Re: Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?
 

Yeah maybe it's politics. Zorn seems to have very little patience for rookies. On the other hand he has plenty of patience for our crappy oline play.

Re: Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?
 

I think we need to give the rookies a chance. He and Kelly & Thomas haven't done much so far. However, if by next season they aren't producing - then we can start giving them the bust label.

Certainly Vinny and Zorn have got to think about picking some OL and DL players early in the next draft. Without good line play you can't reach the next level in the NFL.

One thing is certain: rookies who come to the Redskins will know that they better be in shape and mentally ready for this team. Zorn is going to give them no free passes and newbies will know that coming here.

Re: Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?
 

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What ever happened to Fred Davis?
By Jason Reid

Through nine games, second-year tight end Fred Davis has only nine receptions for 133 yards, with no touchdowns.

During the offseason, Redskins coaches said the team planned to use more two-tight end sets, so Davis and tight end Chris Cooley were both expected to have big seasons. Cooley quickly emerged as one of quarterback Donovan McNabb's favorite targets and is among the league leaders at his position, with 39 receptions for 440 yards and two touchdowns.

What's happened to Davis?

"I guess that's a good question," Davis said. "I mean, that's hard, I don't really know the answer to that question, because I don't really question anything that they [the coaches] do. I just roll with it and try to stay positive. It's a business. I don't understand what it is. ... I guess they want to see other looks or do other things.

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/fred-davis/what-ever-happened-to-fred-dav.html]click for rest of article[/url]

By Jason Reid | November 10, 2010; 1:45 PM ET

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Again, a wasted 2nd round pick. Just like we all said 2 years ago -- we did NOT need another pass-catching TE when we had a ProBowl Chris Cooley. If anything, we needed a blocking TE, but not one in the 2nd round.

Hindsight is always 20/20 - but how awesome would it have been to draft ONE WR that year, and then two offensive linemen (-- not named Rhinehart)...

Re: Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?
 

Like I've said hundreds of times, 2 TE's cant work in the NFL.

Dallas: Bennett has a huge upside but cant get on the field..
INDY: Now that Clark is out, Tamme has played great including 11 Catches Sunday
Same goes for us, CC is the man and FD just can't get on the field..

If Cooley wasn't on the team, Davis would be shining right now.

Re: Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;757565]Like I've said hundreds of times, 2 TE's cant work in the NFL.

Dallas: Bennett has a huge upside but cant get on the field..
INDY: Now that Clark is out, Tamme has played great including 11 Catches Sunday
Same goes for us, CC is the man and FD just can't get on the field..

If Cooley wasn't on the team, Davis would be shining right now.[/quote]I almost forgot creating this thread two years ago, but it's still very relevant. A backup TE was not a luxury we could afford with more pressing needs, especially O-line depth, or lack thereof, that still plagues us to this day. I'm not saying that Davis can't be a productive player, we saw what he can do when Cooley was injured, but as long as CC is healthy and producing, Fred Davis is about as useful to this roster as a backup punter.

Re: Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?
 

^ exactly, we should have traded Fred in the offseason. I say he's gone after this yr, one of them will he for sure IMO

Re: Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;757565]Like I've said hundreds of times, 2 TE's cant work in the NFL.[/quote]
Just because we don't/aren't using Davis doesn't mean it can't be done.
The Packers, Patriots, Texans and Saints all make good use of double and multiple TEs.

Re: Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?
 

^ I didn't say it can't be done but you won't ever see 2 TEs become big parts of the offense at the same time..

And GB hardely used anyone before Finley got hurt, and as far as Saints go their TEs aren't anything special.. Shockey is done

Re: Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;757578]^I didn't say it can't be done[/quote]

Um that's exactly what you said:[quote=skinsfaninok;757565]Like I've said hundreds of times, [B][I][U][COLOR="DarkRed"]2 TE's cant work in the NFL[/COLOR][/U][/I][/B].[/quote]

Don't be a hypocrite you said, stick with it.

[quote=skinsfaninok;757578]but [B][I][U][COLOR="Red"]you won't ever see 2 TEs become big parts of the offense at the same time[/COLOR][/U][/I][/B]..[/quote]
Wrong again my friend I listed 4 teams that use 2 TEs as a big part of their passing offense.(Packers, Patriots, Texans and Saints)
And there are plenty more teams that use 2 TEs a part of their base offense run sets/formations.

[quote]And GB hardely used anyone before Finley got hurt,[/quote]
I watch a lot of football, probably too much.
And i can tell you you're dead wrong.
The Packers have been using 2 TEs since last year.
Finley 55 catches
Lee 37
This year is different due to injury to 3 TEs but the numbers are:
Finley 21 catches
Lee, Quarless, Crabtree 17 catches.

[quote] and as far as Saints go their TEs aren't anything special.. Shockey is done[/quote]
Huh?
Wow that's a great argument: because you don't like their TEs that means their TEs aren't producing?
Well the numbers prove you wrong once again:
Shockey 31 catches
Dave Thomas 27
J Graham 8 catches

I could keep going with the Pats and Texans but i think i've made my point.
Just because we aren't making good use of Fred Davis doesn't mean it can't be done.
HTTR!

Re: Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?
 

I just don't understand why Davis isn't on the field a lot more. Especially in the red zone. Makes no snese.

Re: Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;757593]I just don't understand why Davis isn't on the field a lot more. Especially in the red zone. Makes no snese.[/quote]

I'm with you on that brotha, for a team that's as limited as WR as we are it makes no sense to have a starting caliber TE and only have targeted him 13 times that Sellers, Torrain and Keiland Williams have more 23, 17, 15 targets respectively. There's no way way a Fred Davis should have less targets then those guys.
Fred Davis is being criminally underused by Kyle.

Re: Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?
 

[quote=30gut;757594]I'm with you on that brotha, for a team that's as limited as WR as we are it makes no sense to have a starting caliber TE and only have targeted him 13 times that Sellers, Torrain and Keiland Williams have more 23, 17, 15 targets respectively. There's no way way a Fred Davis should have less targets then those guys.
Fred Davis is being criminally underused by Kyle.[/quote]

This. I don't want to hear about drops, either- all of our receivers are guilty of this. I read somewhere that he's had trouble picking up the new offense, but even so there's got to be some simple routes that put the ball in his hands. I remember last season people were absolutely gushing when he took over for Cooley- comparisons to Gates, etc. The talent is there; utilize it.

Re: Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?
 

It's always better to have too much of a good thing than too little...at least in terms of NFL depth.

Re: Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?
 

[quote=ethat001;757563]Again, a wasted 2nd round pick. Just like we all said 2 years ago -- we did NOT need another pass-catching TE when we had a ProBowl Chris Cooley. If anything, we needed a blocking TE, but not one in the 2nd round.

Hindsight is always 20/20 - but how awesome would it have been to draft ONE WR that year, and then two offensive linemen (-- not named Rhinehart)...[/quote]
And the probabilty of success that these other "phantom o-linemen" was 100%. NOT. The only dude who even is sniffing a starting job and was[B] not[/B] a FIRST ROUNDER in that draft was LICHTENSTEIGER. That draft had a horrible oline class beyond the first round.


No Olinemen were drafted in the 2nd round except for Chico Rachal.

Re: Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;757599]It's always better to have too much of a good thing than too little...at least in terms of NFL depth.[/quote]

Especially at TE while ignoring OL and WR in the draft for 10 years, even when they are a position of greater need.