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[quote=GridIron26;1226920]Just read this great article about Kerrigan and how committed he is to maintaining his body for football.. Perhaps there is not much else Redskins can do to prevent injuries, only players themselves need to put in the work and commit to body maintenance on their own? Kerrigan gave a great example - "If you are out here working your ass off in training camp and going back to the hotel and ordering burgers and fries for dinner, you are going to struggle the next few days."

[url]https://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/38815/secrets-of-a-redskins-ironman-300-ounces-of-water-colt-tubs-float-pods[/url][/quote]

I could be wrong, but it sounded like Kerrigan was calling out some people in this interview...at least people that are no longer with the team.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1227696]I could be wrong, but it sounded like Kerrigan was calling out some people in this interview...at least people that are no longer with the team.[/quote]

That's what I thought too, sure seems like it. I hope there's at least one or two players that his words rub off on, we need all the help we can get at preventing injuries.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1226940]I wouldn't be surprised but, in view of the first five games on their schedule, it might be grossly unfair to fire him mid-season.

Game 1 - at Philly
Game 2 - Dallas
Game 3 - Chicago
Game 4 - at NYG
Game 5 - New England[/quote]

Why is everyone worried about the schedule so much? Do the Eagles have the 85 Bear defense? They can be had. Is Tribisky Pat Mahomes or something? I see possibly 2-3 wins in there. Or 1-4 / 0-5. That's why you play the games. No one knows who's going to turn the ball over or when the Pats may fall off a cliff.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1227700]Why is everyone worried about the schedule so much? Do the Eagles have the 85 Bear defense? They can be had. Is Tribisky Pat Mahomes or something? I see possibly 2-3 wins in there. Or 1-4 / 0-5. That's why you play the games. No one knows who's going to turn the ball over or when the Pats may fall off a cliff.[/quote]

I'll take a gander, the Pats will fall off a cliff when Brady and Belichick retire. They laid the foundation for their entire culture. Until then they could start 0-5 and I'd still think they could be in the playoffs.

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[quote=mooby;1227701]I'll take a gander, the Pats will fall off a cliff when Brady and Belichick retire. They laid the foundation for their entire culture. Until then they could start 0-5 and I'd still think they could be in the playoffs.[/quote]

If my memory serves me right Belichick has always treated the first 4 regular season games like preseason. They have been 2-2 in September quite a few times, then finish with 12 or more wins.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1227703]If my memory serves me right Belichick has always treated the first 4 regular season games like preseason. They have been 2-2 in September quite a few times, then finish with 12 or more wins.[/quote]

Pats have been starting slow the last few years...they lost to the Lions last year...are we better than the Lions? Of course, under Jay...Skins have started slow as well.

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Redskins coach Jay Gruden said he expects tight end Jordan Reed to be available for the season opener at Philadelphia. Reed entered the concussion protocol after a hit in Thursday's preseason win at Atlanta. "We're quite confident that Jordan will be fine," Gruden said. That's good news for a team whose passing game revolves largely around Reed.


John Keim, ESPN Staff Writer
49m ago

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1227708]Redskins coach Jay Gruden said he expects tight end Jordan Reed to be available for the season opener at Philadelphia. Reed entered the concussion protocol after a hit in Thursday's preseason win at Atlanta. "We're quite confident that Jordan will be fine," Gruden said. That's good news for a team whose passing game revolves largely around Reed.


John Keim, ESPN Staff Writer
49m ago[/quote]

Awesome

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[quote=skinsfan69;1227700]Why is everyone worried about the schedule so much? Do the Eagles have the 85 Bear defense? They can be had. Is Tribisky Pat Mahomes or something? I see possibly 2-3 wins in there. Or 1-4 / 0-5. That's why you play the games. No one knows who's going to turn the ball over or when the Pats may fall off a cliff.[/quote]

4 of 5 playoff teams ain’t no joke.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1227708]Redskins coach Jay Gruden said he expects tight end Jordan Reed to be available for the season opener at Philadelphia. Reed entered the concussion protocol after a hit in Thursday's preseason win at Atlanta. "We're quite confident that Jordan will be fine," Gruden said. That's good news for a team whose passing game revolves largely around Reed.


John Keim, ESPN Staff Writer
49m ago[/quote]

And when isn't Gruden overly optimistic about players coming back from injury? Also concussions usually have a cumulative effect. The more you get the easier you get them and the longer the effects last.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1227712]And when isn't Gruden overly optimistic about players coming back from injury? Also concussions usually have a cumulative effect. The more you get the easier you get them and the longer the effects last.[/quote]

That was my thought exactly. Game day if Reed isn't ready, Gruden will simply say Well ahhh you know concussions are a tricky thing, and we don't want him rushing onto the field.

Later when it's found out they tried to rush him on the field, it will be, Well ahh Jordan is a gamer, and wanted to get in for the team, but the docs had to do what they had to do.

