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[quote=Mechanix544;812065]Boy did vonnie holliday embarrass the shit out of himself. What an idiot. I hope the rest of the player reps aren't as idiotic and uninformed as he is, for the players sakes...........[/quote]

How exactly did he embarrass himself? Has anything he said (which he said on ESPN 980 and NFL Radio this morning he was making a play on words from Malcolm X having fun with his followers) that has been refuted? The owners ratified a SETTLEMENT PROPOSAL not an agreement. They changed some of the terms and language in the previous proposal. Would you buy a house without seeing it, walking every room and flipping a light switch?

Fans are taking-and making-this WAY too personally. Yes it's frustrating, yes it's annoying, yes it's all largely foolishness but the bottom line is we will have free agency soon, camp within 2 weeks and a full preseason and regular season.

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[quote=Paintrain;812067]How exactly did he embarrass himself? Has anything he said (which he said on ESPN 980 and NFL Radio this morning he was making a play on words from Malcolm X having fun with his followers) that has been refuted? The owners ratified a SETTLEMENT PROPOSAL not an agreement. They changed some of the terms and language in the previous proposal. Would you buy a house without seeing it, walking every room and flipping a light switch?

Fans are taking-and making-this WAY too personally. Yes it's frustrating, yes it's annoying, yes it's all largely foolishness but the bottom line is we will have free agency soon, camp within 2 weeks and a full preseason and regular season.[/quote]

Agreed.

Man, the callers on NFL radio today are just clueless. People are acting like a deal was struck and the players are simply refusing to go along with it now.

I heard VH on the radio today talking very calmly and intelligently about the issues. One thing he's not is an idiot.

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[quote=Mattyk;812069]Agreed.

Man, the callers on NFL radio today are just clueless. People are acting like a deal was struck and the players are simply refusing to go along with it now.

I heard VH on the radio today talking very calmly and intelligently about the issues. One thing he's not is an idiot.[/quote]

Doesn't mean Joe the Plumber isn't one... :Flush:

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[quote=Mattyk;812069]Agreed.

Man, the callers on NFL radio today are just clueless. People are acting like a deal was struck and the players are simply refusing to go along with it now.

I heard VH on the radio today talking very calmly and intelligently about the issues. One thing he's not is an idiot.[/quote]

I'm sure there are some idiots that thought that all that had to happen was both sides to agree and it was done. I think the informed fan would know that a proposal is just that a proposal. After both sides agree to the proposal then it goes to the lawyers to be legally written and then sent out to be reviewed yet again and then ratified. But .... if both sides agree to the proposal which is the basic ideas then the lockout can be lifted and players can get signed and practices started. The whole while time the final copy is being drawn up to be signed.

The owners want to deal with 1 entity not 1900+. It's all a game. Expensive one but a game. If the players want to play then they have to agree to the proposal, if they want to agree to the proposal then they have to reunite as one entity. There is no reason for the owners to take on all the risk by lifting the lockout, allowing the players to arrive, then peruse the proposal, then vote on becoming a union again, and then voting on the proposal. The players are taking no risk and what if they decide they don't want to become a union again? There are some who don't want it. Then the owners have opened the door for each player to file a suit against them.

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[quote=Mattyk;812069]Agreed.

Man, the callers on NFL radio today are just clueless. People are acting like a deal was struck and the players are simply refusing to go along with it now.

I heard VH on the radio today talking very calmly and intelligently about the issues. One thing he's not is an idiot.[/quote]


Very true.

VH is a well-educated, well-read and articulate man. The Redskins' players ought to chip into a fund to buy this guy a Rolex for the work he has done on their behalf - - and his too to be sure - - over the past year. The Redskins' players have been well-represented.

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This is from just before the owner's most recent proposal yesterday. This is what the NFLPA last saw

[url]http://es.pn/nNutZK[/url]

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[quote=SBXVII;812036]I'm beginning to think the players don't know what the issues are. Each time we hear from a rep it's something different. Did the players get a different proposal with different material inside? Do they not have the power to vote for the better of the whole? Where they not being kept informed of the negotiations and it's content?

