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[quote=GridIron26;1320167]We brought back Wes Martin after he was waived by Jags.. I'm surprised we decided to bring Martin back, instead of Flowers. I think Flowers is better than Martin...[/quote]

He definitely is, but would cost significantly more, wouldn't he?

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[quote=GridIron26;1320167]We brought back Wes Martin after he was waived by Jags.. I'm surprised we decided to bring Martin back, instead of Flowers. I think Flowers is better than Martin...[/quote]

I think Flowers wants too much money.

It’s concerning our Free Agent Guard Turner hasn’t played yet..but they haven’t put him on PUP yet

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Yeah I saw that too, I assume he is just a camp body for last preseason game so they don't need to risk our guards getting injured. Assume he will come in after Paul, Montiero and Charles at the back end of the game.

I thought it was interesting that they started Montiero last week ahead of Paul when they needed to protect Wentz.

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Good point about the money part, I didn't even think of that when I saw the news.. We don't know how much Flowers is asking but I don't believe he is asking for a lot and I wouldn't mind giving him a few extra millions, just to have a better player in the guard position.

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[QUOTE=GridIron26;1320178]Good point about the money part, I didn't even think of that when I saw the news.. We don't know how much Flowers is asking but I don't believe he is asking for a lot and I wouldn't mind giving him a few extra millions, just to have a better player in the guard position.[/QUOTE]

That's not a crazy thought at all. I was in favor of keeping him in the first place. But the decision too not give him those extra millions was made back when they signed Andrew Norwell. He's sidelined right now but it doesn't seem to be anything too serious, so I don't see why they would change their minds now.

EDIT: apparently both Norwell, and Schweitzer are back at practice. And Turner is working through his quad injury.

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I haven't heard anything alarming about the O-line injuries. They seem minor, and there are still a couple weeks before game 1 for those guys to get healthy.

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The Jags are still unsettled at LG (although they do have a great RG) so it's not necessarily a good thing that they picked up Wes Martin. I'd love to see Martin play the way I thought he could when we drafted him.

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It's hard to see Wes making the final 53. He's probably just here to get them through the preseason since he knows the system.

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We dont have any studs on our O line but we got a lot of starter capable guys.

Leno - Lucas - Charles
Norwell - Schweitzer - Charles
Roullier - Larsen - Schweitzer
Turner - Schweitzer - Charles
Cosmi - Lucas - Charles

Thats 8 right there to start season, 9 once Larsen comes off PUP. Love Lucas and Schweitzers swing abilities. Such good low key signings.

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[quote=SunnySide;1320198]We dont have any studs on our O line but we got a lot of starter capable guys.

Leno - Lucas - Charles
Norwell - Schweitzer - Charles
Roullier - Larsen - Schweitzer
Turner - Schweitzer - Charles
Cosmi - Lucas - Charles

Thats 8 right there to start season, 9 once Larsen comes off PUP. Love Lucas and Schweitzers swing abilities. Such good low key signings.[/quote]

To say that Charles is starter capable is a stretch. Unlike Schweitzer and Lucas he has not been available when needed so he remains unproven.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1320200]To say that Charles is starter capable is a stretch. Unlike Schweitzer and Lucas he has not been available when needed so he remains unproven.[/quote]

Charles is NOT a capable starter. id put him as 3rd on any depth chart. Spot duty on the inside, okay. Everyone else is capable. None are top tier or pro bowlers. Lots of capable depth.

Leno and Cosmi worry me on pass pro long developing plays though, which we should see a lot more of. Last year, easy to look good in pass pro at tackle with the ball coming out in 2 seconds.

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Ron Rivera Says Antonio Gibson Will Be Commanders' Top Kick Returner This Season

[url]https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10046630-ron-rivera-says-antonio-gibson-will-be-commanders-top-kick-returner-this-season.amp.html[/url]

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1320225]Ron Rivera Says Antonio Gibson Will Be Commanders' Top Kick Returner This Season

[url]https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10046630-ron-rivera-says-antonio-gibson-will-be-commanders-top-kick-returner-this-season.amp.html[/url][/quote]

RB1 typically isn’t your main kick returner.

It’s clear they are carving out a different role for him.