In the class action lawsuit, Gruden will be like, Well ahh Bruce Allen and DS ahh were my bosses, and I ahh went with their instructions and ahh we just wanted to win those games for the fans.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1227713]That was my thought exactly. Game day if Reed isn't ready, Gruden will simply say Well ahhh you know concussions are a tricky thing, and we don't want him rushing onto the field.

Later when it's found out they tried to rush him on the field, it will be, Well ahh Jordan is a gamer, and wanted to get in for the team, but the docs had to do what they had to do.

In the class action lawsuit, Gruden will be like, Well ahh Bruce Allen and DS ahh were my bosses, and I ahh went with their instructions and ahh we just wanted to win those games for the fans.[/quote]

Ha! That is hilarious and true.
Someone should start a thread on predictions on how many games Reed plays this season. Then Gruden will say, nobody could have seen that coming.

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Some bulletin board fodder if fans want it.

Guess how many players we have in the ESPN top 100?
[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26881107/2019-nflrank-predicting-nfl-best-100-players-season[/url]

If you guessed 0, that's correct.

Also SI's actual NFL prediction mag (not online) predicted us to go 3-13. TL;DR: QB is a shitshow, because Keenum is not that good and Haskins is too green. No talent at WR, J.Reed isn't a 16 game player, and a terrible offensive line (legit point there, does anybody feel good with Penn/Christian/Flowers on the left side?) combined with only a good defensive line on the flip side = 3-13. No respect whatsoever, although they did say Sweat might be good and Kerrigan is perpetually underrated.

Also if anybody wants a good read, I recommend this quality article about the coaching tree that sprouted out of M. Shanny's staff here. The low point is implying our FO was too stupid to realize what they had on their hands here (I think you gotta put some blame on M. Shanny for going 3-13 his final year).

[url]https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/08/23/washington-redskins-2013-coaching-staff-sean-mcvay-kyle-shanahan-matt-lafleur-mike-shanahan-rg3[/url]

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Fuck’m all. Defense gonna turn heads, just need the offense to hold up their end.

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[quote=Chico23231;1227719]Fuck’m all. Defense gonna turn heads, just need the offense to hold up their end.[/quote]

They will, the running game is going to open the offense, this ain’t you granma’s team. Barring injuries, I see playoffs.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1227720]They will, the running game is going to open the offense, this ain’t you granma’s team. Barring injuries, I see playoffs.[/QUOTE]Timing is everything.

On Cooley's pod today he is taking about the O not being built to pass, but not being built to run either.

Why do you think the running game will be different going into the 6th year of Jay's scheme?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1227720]They will, the running game is going to open the offense, this ain’t you granma’s team. Barring injuries, I see playoffs.[/quote]

really, opponents are going to stack the line of scrimmage until the Skins prove they can throw downfield

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[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1227722]really, opponents are going to stack the line of scrimmage until the Skins prove they can throw downfield[/QUOTE]I see many roll outs and playaction in keenum's future. Fortunately, keenum can do those things well.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1227722]really, opponents are going to stack the line of scrimmage until the Skins prove they can throw downfield[/quote]

Let them, our WR corps will be much better than folks think, the OL believe it or not will do the job. I see Martin unseating Flowers quickly, been watching him and he controls his opponent, sometimes gets beat but is getting better each week.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1227724]Let them, our WR corps will be much better than folks think, the OL believe it or not will do the job. I see Martin unseating Flowers quickly, been watching him and he controls his opponent, sometimes gets beat but is getting better each week.[/quote]

Which WR has demonstrated he will be a threat?

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[quote=Irrefutable;1227729]Which WR has demonstrated he will be a threat?[/quote]

Sims, Harmon, McLaurin, Davis, Quinn, just watch.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1227689]Wes Martin should start

[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2019/8/25/20832018/film-study-getting-a-look-at-the-redskins-young-interior-offensive-linemen[/url][/quote]

Good read thanks.

He didn't look nearly as great so far in pre-season as he did on his highlights (crazy, right? ^^) but potential is evident. Hope he earns the starting job soon.

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Jordan Reed and others could retire soon if they read this

[url]https://news.yahoo.com/concussion-linked-erectile-dysfunction-ex-us-football-pros-171904010.html[/url]

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[quote=Irrefutable;1227739]Jordan Reed and others could retire soon if they read this

[url]https://news.yahoo.com/concussion-linked-erectile-dysfunction-ex-us-football-pros-171904010.html[/url][/quote]

Um that's why there's Viagra. The shit works.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1227739]Jordan Reed and others could retire soon if they read this

[url]https://news.yahoo.com/concussion-linked-erectile-dysfunction-ex-us-football-pros-171904010.html[/url][/quote]

Just glancing that article is full of a bunch of theory, that has nothing to back it up. Scientific "theory" as in guess work.

