Re: RUMOR: Skins Want To Deal Devin Thomas
 

PHazard where did you hear it that DT only attended 55-60% of offseason workouts? I was under the impression everybody but Haynesworth showed up and put the work in, including DT. I didn't hear a single thing all offseason about DT only putting in the minimum hours and not taking it seriously.

I'd love to see DT on the field in all honesty, but if the coaching staff wants to trade him, well then it's their choice. I don't feel like he's been given a chance to succeed here, but there's more to that than meets the eye. Maybe the coaching staff doesn't like him, maybe he doesn't impress in practice, for whatever reason he's not even playing on offense whatsoever. I doubt we'd get anything for him but it's not in my hands.

Re: RUMOR: Skins Want To Deal Devin Thomas
 

[quote=mooby;743353]PHazard where did you hear it that DT only attended 55-60% of offseason workouts? I was under the impression everybody but Haynesworth showed up and put the work in, including DT. I didn't hear a single thing all offseason about DT only putting in the minimum hours and not taking it seriously.

I'd love to see DT on the field in all honesty, but if the coaching staff wants to trade him, well then it's their choice. I don't feel like he's been given a chance to succeed here, but there's more to that than meets the eye. Maybe the coaching staff doesn't like him, maybe he doesn't impress in practice, for whatever reason he's not even playing on offense whatsoever. I doubt we'd get anything for him but it's not in my hands.[/quote]

I don't think the staff has anything against him. I think it is a matter that the FO is after a trade to acquire more picks and unless they can get a taker for AH, DT is the only one that is "shopable" for a trade.

Re: RUMOR: Skins Want To Deal Devin Thomas
 

Let's trade him for Peyton Hillis.

Re: RUMOR: Skins Want To Deal Devin Thomas
 

[quote=mooby;743353]PHazard where did you hear it that DT only attended 55-60% of offseason workouts? I was under the impression everybody but Haynesworth showed up and put the work in, including DT. I didn't hear a single thing all offseason about DT only putting in the minimum hours and not taking it seriously.

I'd love to see DT on the field in all honesty, but if the coaching staff wants to trade him, well then it's their choice. I don't feel like he's been given a chance to succeed here, but there's more to that than meets the eye. Maybe the coaching staff doesn't like him, maybe he doesn't impress in practice, for whatever reason he's not even playing on offense whatsoever. I doubt we'd get anything for him but it's not in my hands.[/quote]

Yeah, I don't think the staff really has anything against DT either, but to be fair I do remember hearing that 55-60% figure as it relates to DT.

Re: RUMOR: Skins Want To Deal Devin Thomas
 

So of 10 draft choices from the 2008 draft, only one player (Kareem Moore) has managed to establish himself as a starter by season 3. Thanks Vinny.

Re: RUMOR: Skins Want To Deal Devin Thomas
 

just very frustrating to see a high wasted pick, probably 2 of the 3 second round picks are done here in DC, being kelly and thomas. damn frustrating, but if hes not going to get on the field under this regime let him make another team i suppose. get what you can.

Re: RUMOR: Skins Want To Deal Devin Thomas
 

[quote=CrustyRedskin;743258]Whatever!!! ROTFLMAO!!! It's gotta be 4:20 at your place!!!! THere is no way in helly he catches that pass or the one AA caught out of bounds!! JMHO and yours.
Dont keep a draft pick just cause he's a first rounder....he's way over due.:oink:[/quote]

So your telling me he doesn't catch a wide open pass that hits him in stride?? He's not Carlos, I also wanna see him on the field before we trade him.

Re: RUMOR: Skins Want To Deal Devin Thomas
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;743335]Clearly Galloway and Williams were brought in to motivate Kelly and more specifically Thomas, and to show how professionals go about their work. I assume that Shanahan considers the experiment unwinnable at this point and so they are looking for other options. What a shame, I really expected DT to step up to the plate.[/quote]

^^ This.

Everyone complaining that DT needed a chance on the field - he had a chance everyday in practice but clearly wasn't showing enough, either in his route running or his practice habits to let his QB's trust him in a game. Someone pointed to his game in New Orleans. Okay - where is the week in, week out performance to back that up? He's been on the field. He's had opportunities. Like Lloyd, Jacobs, Gardner, Westbrook and others before him - he just don't got it. -- Like them, he looks good on paper, can have a good game when all the stars align, but is not someone who [I]makes[/I] coaches play him.

If we get a 6th rounder for him, I would be amazed.

Re: RUMOR: Skins Want To Deal Devin Thomas
 

My god, when was the last time we drafted a successful wide receiver?

Re: RUMOR: Skins Want To Deal Devin Thomas
 

[quote=Beemnseven;743400]My god, when was the last time we drafted a successful wide receiver?[/quote]

Well, they took Gary Clark in the Supplemental Draft, but Art Monk is probably the last one in 1980.

That is, unless 2 season leading the team in receiving is a success, then you have Westbrook and Gardner. Each of whom lead the team in receiving yards twice. Their totals?

