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I think the next move at QB needs to come via the draft. I'd would grab someone in the mid rounds. Max Duggan would be a perfect pick.

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[quote=punch it in;1339568][url]https://twitter.com/diannaESPN/status/1636095193429553152[/url]

Brissett it is.[/quote]

Hell yeah, add a mid-round pick at QB and let's roll!!

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Brissett Browns highlights. Will not be surprised at all if he ends up starting Week 1. He finished 8th in QBR last year.

This is a MASSIVE update to our roster.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a77SGv0OSs8[/url]

[YT]a77SGv0OSs8[/YT]

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[quote=Ruhskins;1339574]Additional details on the deal. Brissett is a massive upgrade over TH:

@JFowlerESPN
The Washington #Commanders are signing QB Jacoby Brissett to a one-year deal worth up to $10 million and $8 million guaranteed, per source. Washington gets a starting option for a quarterback who played well for Cleveland last year.[/quote]

This is good. Like you said an upgrade at QB for same price as TH is getting

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[quote=Ruhskins;1339574]Additional details on the deal. [B]Brissett is a massive upgrade over TH:[/B]

@JFowlerESPN
The Washington #Commanders are signing QB Jacoby Brissett to a one-year deal worth up to $10 million and $8 million guaranteed, per source. Washington gets a starting option for a quarterback who played well for Cleveland last year.[/quote]

Yeah, like Wentz was a massive upgrade last year. :doh:

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1339587]Hell yeah, add a mid-round pick at QB and let's roll!![/quote]

Question can you explain why you think this is an upgrade?

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1339589]This is good. Like you said an upgrade at QB for same price as TH is getting[/quote]

How is this an upgrade? Heinicke had slightly better stats over the last two years, played a harder schedule and had a lot more success in the win/loss column. Additionally, they cost about the same when it comes to a contract. I just don't get the idea that Brisset is an upgrade. At best I see it as a wash (Heinicke's stats were only very slightly better) and that is at best, it's more likely a down grade.

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I watched brisket all year. My best friend is a die hard browns fan. Not impressed one bit and he is currently dogging the move and I agree. We joke around about the browns and skins being "mirrors" and a hell of a lot of times that ahit rings true. On a play to play basis on Sundays or just in general. It's fuckin eerie how accurate it can be.

Brisket would have lost to TH on new years day I'd bet serious money on that. He may have a few better traits like arm strength or whatever else... but the guy wasn't a winner, displayed poor decision making A SHIT TON and doesn't have "it". IMO the guys a bum and if he's our starter? Good luck. Ron and Co. Are inept enough to consider this guy an option but I wouldn't think EB (if he had any say in it) would be.

Not a lot to choose from, sure, but an upgrade and potential starter? Please save it. I watched this bum week in and week out. Nothing to see here at all. For the love of God Howell, please show up.

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Brissett is a good backup but he isn’t the future.
Howell or a Rookie needs to start. Even if they shit the bed they get valuable playing time and we have better draft position next year.

Brissett starting is the worst case scenario here.
8-9 wins seasons are the enemy at this point.

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[quote=Meks;1339594]I watched brisket all year. My best friend is a die hard browns fan. Not impressed one bit and he is currently dogging the move and I agree. We joke around about the browns and skins being "mirrors" and a hell of a lot of times that ahit rings true. On a play to play basis on Sundays or just in general. It's fuckin eerie how accurate it can be.

Brisket would have lost to TH on new years day I'd bet serious money on that. He may have a few better traits like arm strength or whatever else... but the guy wasn't a winner, displayed poor decision making A SHIT TON and doesn't have "it". IMO the guys a bum and if he's our starter? Good luck. Ron and Co. Are inept enough to consider this guy an option but I wouldn't think EB (if he had any say in it) would be.

Not a lot to choose from, sure, but an upgrade and potential starter? Please save it. I watched this bum week in and week out. Nothing to see here at all. For the love of God Howell, please show up.[/quote]


Well If the plan was to go with Howell, when Heinicke was still in the fold, I can't see Brisset changing that plan given that Brisset hasn't been better than Heinicke.

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[quote=nonniey;1339593]How is this an upgrade? Heinicke had slightly better stats over the last two years, played a harder schedule and had a lot more success in the win/loss column. Additionally, they cost about the same when it comes to a contract. I just don't get the idea that Brisset is an upgrade. At best I see it as a wash (Heinicke's stats were only very slightly better) and that is at best, it's more likely a down grade.[/quote]

Their td and int were the same. To me it is about QBR Jacoby was a solid 60 which was 8th best in league. Taylor was a woeful 44.8. I am not saying this is a send us to playoffs move but the cost versus production is worth it.

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Heinicke had a 44.4 QBR last year. Brissett was miles ahead of him at 60.00.

Brissett was 8th overall, Heinicke would have been 25th if included in this list.

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr[/url]

Overall rating, Heinicke was slightly ahead at 89.6 versus 88.9.

Not to mention, Brissett has a way better arm.

