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[quote=Warthog;1235852]Question: will the Redskins use their top draft pick on a QB in 2020, if Haskins makes no progress this season?

Usually drafted QB get up to two seasons to prove themselves. Will he have that time or will the get a new QB draftee and either: have a QB competition or just dump Haskins for what they can get?


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I think their plan all along was to sit Haskins this year. I really don't think they care about him playing this year. They knew coming in he was going to be a project.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1235848]As a backup, Haskins only job has been to learn the playbook. There's no excuse to be as clueless as he is 6 months in. APs comments would seem to indicate Haskins never really bothered. From what Sheehan has said, Haskin is the kind of guy that will put forth effort if he's "the guy" but completely not interested and disengaged if he's not. If he had been putting in the work from Day 1, perhaps he would be more prepared to be the starter.[/quote]

As a starter it was Smith's job to learn it too and he struggled as we saw. There's a lot more to what he's trying to learn than just memorizing plays.

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[quote=MTK;1235860]As a starter it was Smith's job to learn it too and he struggled as we saw. There's a lot more to what he's trying to learn than just memorizing plays.[/quote]

I do agree that its not fair to compare a seasoned veteran to a rookie when it comes to learning the playbook. The problem is that Haskins supposedly was not putting forth the effort to try. I will root for a player who is trying and struggling. I won't root for one who is lazy, entitled, and not putting in the work. Supposedly Haskins is finally starting to put in the work, but he would be much farther along if he had been doing this from day one.

Re: Will the Current Treatment of HASKINS Effect His Tenure and Performance with the Redskins?
 

[quote=Warthog;1235852]Question: will the Redskins use their top draft pick on a QB in 2020, if Haskins makes no progress this season?

Usually drafted QB get up to two seasons to prove themselves. Will he have that time or will the get a new QB draftee and either: have a QB competition or just dump Haskins for what they can get?


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I think it depends on where we draft and who is available. Between Chase Young and the QBs, we are bound to have the option to select a "cant-miss" franchise player or have multiple offers to trade down.

As much as I am critical of Haskins, I do hope he gets on the field this year and shows us SOMETHING so that we have more options/leverage next year.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1235848]As a backup, Haskins only job has been to learn the playbook. There's no excuse to be as clueless as he is 6 months in. [B]APs comments would seem to indicate Haskins never really bothered[/B]. From what Sheehan has said, Haskin is the kind of guy that will put forth effort if he's "the guy" but completely not interested and disengaged if he's not. If he had been putting in the work from Day 1, perhaps he would be more prepared to be the starter.[/quote]

Ive read this from several people but what AP comments are we talking about?

NFL Network's Mike Garafolo's reporting that AP said Haskins doesnt know the playbook have been dismissed as not true by AP.

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“After the game, I am told that he mentioned to Dwayne Haskins, ‘Get your nose in the playbook and learn these plays. Everyone thinks you don’t know them. You’re proving them right. It is time to study the playbook. Know these things inside, outside, frontwards, backwards, and everything you can,’” Garofolo said. “If Adrian Peterson is telling you this, Dwayne Haskins, it’s time man. It’s time.”

There are a couple of people who are disputing Garofolo’s report, and they are pretty familiar with the story. That story reached both Peterson and Haskins on Twitter, and both players denied that Peterson said those things to Haskins. Peterson requested that Garofolo not report any words that the running back doesn’t say himself and reaffirmed his believe in Haskins.

“If you didn’t hear something direct from me, please don’t attribute it to me,” Peterson tweeted. “I believe in Dwayne and his potential. With more time, support & commitment, he can grown like any other rookie player.”

[url]https://247sports.com/Article/Dwayne-Haskins-Adrian-Peterson-have-beef-with-NFL-Network-report-137611307/[/url]

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[QUOTE=MTK;1235860]As a starter it was Smith's job to learn it too and he struggled as we saw. There's a lot more to what he's trying to learn than just memorizing plays.[/QUOTE]Not only that but the learning comes through reps on the field as well and instead of pushing Haskins from the start Gruden pushed for his guy to get equal reps until he had to admit he wasn't physically able, then JG split reps with a vet who has been in many systems and Haskins. It is not all JGs fault, Haskins bears his part but don't make it all on DH by any means.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1235861]I do agree that its not fair to compare a seasoned veteran to a rookie when it comes to learning the playbook. The problem is that Haskins [B]supposedly[/B] was not putting forth the effort to try. I will root for a player who is trying and struggling. I won't root for one who is lazy, entitled, and not putting in the work. Supposedly Haskins is finally starting to put in the work, but he would be much farther along if he had been doing this from day one.[/quote]

Do you really want to determine your support for Haskins based on the bold part?