Westbrook: 736 and 1191 in 1998 and 1999
Gardner: 741 and 1006 in 2001 and 2002

WRs drafted since Art Monk in ascending order:
1981: Charlie Brown (Rd 8) and Jerry Hill (Rd 11)
1982: Carl Powell (Rd 3)
1984: Mark Smith (Rd 7) and Curtland Thomas (Rd 12)
1986: Walter Murray (Rd 2) and Eric Yarber (Rd 12)
1987: Ted Wilson (Rd 10) and Laron Brown (Rd 11)
1989: Eric Affholter (Rd 4)
1991: Keenan McCardell (Rd 12)
1992: Desmond Howard (Rd 1) and Terry Smith (Rd 11)
1994: Tydus Winans (Rd 4)
1995: Michael Westbrook (Rd 1)
1996: DeAndre Maxwell (Rd 7)
1997: Albert Connell (Rd 4)
1998: Patrick Palmer (Rd 6)
1999: Tim Alexander (Rd 7)
2000: Ethan Howell (Rd 7)
2001: Rod Garnder (Rd 1) and Darnerien McCants (Rd 5)
2002: Cliff Russell (Rd 3)
2003: Taylor Jacobs (Rd 2)
2008: Devin Thomas (Rd 2) and Malcolm Kelly (Rd 2)
2009: Marko Mitchell (Rd 7)
2010: Terence Austin (Rd 7)

Out of that group, not one was a particularly successful Redskin. Keenan McCardell was undoubtedly the best with over 11000 yards in his career, but only 256 came as a Redskin and that was in his second stint and the final stop of his career.

Desmond Howard managed a Super Bowl MVP, but that was primarily as a KR.

Obviously the jury is still out on Austin, but I doubt he reaches a consistent level of success as anything more than a slot receiver.

So, to recap: We suck at selecting WRs.

EDIT: Corrected 1981 Draft: Had Carl Powell in Round 11, should have been Jerry Hill

Re: RUMOR: Skins Want To Deal Devin Thomas
 

[quote=SouperMeister;743376]So of 10 draft choices from the 2008 draft, only one player (Kareem Moore) has managed to establish himself as a starter by season 3. Thanks Vinny.[/quote]

And how many made the squad from this year under Bruce Allen?
All this talk about trading viable players for low draft picks is risky to me.
Conceptually its great...this all assumes we can find a starter in the 4th or 5th round under the new regime....at this point that remains to be seen.

Re: RUMOR: Skins Want To Deal Devin Thomas
 

[quote=jdlea;743401]Well, they took Gary Clark in the Supplemental Draft, but Art Monk is probably the last one in 1980.

That is, unless 2 season leading the team in receiving is a success, then you have Westbrook and Gardner. Each of whom lead the team in receiving yards twice. Their totals?

Westbrook: 736 and 1191 in 1998 and 1999
Gardner: 741 and 1006 in 2001 and 2002

WRs drafted since Art Monk in ascending order:
1981: Charlie Brown (Rd 8) and Carl Powell (Rd 11)
1982: Carl Powell (Rd 3)
1984: Mark Smith (Rd 7) and Curtland Thomas (Rd 12)
1986: Walter Murray (Rd 2) and Eric Yarber (Rd 12)
1987: Ted Wilson (Rd 10) and Laron Brown (Rd 11)
1989: Eric Affholter (Rd 4)
1991: Keenan McCardell (Rd 12)
1992: Desmond Howard (Rd 1) and Terry Smith (Rd 11)
1994: Tydus Winans (Rd 4)
1995: Michael Westbrook (Rd 1)
1996: DeAndre Maxwell (Rd 7)
1997: Albert Connell (Rd 4)
1998: Patrick Palmer (Rd 6)
1999: Tim Alexander (Rd 7)
2000: Ethan Howell (Rd 7)
2001: Rod Garnder (Rd 1) and Darnerien McCants (Rd 5)
2002: Cliff Russell (Rd 3)
2003: Taylor Jacobs (Rd 2)
2008: Devin Thomas (Rd 2) and Malcolm Kelly (Rd 2)
2009: Marko Mitchell (Rd 7)
2010: Terence Austin (Rd 7)

Out of that group, not one was a particularly successful Redskin. Keenan McCardell was undoubtedly the best with over 11000 yards in his career, but only 256 came as a Redskin and that was in his second stint and the final stop of his career.

Desmond Howard managed a Super Bowl MVP, but that was primarily as a KR.

Obviously the jury is still out on Austin, but I doubt he reaches a consistent level of success as anything more than a slot receiver.

So, to recap: We suck at selecting WRs.[/quote]

Two things:
First, nice research. Thanks.
Second, OUCH!!

Re: RUMOR: Skins Want To Deal Devin Thomas
 

[quote=jdlea;743401]Well, they took Gary Clark in the Supplemental Draft, but Art Monk is probably the last one in 1980.