I'd take Brissett over Heinicke every day, and twice on Monday's, Thursday's, and Sunday's.

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Justify with all the stats you want. Ask browns fans how they feel. Good effort, just not a good quarterback, not a playmaker, couldn't really win games

Guy was 4-7 before he got hurt. It's a team game, sure, and the browns had enough talent to be just that.

Hope he proves to be a good backup and nothing more.....

Cuz if he is starting we're screwed

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1339598]Their td and int were the same. To me it is about QBR Jacoby was a solid 60 which was 8th best in league. Taylor was a woeful 44.8. I am not saying this is a send us to playoffs move but the cost versus production is worth it.[/quote]

Heinicke has a higher passer RTG (So everyone but ESPN would rank him higher). QBR is strictly an ESPN formula that some have criticized. Weird thing you'd think is QBR would be reflected directly with won/loss record as it is tied to points, importance of plays etc. Yet Heinicke had a much higher win/loss rate. Given that one would think Brisset would have a lower QBR.

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[quote=nonniey;1339593]How is this an upgrade? Heinicke had slightly better stats over the last two years, played a harder schedule and had a lot more success in the win/loss column. Additionally, they cost about the same when it comes to a contract. I just don't get the idea that Brisset is an upgrade. At best I see it as a wash (Heinicke's stats were only very slightly better) and that is at best, it's more likely a down grade.[/quote]

I think by the eye test he is a better QB. But to say he is a massive upgrade? No way. Not buying that.

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[url]https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/qb/2022?check_logged_in=1[/url]

brisset is way ahead in kinds of categories. 8-13 vs ~23-25

we have good receivers, so getting a guy with touch that actually gets DPIs called is probably a big upgrade.

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[QUOTE=nonniey;1339591]Question can you explain why you think this is an upgrade?[/QUOTE]


His arm is made of flesh and bone and not pasta?

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1339573]John Keim on Twitter

As expected OL Tyler Larsen has agreed to a deal with Washington, per source[/quote]

Very solid move too. He out played expectations when he got to see the field, position flex, very good back up.

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1339608]Very solid move too. He out played expectations when he got to see the field, position flex, very good back up.[/QUOTE]


Agreed. Hopefully he stays healthy.

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Love the Brissett signing. Not only a very good back up. But also legit competition in camp for Howell. Yes if Howell is anything we hope he is he should win the job, but if he doesn't it wouldn't be a massive shocker to see Brissett start. Wouldn't be a good news cuz we would still be looking for our QB, but wouldn't shock me.

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We currently have Howell, Fromm on roster … we can’t go into season with that now can we?? So I don’t see any issue at all with Brissett signing … nobody is saying he is the franchise guy …. hopefully Howell is the starter but if he can’t beat out Brissett then we will still be searching ..

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Seriously not sure why people are upset about Brissett being our backup? What was everyone expecting? Brady?

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[quote=punch it in;1339612]Seriously not sure why people are upset about Brissett being our backup? What was everyone expecting? Brady?[/quote]

It's not the back up thing, it's the hey he could be our starter! ... thing.

No, he's not a starter unless he makes a giant leap this off-season lol. No issue with him being a backup, issue with him even sniffing the qb1 role after watching every game he played last year

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[QUOTE=Meks;1339614]It's not the back up thing, it's the hey he could be our starter! ... thing.

No, he's not a starter unless he makes a giant leap this off-season lol. No issue with him being a backup, issue with him even sniffing the qb1 role after watching every game he played last year[/QUOTE]


Yesterday Sam was QB-1. Today Sam is QB-1. Is Brissett better than Jake Fromm? A backup is always an injury away and until today that guy was Taylor Heinicke or Jake Fromm? Lol. It is a solid depth move at quarterback. If he becomes the starter it’s because he understands EB’s system and earns it. Like Rocnrik said if Brissett wins the job or inherits it than Sam isn’t the guy either and we draft someone next year when the class is arguably better.

I just don’t understand what the problem is with Brissett. Who did everyone want here this morning???

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I think I'm even more worried about the coaching staffs massive blunders and somehow brissett starts. Like Wentz. And we lose games fast. Then he starts again later in the year for a shortsighted (my opinion) reason and we lose an important game, fast.

Brisset is not a starting option I have no problem him being here but not to be looked at as a potential starter, call the season at that point like the browns season last year. I saw it, every game 🤷 I can't give you stats on why but unless he drastically improves, or fits here, we don't win games,see ya next season.

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Hell, howell could blow it, but at least he got his shot. Rather go down swinging with him than watch brisset this year. Maybe he proves me wrong and the ones not in this line of thinking please feel free to line up with all the I told ya so's in the book. That's totally fine.

The guy just doesn't have what it takes to win games. I can't sit here with watching him all of last year and say much of anything positive besides hey his arm is stronger than TH.

The list ends there.

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I have zero problem with the Brissett signing. I am not sure who everyone (who is complaining) thought we were going to get. He was definitely the best backup / 'bring in a veteran for competition' type quarterback who wasn't going to cost the farm.

