Re: Is it finally time to rebuild??
 

[quote=Beemnseven;770841]At the time though, trading for McNabb, rebuilding or not, was thought to be a relatively good deal. Ideally, you'd like to keep your picks; but most everybody viewed Dmac as a guy who knew how to win, wasn't 'over the hill'-type old, and gave the team solid veteran leadership.

Outside of Andy Reid, [B]I'll bet there wasn't anybody in the league who could have envisioned how bad he turned out to be.[/B][/quote]

I highly doubt this.

Re: Is it finally time to rebuild??
 

Maybe you can pull it up somewhere, but I don't recall a legion of naysayers who definitively said McNabb was done and should retire.

The general consensus seemed to be he would give you another two-three seasons of solid, but not spectacular play. The only question was the price tag.

Re: Is it finally time to rebuild??
 

[quote=Beemnseven;770859]Maybe you can pull it up somewhere, but I don't recall a legion of naysayers who definitively said McNabb was done and should retire.

The general consensus seemed to be he would give you another two-three seasons of solid, but not spectacular play. [B]The only question was the price tag.[/B][/quote]

I don't think McNabb is done or that he should retire. I just don't think bringing him HERE was a good idea. Take a team like Arizona or Minnesota who have all the components and would want to win right away, they would have benefited with a McNabb type. And the price tag was too high.

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[quote=SmootSmack;770715]Riley's having a strong game...for those of you who have already quit on him[/quote]

He definitely looks solid, if he's not in the starting lineup next year opening day I'd be surprised.

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I would really like to see this OL with Heyer at guard and Montgomery or Lichtensteiger at Center.

I get a feeling that Heyer is the only back up for either tackle position, so they do not want to risk it.

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[quote=drew54;770366]Don't forget New Orleans gave back a 5th rounder too.

So as it stands right now draft pics are

1
2
5
5 Saints
6
6/7 Colts (Justin Tryon)
7[/quote]

Looking at those picks I'd go this route.

#1 - OL
#2 - WR
#5 - WR
#5 - RB or NT
The last three....best athlete.

Try to sign Joseph Adai or Cedric Bensen as a FA to address RB.
Start Grossman and go fish for another cheap QB (this is assuming McNabb is gone)

Draft a QB #1 in 2012

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[quote=Beemnseven;770859]The general consensus seemed to be he would give you another two-three seasons of solid, but not spectacular play. The only question was the price tag.[/quote]The other thing I think people were saying is that: what exactly were you getting from McNabb that you weren't already getting in Campbell? A resume? Veteran experience? Something more...tangible, perhaps?

It seemed like the first conclusion we made is that Campbell was a poor fit for the Shanahan system. That could be granted as fact, except that trading for a similar player who is less accurate in McNabb was nonsensical. If you need to go in a different direction at QB, you should actually go in a different direction. The new direction was older.

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[quote=GTripp0012;770932]The other thing I think people were saying is that: what exactly were you getting from McNabb that you weren't already getting in Campbell? A resume? Veteran experience? Something more...tangible, perhaps?

It seemed like the first conclusion we made is that Campbell was a poor fit for the Shanahan system. That could be granted as fact, except that trading for a similar player who is less accurate in McNabb was nonsensical. If you need to go in a different direction at QB, you should actually go in a different direction. The new direction was older.[/quote]

The reality at the time was many folks were scapegoating Campbell...I didn't have that issue with him...we all new he'd never be amazing...just average.
McNabb clearly had a past of being really good...probowler...winner, etc.
His numbers and win percentage indicated that he should be the best franchise QB the skins would have in a decade or longer....even with a bit of a decline due to age...the bottom line is this.
McNabb clearly underperformed this year...even with the poor oline.
But I don't blame him completely...the insanity of the oline coaching and inabilty to make protection coverage changes made the problems far more obvious....think about Rabach starting ALL YEAR and the inabilty to make adjustments with max protection....remember we have a killer FB and a clearly underutilized power LG that is usually not even eligible to play.

This line is still half way a power rushing team and half zone blocking...there were many times close to the goal line we could have benefited from old school smash mouth blocking schemes...the overcomittment to zone blocking (and the 3-4 btw) just to make a point, has probably lost us a few games.....and it certainly has affected the effectiveness of Donovan McNabb

Is it time to rebuild?
Obviously the answer is YES...
It has been every year since Danny purchased the team
But he is a marketing guru...he wants to make sales based on the yearly dream that the Skins could go on a major playoff run....that is usually justified by an offseason coaching or key player acquisition.

