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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1195099]Is it Home Dome that's an advantage? Or is it just that Home is an advantage?



Is this spread in passer rating any different for teams who play in outdoor stadiums?



We're officially off the rails.[/QUOTE]



Lol. It was a dumb ass thing at first. But I literally started wondering if ur average quarterback prefers to play in a dome. Perfect weather and no wind is definitely a factor. Anyway every dome game i ever watch for the rest of my life will be obscurely fascinating from now on.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1195097][url]https://twitter.com/ChrisWesseling/status/1002242117354143745[/url]



Interesting stat on percentage of drives (excluding kneel downs) that led to scoring:



AS - 6th at 46.9%

KC - 22nd at 33%



Obviously a stat dependent on teammates but still interesting.[/QUOTE]



This would have alot to do with homefield - arrowhead vs fedex where more away jerseys are par for the course and obviously weapons - coaching etc. Anyway I will stick to my intuition that tells me AS will be better in Grudens system - mobile and less mistake prone. Also that KC will light it up with that cast in Minny. I honestly think that us and Minny are better off than we were. Its a win win.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1195115]Last post I'll do on Kirks overall game, this is his RZ %s. kirk's biggest area of needed improvement is the RZ. He ranked in the bottom half of the league in RZ completion %. Alex Smith? He was in the top 10. [IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180601/f624fa9275f20142054307509c1ef1fd.jpg[/IMG]

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]



But Grudens RZ playcalling wasn’t exactly Lombardi-ish, i mean enough with the fade pass when we dont have a go up and get guy. We were so predictable inside the 20 it was disgusting. Smith had weapons and Reid is just a better coach. Maybe doc will have a break out year. Maybe Reed will stay healthy. Maybe Guice will bust some big runs and set us up closer to the goal line. We were always big play big play - wtf do we do now that we cant throw deep? Doc, Guice and A healthy Reed are such big pieces of the puzzle.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1195118]Lol. It was a dumb ass thing at first. But I literally started wondering if ur average quarterback prefers to play in a dome. Perfect weather and no wind is definitely a factor. Anyway every dome game i ever watch for the rest of my life will be obscurely fascinating from now on.[/QUOTE]You are welcome. :food-smil

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1195121]You are welcome. :food-smil[/QUOTE]



Thank you C Red. It is definitely the gift that keeps on giving. I wonder if my reply would have been the same in a road dome game? [emoji848]

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1195122]Thank you C Red. It is definitely the gift that keeps on giving. I wonder if my reply would have been the same in a road dome game? [emoji848][/QUOTE]As long as you dont start talking about the number of drives you take that end with you scoring, it is all good!

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1195123]As long as you dont start talking about the number of drives you take that end with you scoring, it is all good![/QUOTE]



Oh im a complete stud. Every drive i take ends with a score!

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[quote=MTK;1195117]But how are his RZ stats in a dome?[/quote]

Let me dig that up today

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If a train leaving New York at 9:10am going 55 MPH and a train leaving Chicago at 10:00am going 70 MPH heading towards one another on the same track, at what time will Kirk Cousins shit the bed in a dome stadium?

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[quote=MTK;1195117]But how are his RZ stats in a dome?[/quote]

Speaking of this topic.. [url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/05/31/vikings-concentrating-on-red-zone-work-for-kirk-cousins/?sf190776743=1[/url]

As for Kirk inside a dome? I counted Dallas being a dome since the roof was closed the majority of the time.

1-7 In domes

111.5 Career Passer rating in domes.

18 TDS 11 Ints


[B]RED ZONE TD PERCENTAGE = 52.5%[/B]

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[quote=schneed10;1195133]if a train leaving new york at 9:10am going 55 mph and a train leaving chicago at 10:00am going 70 mph heading towards one another on the same track, at what time will kirk cousins shit the bed in a dome stadium?[/quote]

lmao

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[quote=Schneed10;1195133]If a train leaving New York at 9:10am going 55 MPH and a train leaving Chicago at 10:00am going 70 MPH heading towards one another on the same track, at what time will Kirk Cousins shit the bed in a dome stadium?[/quote]

It depends on the airspeed of an unladen African swallow.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1195143]It depends on the airspeed of an unladen African swallow.[/QUOTE]



Lets keep the racism in the anthem thread please. Joking. Joking.

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If Doctson shows up this year, does Smith get any credit?

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1195161]If Doctson shows up this year, does Smith get any credit?[/quote]

I assume so, for passing him the ball. Unless of course Smith goes out for the year on the first play from scrimmage and McCoy becomes a stud.

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[QUOTE=OmahaRedskins;1195161]If Doctson shows up this year, does Smith get any credit?[/QUOTE]



He will from the Cousins haters. The rest will say he finally came into his own. Personally I don’t give a crap what the reason is as long as he shows up and it helps us win more games.

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[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfgIMttUEAAbQCV.jpg:large[/IMG]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1195483][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfgIMttUEAAbQCV.jpg:large[/IMG][/quote]

Do they show a passer rating chart like this for times when the QB is 'under pressure'? That to me would be the real indicator of when a QB is earning his money.