This is good, and EB is making this decision, not RR. Which means he likely fits the offense EB plans to run here.

Nothing wrong with competition. If Howell can't win the job, he was never the guy anyway. I'd rather find that out before the games count, and have a capable guy like Brissett on the roster to put out there if that's the case.

If Howell wins the competition, hopefully we're on to something.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1339620]I have zero problem with the Brissett signing. I am not sure who everyone (who is complaining) thought we were going to get. He was definitely the best backup / 'bring in a veteran for competition' type quarterback who wasn't going to cost the farm.

This is good, [b] and EB is making this decision, not RR. [/b]Which means he likely fits the offense EB plans to run here.

Nothing wrong with competition. If Howell can't win the job, he was never the guy anyway. I'd rather find that out before the games count, and have a capable guy like Brissett on the roster to put out there if that's the case.

If Howell wins the competition, hopefully we're on to something.[/quote]

We sure about that? I mean that's logical but I don't put anything past this organization and staff.

I don't know that I have any faith in whom they think wins competitions either. Man, severely scarred I guess 🤷

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[quote=rocnrik;1339611]We currently have Howell, Fromm on roster … we can’t go into season with that now can we?? So I don’t see any issue at all with Brissett signing … nobody is saying he is the franchise guy …. hopefully Howell is the starter but if he can’t beat out Brissett then we will still be searching ..[/quote]

I don't see an issue with it either (we needed someone) I just question the pollyannish take that he is a major upgrade over Heinicke.

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[quote=Meks;1339622]We sure about that? I mean that's logical but I don't put anything past this organization and staff.

I don't know that I have any faith in whom they think wins competitions either. Man, severely scarred I guess 🤷[/quote]

Well one thing to point (if reports are accurate) out is that apparently Heinicke was the 1st choice but he signed elsewhere.

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We had one QB on the roster they signed Jacoby for back up money this isn't CW where we gave up picks and paid him starter money.

No one on the Commanders is saying we found QB1, still need to get a 3rd guy and have them compete.

I much rather have Brisset then Lamar here tying up millions for years and he is not even a guy the new owners want.

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JB is a good pick up for you guys.

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Dead Money
Name Cap Number
William Jackson III $9,000,000
Landon Collins $5,025,000
Bobby McCain $2,800,000
J.D. McKissic $2,000,000
TOTAL $18,988,157

That’s a lot of wasted cap this year.

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[QUOTE=nonniey;1339624]I don't see an issue with it either (we needed someone) I just question the pollyannish take that he is a major upgrade over Heinicke.[/QUOTE]


Heinicke has an extremely limited ceiling, mainly because he cannot throw the ball down the field. We have some burners at wr and he could not air the ball out. That is a huge problem. This isn’t Turners offense it is EB’s and you absolutely need to be able to throw the ball down the field. He will be our backup and hopefully he doesn’t see the field, but if he does he simply brings more to the table than Heinicke.

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If you read Keims tweet where he said they were trying to resign Taylor he also said they believed Brissett would get better options/more money elsewhere. So sounds like they just didn’t think he might be an option- in other words they got who they wanted at backup and it wasn’t necessarily Taylor is how I read it.

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Hopefully SH runs away with the job, but I feel pretty good about JB stepping in if needed. He’s solid and has a legit NFL arm.

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[quote=nonniey;1339602]Heinicke has a higher passer RTG (So everyone but ESPN would rank him higher). QBR is strictly an ESPN formula that some have criticized. Weird thing you'd think is QBR would be reflected directly with won/loss record as it is tied to points, importance of plays etc. Yet Heinicke had a much higher win/loss rate. Given that one would think Brisset would have a lower QBR.[/quote]

Passer rating doesn't take into account the impact the WR has on a play while QBR focuses exclusively on the QBs impact on any given play. Regardless if you think they are relatively comparable or even if TH is slightly better is he worth 20 mil for 2 yrs? I'd prefer the 8 mil for one player. Let's hope he is there to provide insight and a guiding veteran force to Sam and nothing more. He has experience that TH cannot provide Sam and I think that plus cost is the most important factor.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1339633]Hopefully SH runs away with the job, but I feel pretty good about JB stepping in if needed. He’s solid and has a legit NFL arm.[/QUOTE]


Exactly. Priority number one for any quarterback…. Can throw the ball (consistently) over 20 yards without it looking like he threw a balloon. Yes he is a scrapper, yes he has heart, yes he has guts, yes it’s a good story. But my God he is the definition of a noodle arm.

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[quote=Chico23231;1339628]Dead Money
Name Cap Number
William Jackson III $9,000,000
Landon Collins $5,025,000
Bobby McCain $2,800,000
J.D. McKissic $2,000,000
TOTAL $18,988,157

That’s a lot of wasted cap this year.[/quote]

Wow...that's a nice chunk they're still paying for Collins! Still getting screwed by Bruce.

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[quote=Redskins247;1339639]Wow...that's a nice chunk they're still paying for Collins! Still getting screwed by Bruce.[/quote]

Dave Gettelmen did the same thing to the Giants.