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[quote=MTK;1320226]RB1 typically isn’t your main kick returner.

It’s clear they are carving out a different role for him.[/quote]

I wonder how he feels about it -- i.e., whether he views it as a demotion. Playing time is earned, and he has to understand that the team needs to make use of him in ways that is less likely to lead to fumbles (getting him the ball in space and away from D-linemen who are the ones forcing fumbles). I just hope he has a good attitude about all this and wants to focus on whatever he can do to help the team. Based on what I have read about him, that's what I'd expect.

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So now when Gibson fumbles it’s in the opponents side of field..😳…I hope this ends well.

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Gibson averaged 28 yards per kickoff return, with 1 TD, in his Senior year - 23 returns total.

Only one kickoff returner, Braxton Berrios from the NYJ, had a better average last year in the NFL (with at least 23 returns).

Honestly, this could turn out great. Robinson will be the RB1, J Williams will be his primary backup, McKissic will be the 3rd down back, and Gibson is now our Deebo Samuel / kick returner.

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Gibson had one fumble in a pre season game. He went from being the starting RB to the KO returner? lol.

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I think the writing was on the wall when they drafted B Robinson. It was just a matter of time. That one fumble sealed the deal, but it was him leading all RBs in fumbles last year that 'got the ball rolling'.

The thing is, he can still be a fantastic player, he just has no business running between the tackles.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1320243]I think the writing was on the wall when they drafted B Robinson. It was just a matter of time. That one fumble sealed the deal, but it was him leading all RBs in fumbles last year that 'got the ball rolling'.

The thing is, he can still be a fantastic player, he just has no business running between the tackles.[/quote]

Agreed. Not only was the painting on the wall, but Rivera said it's not only about the fumbling, but also about the running style, said something like he wanted more north-south and less east-west.

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[quote=SunnySide;1320198]We dont have any studs on our O line but we got a lot of starter capable guys.

Leno - Lucas - Charles
Norwell - Schweitzer - Charles
Roullier - Larsen - Schweitzer
Turner - Schweitzer - Charles
Cosmi - Lucas - Charles

Thats 8 right there to start season, 9 once Larsen comes off PUP. Love Lucas and Schweitzers swing abilities. Such good low key signings.[/quote]

Don't be surprised if Schweitzer starts over Turner IMO.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1320246]Don't be surprised if Schweitzer starts over Turner IMO.[/quote]

Its a solid unit, and we have depth

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1320249]Its a solid unit, and we have depth[/QUOTE]It is. I think Sunny put it best: no pro bowlers, solid unit, good depth

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[quote=rocnrik;1320230]So now when Gibson fumbles it’s in the opponents side of field..😳…I hope this ends well.[/quote]

I don't see it ending well. EVERYONE knows he has a fumbling issue...so I don't care if it's between the tackles or out in the open, the first person that touches Gibson is banging on his arm/or ball trying to punch it out...and it's only going to take ONE fumble as a kick returner, and it's real hard to see that NOT happening....and he'll hardly ever see the field again. I hope the best for him, but the cards are stacked against him it seems.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1320243]I think the writing was on the wall when they drafted B Robinson. It was just a matter of time. That one fumble sealed the deal, but it was him leading all RBs in fumbles last year that 'got the ball rolling'.

[B]The thing is, he can still be a fantastic player, he just has no business running between the tackles[/B].[/quote]

I agree. Gibson has played and given this team a lot of value for a 3rd round pick. He was one of 7 running backs w over 1k yards and hes been available for us, missing very few games.

Hes not a 3 down back, he shouldnt be run between the tackles a lot and should be a big part of a running back by committee.

This team has overly leaned on him imo.

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Looking into if hes over used ..

Gibson was 4th in total carries at 258. Taylor had 332, Najee Harris has 307, Mixon had 292.

I thought Gibson would led that bunch in receptions by a good bit.

Najee Harris had 74 catches!?! leveon bell was right w how Tomlin wears and tears his RB out. Plus Big Ben couldnt throw more than 5 yards.

taylor had 40, Mixon had 42.

Gibson had 42.

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using him less might increase his production efficiency.

As a 3rd round back, hes a great pick for whats hes given us and has been forced into a bell cow.