A good example:

[I][B]Among all the ex-players, whose mean age was 53, indicators of low testosterone and ED were about 18 percent and 23 percent respectively[/B][/I]

Pretty sure the average 53 year old man has indication of low testosterone and 1/4 of them have ED.

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So Gruden pretty much named Penn the starter at LT.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1227743]So Gruden pretty much named Penn the starter at LT.[/quote]

No brainer there.

Now how long until we can get Flowers out and Martin in?

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[quote=MTK;1227746]No brainer there.

Now how long until we can get Flowers out and Martin in?[/quote]

I feel ok about Penn, hope Trent gets resolved soon so we know what the hell to do

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Flowers is starting at LG per Jay

"Josh Doctson is not playing this week"

Yeah he's gone

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1227741]Just glancing that article is full of a bunch of theory, that has nothing to back it up. Scientific "theory" as in guess work.

A good example:

[I][B]Among all the ex-players, whose mean age was 53, indicators of low testosterone and ED were about 18 percent and 23 percent respectively[/B][/I]

Pretty sure the average 53 year old man has indication of low testosterone and 1/4 of them have ED.[/quote]

Sorry but those stastics are comparable to a man in his 80s not for a mid 50s man.

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I see Gruden’s only path to staying beyond this season to developing Haskins. Defenses will know Guice and AP are good and they will put 8 in the box until Case shows he can get it downfield AND the OL proves it can pass protect.

6 years has proved Jay Gruden to be an average AT BEST, head coach. He can’t get the team prepared for “must win” games, he’s predictable and he rarely wins the second half. After we get through the first 5 games, at 1-4, he’ll put in Haskins to try to save his career. Not by winning games, but by developing him.


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[quote=Warthog;1227767]I see Gruden’s only path to staying beyond this season to developing Haskins. Defenses will know Guice and AP are good and they will put 8 in the box until Case shows he can get it downfield AND the OL proves it can pass protect.

6 years has proved Jay Gruden to be an average AT BEST, head coach. He can’t get the team prepared for “must win” games, he’s predictable and he rarely wins the second half. After we get through the first 5 games, at 1-4, he’ll put in Haskins to try to save his career. Not by winning games, but by developing him.


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I think we'll be 2-3 but Haskins will start after Thanksgiving

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I see Haskins playing in the first half of the season.

Case will have to show he can move the team by passing, because the ground game will be closed by teams stacking the line to prevent it. Also our OL is going have to prove they can really pass protect.


The one group I have faith in is the WRs. They will be severely unrated and they have some talent, speed, side and youth with C.Sims, Quinn, Richardson, MacLaurin, Davis and Harmon.


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Gruden named flowers the starter at LG

Fuck this team

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1227772]Gruden named flowers the starter at LG



Fuck this team[/QUOTE]



This is exactly like the Keemun / Haskins situation. Martin is slightly worse than Flowers RIGHT NOW, but it Gruden would start the rookies on Day 1, they would probably be better than the veteran by halfway through the season and certainly by December.

Flowers is going to be trampled by pass rushers until Gruden brings in Martin.


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[quote=Warthog;1227776]This is exactly like the Keemun / Haskins situation. Martin is slightly worse than Flowers RIGHT NOW, but it Gruden would start the rookies on Day 1, they would probably be better than the veteran by halfway through the season and certainly by December.

Flowers is going to be trampled by pass rushers until Gruden brings in Martin.


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I don't have a problem with this IF Gruden finds a way to overcome Flowers' deficiency as a pass blocker.

Also, this team is going to run the hell out of the ball, so at least Flowers showed some improvement on that.

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[quote=Chico23231;1227772]Gruden named flowers the starter at LG

Fuck this team[/quote]

That won’t last long, so I’m not worried.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1227772]Gruden named flowers the starter at LG



Fuck this team[/QUOTE]I think people are underselling Flowers. Watch the 1's, and Flowers specifically, on power runs to the left, he opened the lane for AP and Guice's biggest runs. We will have to help the left side in passing but you pull Scherf around and Guice and AP are going to be explosive.

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So I’ve heard his name a couple times, Keim saying he could make the roster:

“Jay Gruden said of WR Steven Sims: “electric. Has the speed to separate... has a ways to go as far as getting ready to play. I love the prospect of getting the ball in his hands.” He has a definite shot to make this roster. ...”

So 2 Sims at WR?

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[quote=Chico23231;1227787]So I’ve heard his name a couple times, Keim saying he could make the roster:

“Jay Gruden said of WR Steven Sims: “electric. Has the speed to separate... has a ways to go as far as getting ready to play. I love the prospect of getting the ball in his hands.” He has a definite shot to make this roster. ...”

So 2 Sims at WR?[/quote]

Mclaurin, Richardson, Quinn, Harmon, Davis, Cam Sims. I think he ends up in the PS.