Bottom line...we need an overhaul of at least half the team.
To be honest...I'd trade our roster for about 25 other teams

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[quote=Alvin Walton;770926]Looking at those picks I'd go this route.

#1 - OL
#2 - WR
#5 - WR
#5 - RB or NT
The last three....best athlete.

Try to sign Joseph Adai or Cedric Bensen as a FA to address RB.
Start Grossman and go fish for another cheap QB (this is assuming McNabb is gone)

Draft a QB #1 in 2012[/quote]

Do you even know who's available in those rounds. Assigning positions to rounds is more prioritizing than anything else. Even then which QB's are going to be available in 2012? Do you really want to be dealing with a rookie QB in 2012 or a 2nd year QB? Unless of course you want to tank the season in 2011 and go for Andrew Luck in which case I approve of your plan.

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I agree. Besides, were possibly going to have a top 5 pick. We used a top 5 pick on a left tackle last year... And no other ol position is worth taking in the top 5.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;771035]I agree. Besides, were possibly going to have a top 5 pick. We used a top 5 pick on a left tackle last year... And no other ol position is worth taking in the top 5.[/quote]

Nah, we've already won too many games to have a top 5 pick. We're probably slotted somewhere in the 7-15th pick range. Look at it this way.

Carolina - worst record 2-12
Cincy, Denver - 3-11
Detroit, Buffalo, Arizona - 4-10
Us, San Fran, Houston, Dallas, Cleveland, and Minny(5-8, will be either 5-9 at the end of tonight or 6-10, prob. gonna be 5-9) at 5-9

Now that's already 6 teams ahead of us that have a worse record. 3 of those teams, Detroit, Buffalo, and Arizona have a shot at finishing with the same or worse record than us, but I don't think we'll catch Cincy or Denver, and we have to deal with complicated tiebreaker scenarios for the teams with the same record as us, so in the end we're looking at anywhere from the 7th to 15th pick (Most likely somewhere between 7th and 12th, I just say 15th in case we beat Jacksonville or NY. I doubt we win both though, although it's def. doable. If we do win both, we finish 7-9 and then we're lookin at anywhere between 12th-20th.

I'll just go ahead and make a prediction that we go qb in the first round. It's time to get our own franchise qb and there are plenty of good candidates in this year's draft.

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McNabb blew up in our face .. i can't even believe it .. WTF .. i mean WTF people, we brought in Donovan Freaking McNabb at age 34, not 43 .. he should have put up 25 td's and 12 ints ... learned the system, not been a fat ass and throwing ground balls all year ... i didn't even pick up on this until i saw a full Rex game, clearly Rex is not the future but it made me clearly see how many under/over throws #5 has had this year ... how about we draft a WR # 1 ... go get our dez bryant ... let Rexy play a year or 2 ... try and find a QB in the 2nd round ..fill up the rest of the draft with OL .. keep Big Will #63 around .. the guy is SOLID .. our running game is showing how good it can be ... Ryan Torrain needs to be healthy .... Portis will be back .. go buy Sproles who gives a shit .... SIGN VINCENT JACKSON ... you put that all together and it's a playoff sandwhich .. no fat albert distraction this off season ... just putting this paragraph together has made me sick ... **** this season ~

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As part of the rebuild, I would like to see Haslett and Danny Smith replaced as coaches. I would hire Todd Bowles as DC and find another ST coach.

Re: Is it finally time to rebuild??
 

[quote=DCtoAZ;771193]McNabb blew up in our face .. i can't even believe it .. WTF .. i mean WTF people, we brought in Donovan Freaking McNabb at age 34, not 43 .. he should have put up 25 td's and 12 ints ... learned the system, not been a fat ass and throwing ground balls all year ... i didn't even pick up on this until i saw a full Rex game, clearly Rex is not the future but it made me clearly see how many under/over throws #5 has had this year ... how about we draft a WR # 1 ... go get our dez bryant ... let Rexy play a year or 2 ... try and find a QB in the 2nd round ..fill up the rest of the draft with OL .. keep Big Will #63 around .. the guy is SOLID .. our running game is showing how good it can be ... Ryan Torrain needs to be healthy .... Portis will be back .. go buy Sproles who gives a shit .... SIGN VINCENT JACKSON ... you put that all together and it's a playoff sandwhich .. no fat albert distraction this off season ... just putting this paragraph together has made me sick ... **** this season ~[/quote]

Nothing to help the defense?

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If we can get a decent pick for Cooley we have to do it. He is THE most overrated player on the team. He is the second best tight end on the team and probably the 4th or 5th best tight end in the division. He has dropped key balls all friggin' year.