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[quote=Schneed10;1195485]Do they show a passer rating chart like this for times when the QB is 'under pressure'? That to me would be the real indicator of when a QB is earning his money.[/quote]

Yes

[IMG]https://media.profootballfocus.com/2018/03/Barrett-16.png[/IMG]

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The graphics don't line up?

AS Clean pocket in the second picture is 107.1, in the first his is 115.3

KC in the 2nd has a clean pocket of 111.6 but isn't in the top 10 of the first list?

Was the first one from 2017 or any idea why the discrepancy?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1195490]The graphics don't line up?

AS Clean pocket in the second picture is 107.1, in the first his is 115.3

KC in the 2nd has a clean pocket of 111.6 but isn't in the top 10 of the first list?

Was the first one from 2017 or any idea why the discrepancy?[/quote]

Yes u are right, the 2nd was from 2017 just caught that. I'll try and find one for 2018

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For the analytically challenged among us, the chart is sorted based on the differential between a player's passer rating when not under pressure and his passer rating when under pressure.

That doesn't answer my question but you can still use it. The darker the green in the second to last column, the better the player is under pressure.

Passer rating under pressure looks exactly as you'd expect it would:

1) Aaron Rodgers 105.0
2) Russell Wilson 103.0
3) Tyrod Taylor 99.4
4) Tom Brady 99.0
5) Ben Roethlisberger 97.4

Gotta go a long way down to find Alex Smith, with a rating of 77.6, and Cousins with 82.7.

But the key to keep in mind is PFF still uses passer rating, instead of ESPN's proprietary QBR. QBR takes into account yards gained on the ground and whether they converted to first downs or not. These passer rating stats do not.

As we know, Smith is among the league leaders in those stats. So this data from PFF should be interpreted as rating [B]when the QB throws the ball[/B] while under pressure.

If you take into account first downs gained via scramble, Alex Smith would vault up the list.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1195490]The graphics don't line up?

AS Clean pocket in the second picture is 107.1, in the first his is 115.3

KC in the 2nd has a clean pocket of 111.6 but isn't in the top 10 of the first list?

Was the first one from 2017 or any idea why the discrepancy?[/quote]

Good catch. Smith will no doubt look better in the 2017 stats.

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[quote=Schneed10;1195492]For the analytically challenged among us, the chart is sorted based on the differential between a player's passer rating when not under pressure and his passer rating when under pressure.

That doesn't answer my question but you can still use it. The darker the green in the second to last column, the better the player is under pressure.

Passer rating under pressure looks exactly as you'd expect it would:

1) Aaron Rodgers 105.0
2) Russell Wilson 103.0
3) Tyrod Taylor 99.4
4) Tom Brady 99.0
5) Ben Roethlisberger 97.4

Gotta go a long way down to find Alex Smith, with a rating of 77.6, and Cousins with 82.7.

But the key to keep in mind is PFF still uses passer rating, instead of ESPN's proprietary QBR. QBR takes into account yards gained on the ground and whether they converted to first downs or not. These passer rating stats do not.

As we know, Smith is among the league leaders in those stats. So this data from PFF should be interpreted as rating [B]when the QB throws the ball[/B] while under pressure.

If you take into account first downs gained via scramble, Alex Smith would vault up the list.[/quote]

Smith was one of the best on 3rd down last yr and has been for a while now, we will def benefit from having him back there. Although Kirk ranked in the top 5 of deep pass attempts on 3&10 or less, he didn't connect on them often.

Last season nobody faced more pressure more than RW, and he was insanely good. I've been given the task of gathering stats for College QB's coming into this yr, pretty cool stuff.

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As a Cousins hater, I take this to mean Cousins was a big stupid do-do head.

Go Alex!!

[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2018/6/12/17453056/jay-gruden-redskins-mini-camp-presser-alex-smith-is-the-smartest-guy-ive-ever-been-around[/url]

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Jay on Alex

"We are not here to build a team around Alex, the team is already built and he has to lead it. The urgency to win now is there"

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1195518]As a Cousins hater, I take this to mean Cousins was a big stupid do-do head.

Go Alex!!

[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2018/6/12/17453056/jay-gruden-redskins-mini-camp-presser-alex-smith-is-the-smartest-guy-ive-ever-been-around[/url][/quote]

ROTFL!!!! "do-do head"

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[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgfvsNAVQAAdfsT.jpg:large[/IMG]


Jay on AS

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1195495]Smith was one of the best on 3rd down last yr and has been for a while now[/quote]

This is absolutely, unquestionably incorrect. Alex Smith is NOT a good QB on 3rd down, and never has been. He ranked 22nd in the NFL last year. 22nd isnt "one of the best" in my eyes.

stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=NFL&rank=098&type=&year=

He is the king of completing a 4 yard dump off pass when you need 7 yards. It is one of the many things that drove me nuts about him the past 5 years. His completion percentage on 3rd down often looks great, but his conversion rate is almost always pathetic.