Not anymore.

Now we have a stable w Robinson, Gibson, McKissic ... but Robinson has to show it, a few PS games and rave scout reviews arent prime time under the lights.

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Were kinda kicking Gibson unfairly and crowning the new guy too soon.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1320246]Don't be surprised if Schweitzer starts over Turner IMO.[/quote]

Im a big Schweitzer fan. I love versatile good under the radar guards. Randy Thomas was one of my favs.

Schweitzer gets at it and can play C in a pinch. if Roullier isnt ready or goes down mid game, I think Schweitzer goes in at C.

You need an IOL swing guy that can play like you need a swing T that can play.

Leno/Cosmi holding up on long passing plays worries me though.

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Most of Gibson's big plays in college came as a receiver. He can be spectacular in the open field. So, get him the ball in space where he can create big chunk plays and hit some home runs. He is a modern NFL type of player. Used properly he can be very productive and help us win more games.

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[quote=Redskins247;1320257]I don't see it ending well. EVERYONE knows he has a fumbling issue...so I don't care if it's between the tackles or out in the open, the first person that touches Gibson is banging on his arm/or ball trying to punch it out...and it's only going to take ONE fumble as a kick returner, and it's real hard to see that NOT happening....and he'll hardly ever see the field again. I hope the best for him, but the cards are stacked against him it seems.[/quote]

I think you're being overly pessimistic about AG. He is way too talented to be on the bench.

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[quote=SunnySide;1320259]Im a big Schweitzer fan. I love versatile good under the radar guards. Randy Thomas was one of my favs.

Schweitzer gets at it and can play C in a pinch. if Roullier isnt ready or goes down mid game, I think Schweitzer goes in at C.

You need an IOL swing guy that can play like you need a swing T that can play.

Leno/Cosmi holding up on long passing plays worries me though.[/quote]

I also love the spirited way that Schweitzer plays the game.

I have no concerns whatsoever about Charles Leno's pass blocking. I think he is one of the better pass blockers in the League. His PFF pass blocking grade for the 2021 season was 87.3 which is excellent.

Cosmi is clearly a better run blocker than he is a pass blocker but he is improving fast as a pass blocker. He's very young and there could be a Pro Bowl in his future. So, I'm not very worried about him either.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1320262]I also love the spirited way that Schweitzer plays the game.

I have no concerns whatsoever about Charles Leno's pass blocking. I think he is one of the better pass blockers in the League. [B]His PFF pass blocking grade for the 2021 season was 87.3 which is excellent.[/B]

Cosmi is clearly a better run blocker than he is a pass blocker but he is improving fast as a pass blocker. He's very young and there could be a Pro Bowl in his future. So, I'm not very worried about him either.[/quote]

A PFF guy (or some stat geek) said we were bottom 10 on longer developing pass plays.

I cant find anything on the internet re OL rankings for long pass plays.

Leno worries me. Cosmi worries me. Especially if left 1 on 1 vs a speed/outside move guy, or responsible for picking up an outside rushing LB/edge.

We'll see.

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[quote=SunnySide;1320268]A PFF guy (or some stat geek) said we were bottom 10 on longer developing pass plays.

I cant find anything on the internet re OL rankings for long pass plays.

Leno worries me. Cosmi worries me. Especially if left 1 on 1 vs a speed/outside move guy, or responsible for picking up an outside rushing LB/edge.

We'll see.[/quote]

Well, it's a team game. RB's and TE's can help in protection, too.

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This is likely nothing but I'm curious to see if anyone knows how Steven Parker has been doing in the preseason games/training camp? I didn't watch the games but I watched the highlights on youtube and he showed up a few times during the Panthers game a few times so I'm curious about him.

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I’m such a sick person…I had a dream I was watching a game and Gibson fumbled at the goal line

Dreaming about Skins L already

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[quote=GridIron26;1320280]This is likely nothing but I'm curious to see if anyone knows how Steven Parker has been doing in the preseason games/training camp? I didn't watch the games but I watched the highlights on youtube and he showed up a few times during the Panthers game a few times so I'm curious about him.[/quote]He has impressed when I've seen him. He has good range and seems aggressive. He was a stud here at OU.