Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1132994]I hate to harken back to RGIII glory days, but I am going to. (sidenote: ugh, close the thread to keep nimwits like me from posting!!!)



I remember being at training camp and watching RGIII and Cousins side by side dropping back, turning and releasing on the throws. RGIII was just a much more smooth performer. That's what I think of when I see JR talking about ceiling vs floor. Cousins is never going to be that fluid all in one package with great arm strength smooth release and an ability to make "magic" happen. What he is, is a QB that can be a consistent starter with enough mojo to win the games his team should win. Right now that's where I see his ceiling.



As for his floor, it continues to rise. and that's a good thing.[/QUOTE]


Too bad griff couldn't translate onto the field after teams took away his ability to run in the somewhat gimmicky offense. I would imagine in practice or training camp even now griff might appear to be the smoother faster strong armed qb but certainly not in game. As for floor / ceiling stuff of course KC is not going to ever be Cam Newton running and throwing with ferocity but who cares he is a better qb than griff will ever be. He continues to learn and mature. He continues to gain better pocket awareness. He continues to see the field better and with 2 minutes left in a close game i dont want anyone else under center.

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[QUOTE=Brody81;1133001]Watch Joe Montana run the west coast offense.. Strong arm is overrated.[/QUOTE]


Not to mention Montana was surrounded by hof talent on both sides of the ball. Amazing what personnel in a TEAM sport will do. If Joe Montana was getting his first crack at starting with last years or this years Skins team we would have a "who is Joe Montana" thread.

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[QUOTE=NYCskinfan82;1133007]I just cant believe the double standard. I believe JC was a check down QB and people screamed at him yet KC is doing the same thing and most people are praising him. He reminds me of Chad Pennington smart QB arm not strong enough and looks like an NFL QB. I hope we don't make the same mistake Miami made with Tannenhill and sign KC to a stupid contract extension. Everyone is entitled to there opinion and our best QB doesn't dress on Sunday. Please come up with something better than is that Griffin must be Griffin typing that. Sheep.[/QUOTE]


Dude you gotta stop. You reaalllly have to stop. When Griff gets let go after the season and some team takes a waiver on him - and he doesnt start there either what will you say? Do you honestly think Robert Griffin will be a starting qb in this league ever again?
JC sucked. JC got nervous in big situations. Deer in the headlights. Cousins thrives in those situations. See the Eagles game, the Bucs game, the Giants game. JC did not run a wco. He checked down out of pure panic. Cousins runs a wco. It is how it is designed to run.

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Who is KC? He is the next 16 million dollar man.

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Punch it in..I am with you Brother!! some fans just can't see the forest for the trees. but they soon will.

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1133016]Punch it in..I am with you Brother!! some fans just can't see the forest for the trees. but they soon will.[/QUOTE]


Yes they will!

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[quote=punch it in;1133010]Not to mention Montana was surrounded by hof talent on both sides of the ball. [B]Amazing what personnel in a TEAM sport will do[/B]. If Joe Montana was getting his first crack at starting with last years or this years Skins team we would have a "who is Joe Montana" thread.[/quote]

SM will benefit KC in the off season in the same way. It will be fun to see the change.......

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forest or trees...I just see reality. Right now, we have zero options other than Cousins and he has played well enough to be retained to an average NFL starters contract.

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[QUOTE=NYCskinfan82;1133007]I just cant believe the double standard. I believe JC was a check down QB and people screamed at him yet KC is doing the same thing and most people are praising him. He reminds me of Chad Pennington smart QB arm not strong enough and looks like an NFL QB. I hope we don't make the same mistake Miami made with Tannenhill and sign KC to a stupid contract extension. Everyone is entitled to there opinion and our best QB doesn't dress on Sunday. Please come up with something better than is that Griffin must be Griffin typing that. Sheep.[/QUOTE]Oh to be sure there are tons of double standards/double think when it comes to Jay's "development" of the QBs here. Especially in this forum where many of the most vociferous Cult of Kirk proponents spout. There is an understandable lack of objectivity because fans generally want the coach, team and FO to be right when they make decisions. Therefore there is an intrinsic urge to believe in what the franchise is doing. We want Kirk to be the guy because he's the guy the HC chose. And because we want him to be the guy some overlook flaws or anoint him as a higher tier QB then he's proven.

The Griffin situation here, to me, is an example of manufactured disapproval. It reminds me of Al Davis-Marcus Allen, except with modern viral back channel sports media sources/leaks.
But its all moot though, regardless of Griffin's superior talent/potential and production right/wrong/indifferent the HC here chose Kirk.