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[quote=kcVisitor;1196041]This is absolutely, unquestionably incorrect. Alex Smith is NOT a good QB on 3rd down, and never has been. He ranked 22nd in the NFL last year. 22nd isnt "one of the best" in my eyes.

stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=NFL&rank=098&type=&year=

He is the king of completing a 4 yard dump off pass when you need 7 yards. It is one of the many things that drove me nuts about him the past 5 years. His completion percentage on 3rd down often looks great, but his conversion rate is almost always pathetic.[/quote]

So the receivers ran their routes far enough and Smith refused to throw the ball to them unless they came back a few yards?

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[quote=Number44;1196042]So the receivers ran their routes far enough and Smith refused to throw the ball to them unless they came back a few yards?[/quote]

Alex Smith often doesnt let plays develop. He is quick to get the ball out to the short man. He comes off of his progressions WAY too fast, and often moves off of his primary or initial secondary target right before that player breaks open. Its maddening.

Regardless, year after year, Alex is below average at 3rd down conversion rate relative to his peers.

High completion percentage. High passer rating. Low conversion percentage. Unfortunately, the conversion rate is the important part, and Alex has never been good at that.

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[url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2017/redzone-passing.htm[/url]

Red Zone Passing Stats

Im more concerned here than above.

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[quote=kcVisitor;1196043]Alex Smith often doesnt let plays develop. He is quick to get the ball out to the short man. He comes off of his progressions WAY too fast, and often moves off of his primary or initial secondary target right before that player breaks open. Its maddening.

Regardless, year after year, Alex is below average at 3rd down conversion rate relative to his peers.

High completion percentage. High passer rating. Low conversion percentage. Unfortunately, the conversion rate is the important part, and Alex has never been good at that.[/quote]

Thanks for the info. Gruden's offense is designed so that there is almost always an open receiver somewhere. In addition, most of our dump off guys (Crowder, Thompson, Reed, Davis) are pretty good at YAC. While I have no expectation that Smith will abandon his dump-off ways, I am hopeful that we have a coach and players that will be able to make that a strength - or at least not a crippling weakness. lol

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[quote=Chico23231;1196044][url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2017/redzone-passing.htm[/url]

Red Zone Passing Stats

Im more concerned here than above.[/quote]

He had an off year in the RZ, it happens. Alex will never wow u with stats anyway, last year was a "fluke" yr if u will. He will still be the same 22 td 7 ints kind of guy with us. The main thing he brings is WINS, the guy is clutch in the 4th qtr, he doesn't make huge mistakes that cost the team wins. Kirk is a better numbers guy than Alex but I'll take the experience and wins over that any day.

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[quote=kcVisitor;1196041]This is absolutely, unquestionably incorrect. Alex Smith is NOT a good QB on 3rd down, and never has been. He ranked 22nd in the NFL last year. 22nd isnt "one of the best" in my eyes.

stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=NFL&rank=098&type=&year=

He is the king of completing a 4 yard dump off pass when you need 7 yards. It is one of the many things that drove me nuts about him the past 5 years. His completion percentage on 3rd down often looks great, but his conversion rate is almost always pathetic.[/quote]

That was KCousins to a tee, so any chance AS has to be better will be good for us. He won't be worse.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1196052]That was KCousins to a tee, so any chance AS has to be better will be good for us. He won't be worse.[/quote]

Main improvement should be less turnovers. He's very safe with the ball (to a point he's been criticized for it, but I'm fine with that!).

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I'm pretty excited to see us have a chance to actually compete in a prime time game. We've been pretty terrible in those for quite some time now.

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Over the last week I have been assigned QB Grades and Charting process, I just finished the skins eagles MNF game. Kirk did a solid job using his playmakers in space (Reed, CT, Crowder) but it is clear as day why we didn't really beg him to stay.. When you see the tape closely it really shows him missing wide open guys, also I wanted to see if Sean Salisbury had any substance behind his "Kirk is just a stat guy" I didn't see him being selfish but I DID see him take sacks when he easily could have thrown the ball away, one play closer to the end of the game when we were down , he had Doc one on one in the EZ and instead of throwing a 50/50 ball, he took a ridiculous sack after having plenty of time. When you see the End Zone angle it shows our Line still busting ass in a losing situation, he got up after the sack and walks off with his head down. I'm not bashing Kirk, I loved having the guy but can Kirk make a throw on the move like Alex did against us last year? 4th Qtr game on the line? I just don't think he can. It's why we wanted Smith over Cousins.

Side Note: Wentz pocket presence is amazing, I was secretly hating on him because I was jealous of the Eagles winning it all w/out him but no doubt he is the real deal. I wonder if this injury will impact his running though.

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[quote=OnceWeWereKings;1196074]I'm pretty excited to see us have a chance to actually compete in a prime time game. We've been pretty terrible in those for quite some time now.[/quote]

especially the dome ones

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[IMG]https://media.profootballfocus.com/2018/06/RPOsYPA-768x422.jpg[/IMG]

Last year we led the NFL in YPA on RPO plays, with Alex here now I would imagine it would stay this way.