The owners had the same issues but wee able to agree on the proposal. There were 32 owners and 32 reps all supposed to decide on the proposal. Not 1900+ players. That's why they are called reps.[/quote]


I've done 5 different contracts over my 30 years at work and no 2 are alike.Yep there are 32 reps and they were at the table for their players but it's the players not the reps that decide everything....they must sit down and look it over ,.....everyplayer has a different issue and most of those players will be lucky to play 5 years so the 7 year cluas most likely will go by the roadside.....at the end of the day the players must decide if they can live with this and what is best for all as a whole.....not the individual.

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Im Sorry, but if vonnie holliday was the articulate, deep thinker everyone claims him to be, why is he crying about the proposal on twitter to fans. Malcolm X comment or not, all that aside, that is not the proper forum. Especially when you are in negotiations for billions of dollars. Did he think that would have a positive impact on the players plight? All it did is make him a beacon for reporters, and when asked the hard questions, as in, "What the hell did they slip in the deal at the last moments", all he can reply with is "I cant go over the finer points of the proposal". If you are going to take a stand on twitter or whatever media outlet you decide, do it and dont be wishy washy. Sorry, but vonnie holliday may be more articulate than the average NFL player, but that does not make him smart at all. Dumb move, especially when you can't articulate on the "finer points". He himself said the deal was on the internet, so if it was available to the masses, why cant you point out exactly what was sour with the proposal? Just another case of NFL players trying to act like seasoned lawyers, and epically failing in said process. Laughable.

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Perhaps not a smart move by Holliday, but that doesn't mean he's not smart.

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He's human, he got caught up in the emotions of it all just like most of us did.

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Like I said previously, too many fans are taking and making this personal.

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[quote=SBXVII;812073]I'm sure there are some idiots that thought that all that had to happen was both sides to agree and it was done. I think the informed fan would know that a proposal is just that a proposal. After both sides agree to the proposal then it goes to the lawyers to be legally written and then sent out to be reviewed yet again and then ratified. But .... if both sides agree to the proposal which is the basic ideas then the lockout can be lifted and players can get signed and practices started. The whole while time the final copy is being drawn up to be signed.

The owners want to deal with 1 entity not 1900+. It's all a game. Expensive one but a game. If the players want to play then they have to agree to the proposal, if they want to agree to the proposal then they have to reunite as one entity. There is no reason for the owners to take on all the risk by lifting the lockout, allowing the players to arrive, then peruse the proposal, then vote on becoming a union again, and then voting on the proposal. The players are taking no risk and what if they decide they don't want to become a union again? There are some who don't want it. Then the owners have opened the door for each player to file a suit against them.[/quote]

"Informed" fans are nonexistent compared to the general dumbass couch potatoes most of them are; they are the ones who think that players only play 16 weeks a year and use the rest of the time for vacation. They are clueless that the players actually do go to work for the rest of the week and the successful ones are self-motivated people who sacrifice their own time in the film room, etc.

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[quote=Paintrain;812137]Like I said previously, too many fans are taking and making this personal.[/quote]

I do take it personally...... I spend way to much time and money on this team and the NFL. I say F the players..................... If you dont like it go get a job that pays 65 grand a year in a non air conditioned cubicle and maybe then they will change their minds. I dont care what people say....millions to play a game......sorry i have no sympathy. Sign the contract

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[quote=Paintrain;812137]Like I said previously, too many fans are taking and making this personal.[/quote]

Definitely.

Everyone needs to calm the hell down. There's going to be football this year. Relax.

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[quote=Mattyk;812143]Definitely.

[B]Everyone needs to calm the hell down. There's going to be football this year. Relax.[/B][/quote]

Yes sir! That's the most important thing. While the process may be lengthier and more painful than we wish, the question of losing real games or even the season is now history.