That is, unless 2 season leading the team in receiving is a success, then you have Westbrook and Gardner. Each of whom lead the team in receiving yards twice. Their totals?

Westbrook: 736 and 1191 in 1998 and 1999
Gardner: 741 and 1006 in 2001 and 2002

WRs drafted since Art Monk in ascending order:
1981: Charlie Brown (Rd 8) and Carl Powell (Rd 11)
1982: Carl Powell (Rd 3)
1984: Mark Smith (Rd 7) and Curtland Thomas (Rd 12)
1986: Walter Murray (Rd 2) and Eric Yarber (Rd 12)
1987: Ted Wilson (Rd 10) and Laron Brown (Rd 11)
1989: Eric Affholter (Rd 4)
1991: Keenan McCardell (Rd 12)
1992: Desmond Howard (Rd 1) and Terry Smith (Rd 11)
1994: Tydus Winans (Rd 4)
1995: Michael Westbrook (Rd 1)
1996: DeAndre Maxwell (Rd 7)
1997: Albert Connell (Rd 4)
1998: Patrick Palmer (Rd 6)
1999: Tim Alexander (Rd 7)
2000: Ethan Howell (Rd 7)
2001: Rod Garnder (Rd 1) and Darnerien McCants (Rd 5)
2002: Cliff Russell (Rd 3)
2003: Taylor Jacobs (Rd 2)
2008: Devin Thomas (Rd 2) and Malcolm Kelly (Rd 2)
2009: Marko Mitchell (Rd 7)
2010: Terence Austin (Rd 7)

Out of that group, not one was a [B]particularly successful Redskin[/B]. Keenan McCardell was undoubtedly the best with over 11000 yards in his career, but only 256 came as a Redskin and that was in his second stint and the final stop of his career.

Desmond Howard managed a Super Bowl MVP, but that was primarily as a KR.

Obviously the jury is still out on Austin, but I doubt he reaches a consistent level of success as anything more than a slot receiver.

So, to recap: We suck at selecting WRs.[/quote]

Man, that is depressing. I would argue though that if Westbrook had been a 3rd or maybe even a 2nd round pick, and had not stole S. Davis, fans would look back at him as being a decent wr, maybe a really good #2. Same for Rod Gardner, he was also a decent #2.

Re: RUMOR: Skins Want To Deal Devin Thomas
 

[quote=jdlea;743401]Well, they took Gary Clark in the Supplemental Draft, but Art Monk is probably the last one in 1980.

That is, unless 2 season leading the team in receiving is a success, then you have Westbrook and Gardner. Each of whom lead the team in receiving yards twice. Their totals?

Westbrook: 736 and 1191 in 1998 and 1999
Gardner: 741 and 1006 in 2001 and 2002

WRs drafted since Art Monk in ascending order:
1981: Charlie Brown (Rd 8) and Carl Powell (Rd 11)
1982: Carl Powell (Rd 3)
1984: Mark Smith (Rd 7) and Curtland Thomas (Rd 12)
1986: Walter Murray (Rd 2) and Eric Yarber (Rd 12)
1987: Ted Wilson (Rd 10) and Laron Brown (Rd 11)
1989: Eric Affholter (Rd 4)
[B]1991: Keenan McCardell (Rd 12)[/B]
1992: Desmond Howard (Rd 1) and Terry Smith (Rd 11)
1994: Tydus Winans (Rd 4)
1995: Michael Westbrook (Rd 1)
1996: DeAndre Maxwell (Rd 7)
1997: Albert Connell (Rd 4)
1998: Patrick Palmer (Rd 6)
1999: Tim Alexander (Rd 7)
2000: Ethan Howell (Rd 7)
2001: Rod Garnder (Rd 1) and Darnerien McCants (Rd 5)
2002: Cliff Russell (Rd 3)
2003: Taylor Jacobs (Rd 2)
2008: Devin Thomas (Rd 2) and Malcolm Kelly (Rd 2)
2009: Marko Mitchell (Rd 7)
2010: Terence Austin (Rd 7)

Out of that group, not one was a particularly successful Redskin. Keenan McCardell was undoubtedly the best with over 11000 yards in his career, but only 256 came as a Redskin and that was in his second stint and the final stop of his career.

Desmond Howard managed a Super Bowl MVP, but that was primarily as a KR.

Obviously the jury is still out on Austin, but I doubt he reaches a consistent level of success as anything more than a slot receiver.

So, to recap: We suck at selecting WRs.[/quote]

It amazes me that even Keenan, who played in this league for so many years at a high level can not get DT to be a pro. I bet if you put Gary Clark's heart inside of DT he'd be an all pro, 90 catch guy every year.

Re: RUMOR: Skins Want To Deal Devin Thomas
 

[quote=aceinthehouse;743206]Why are my fellow redskins fans getting all uptight about this D.Thomas situation?
Seriously..why?[/quote]

Really not sure either. The guy hasn't seen the field on offense so it's like like we would miss him at all. If we can find some value for him, great, Shanahan obviously doesn't see him fitting into his plans.