Back to Kirk. He does have arm talent/overall physical talent limitations compared top guys. But, he can be a productive QB in this offense. For me he's just shy of the Fitz right now and has the potential to be a Schaub (in Houston). And I think Scott will be more prudent then to give Kirk a Tannehill type deal.

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[quote=Chico23231;1133026]forest or trees...I just see reality. Right now, we have zero options other than Cousins and he has played well enough to be retained to an average NFL starters contract.[/quote]Stop hating!

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[QUOTE=30gut;1133028]Oh to be sure there are tons of double standards/double think when it comes to Jay's "development" of the QBs here. Especially in this forum where many of the most vociferous Cult of Kirk proponents spout. There is an understandable lack of objectivity because fans generally want the coach, team and FO to be right when they make decisions. Therefore there is an intrinsic urge to believe in what the franchise is doing. We want Kirk to be the guy because he's the guy the HC chose. And because we want him to be the guy some overlook flaws or anoint him as a higher tier QB then he's proven.



The Griffin situation here, to me, is an example of manufactured disapproval. It reminds me of Al Davis-Marcus Allen, except with modern viral back channel sports media sources/leaks.

But its all moot though, regardless of Griffin's superior talent/potential and production right/wrong/indifferent the HC here chose Kirk.



Back to Kirk. He does have arm talent/overall physical talent limitations compared top guys. But, he can be a productive QB in this offense. For me he's just shy of the Fitz right now and has the potential to be a Schaub (in Houston). And I think Scott will be more prudent then to give Kirk a Tannehill type deal.[/QUOTE]


Wow. So Griff, alot like HOF'er Marcus Allen, was railroaded and it has nothing to do with the absolute horrid play we have seen in both pre and regular seasons dating back to 2013? KC has not flat out earned the job? Ok. Also if Fitz was on this team you would bench Kirk in his favor? If you think Fitz is better rite now I can only imagine that would be the next logical step? SMFH.

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[quote=punch it in;1133036]Wow. So Griff, alot like HOF'er Marcus Allen, was railroaded and it has nothing to do with the absolute horrid play we have seen in both pre and regular seasons dating back to 2013? KC has not flat out earned the job? Ok. Also if Fitz was on this team you would bench Kirk in his favor? If you think Fitz is better rite now I can only imagine that would be the next logical step? SMFH.[/quote]Lol, yeah because that what I wrote right?

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Arm strength to me is the most overrated thing about being a great QB. Newton is now in his 5th year as a starter, and is finally starting to learn how to be a passer. Not a thrower but a passer.

There are so many guys in the HOF and guys that are going to the HOF that don't have arms like Cam Newton. I want a passer first, not a thrower. I think KC is a passer first and not a thrower. He just needs to keep playing and getting more experience, and stay in the same offense.

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[quote=30gut;1133028]Oh to be sure there are tons of double standards/double think when it comes to Jay's "development" of the QBs here. Especially in this forum where many of the most vociferous Cult of Kirk proponents spout. There is an understandable lack of objectivity because fans generally want the coach, team and FO to be right when they make decisions. Therefore there is an intrinsic urge to believe in what the franchise is doing. We want Kirk to be the guy because he's the guy the HC chose. And because we want him to be the guy some overlook flaws or anoint him as a higher tier QB then he's proven.

[B]The Griffin situation here, to me, is an example of manufactured disapproval. It reminds me of Al Davis-Marcus Allen, except with modern viral back channel sports media sources/leaks.
But its all moot though, regardless of Griffin's superior talent/potential and production right/wrong/indifferent the HC here chose Kirk.
[/B]
Back to Kirk. He does have arm talent/overall physical talent limitations compared top guys. But, he can be a productive QB in this offense. For me he's just shy of the Fitz right now and has the potential to be a Schaub (in Houston). And I think Scott will be more prudent then to give Kirk a Tannehill type deal.[/quote]

Are you seriously, with a straight face going to compare the two situations? Allen was benched cause it was personal w/ Al Davis. Griffin was benched for performance.

Allen was one of the most respected and well liked guys on the team. Not to mention he was a truly GREAT player. Just not the case with Griffin.

Also. you keep mentioning Griffin's superior skill set. And he is probably better than KC in a combine setting. But when it actually comes down to dropping back with an actual pass rush, that's where KC is and has always been better.

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Rg3 will get his chance next yr, imo he's never going to be a good passing QB, he just doesn't have that gift.