debate is about 9 games too early.

i tried to stay out of this cyclical thread but that post about 5-2 just riled me up.[/quote]

Seriously, can we just put this to bed already? It's KC or bust at this point.

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[quote=over the mountain;1127556]

[B]this debate is about 9 games too early. [/B]
[/quote]

Amen. Been saying it till I'm blue in the face.

You can't take any action now. It's a pointless discussion at this point.

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1127558]Seriously, can we just put this to bed already? It's KC or bust at this point.[/QUOTE]


Its play well as a "team" or bust. Just sayin. There are qb's who can make everyone around them better. There are qb's who can get the job done with the rite pieces around them. There are qb's who suck no matter what. Imo KC is good enough. Unless someone in tier 1 falls into our laps we will continue to build around KC.

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[quote=Chico23231;1127550][url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/passing/sort/netPassingYardsPerGame/position/defense]2015 NFL Team Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN[/url]

New England is middle of the road passing defense yardage-wise...and seem to be avg to slightly above average generating interceptions. Philly and Giants do a better job generating them.

So this monster of a defense you describe is not really true. Cousins will have opportunities and is expected not to turn the ball over.[/quote]

Did i say monster of a defense?
I think i said grand master of scheme against qbs bill bellicheck.....
Hmmmmm......
*sips kool aid*
But thats none of my business...

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[quote=30gut;1127553]Jay and McVay need to have their shit together, Kirk is gonna need a gameplan that takes what we saw against Tampa and expands on it. Prior to the Tampa I felt their game plans to be limited.[/quote]

A short passing game with a run sprinkled in every now and then to keep them honest?

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/matchup?gameId=400791511]Buccaneers vs. Redskins - Team Statistics - October 25, 2015 - ESPN[/url]