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[quote=SunnySide;1235863]Ive read this from several people but what AP comments are we talking about?

NFL Network's Mike Garafolo's reporting that AP said Haskins doesnt know the playbook have been dismissed as not true by AP.

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“After the game, I am told that he mentioned to Dwayne Haskins, ‘Get your nose in the playbook and learn these plays. Everyone thinks you don’t know them. You’re proving them right. It is time to study the playbook. Know these things inside, outside, frontwards, backwards, and everything you can,’” Garofolo said. “If Adrian Peterson is telling you this, Dwayne Haskins, it’s time man. It’s time.”

There are a couple of people who are disputing Garofolo’s report, and they are pretty familiar with the story. That story reached both Peterson and Haskins on Twitter, and both players denied that Peterson said those things to Haskins. Peterson requested that Garofolo not report any words that the running back doesn’t say himself and reaffirmed his believe in Haskins.



[url]https://247sports.com/Article/Dwayne-Haskins-Adrian-Peterson-have-beef-with-NFL-Network-report-137611307/[/url][/quote]

Let's break down what AP actually said:

“If you didn’t hear something direct from me, please don’t attribute it to me,”

That's not a denial. AP did not dispute that the conversation happened. The fact that he didn't deny it would indicate that the conversation DID in fact happen and that AP DID say what Garafolo reported him as saying.

“I believe in Dwayne and his potential. With more time, support & commitment, he can grown like any other rookie player.”

According to Peterson, Haskins needs time, support, and COMMITTMENT to reach that potential. The very fact that he's saying this confirms that Haskins has not been showing the commitment he needs to show. And the fact that he says he can grow "just like any other rookie player" is such non-statement.

The whole thing is damning with faint praise. AP is a leader and a winner. The fact that he even had to have this conversation with Haskins is incredibly troubling.

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[quote=GridIron26;1235866]Do you really want to determine your support for Haskins based on the bold part?[/quote]

My mistake - I shouldn't have used the word supposedly as that indicates i'm not 100 percent sure in my statement that he has not put in the work. All reports are that he hasn't and the evidence that I've seen with my own eyes on the sidelines and in the games confirms it.

Haskins does not deserve support simply for being on the team and more than Bruce Allen does.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1235872]Let's break down what AP actually said:

“If you didn’t hear something direct from me, please don’t attribute it to me,”

That's not a denial. AP did not dispute that the conversation happened. The fact that he didn't deny it would indicate that the conversation DID in fact happen and that AP DID say what Garafolo reported him as saying.

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I heard that interpretation floated around as well .. that AP didnt deny it so its true. I think thats a stretch imo, that AP wasnt blasting the message as being false, just blasting the reporting as second hand.

My gut says he is not Tom Brady but there is nothing to indicate he is Johnny Manziel or Paxton Lynch either. Im holding off on making absolute decisions on him until there is enough credible evidence out there to logically and soundly reach a decision.

2 emergency appearances and Ap denying he said he doesnt know the playbook doesnt come close to the level of information for anyone to make an objective decision. At least imo.

I get it. If I had to guess right now if the kid will be in the league 6 years from now, Id honestly probably say no but thats just me going off gut. Now if he was with a normal organization, then my gut would be "yes" he will be in the league for more than 6 years.

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"all reports are ..." = this is the bone im picking. the only reports are from Garofolo, and AP denied them. We can argue of interpretation of his denial and symantics but it was a denial.

Sheehan has said hes not the "first one in,last one out" but he is active, engaged, likeable and coachable.

Right now all we have are our assumptions and gut opinions.

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All this talk and I'm just sitting here like "why do we need two Haskins threads?"

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I can’t imagine a worse set of circumstances for a rookie QB to get thrown into.

Ashburn is a thresher.....I thought Washington fans would know better then any how screwed up this situation was....Josh Rosen had in waaaaayyyyyy better and his situation was terrible.

Re: Will the Current Treatment of HASKINS Effect His Tenure and Performance with the Redskins?
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1235872]Let's break down what AP actually said:

“If you didn’t hear something direct from me, please don’t attribute it to me,”

That's not a denial. AP did not dispute that the conversation happened. The fact that he didn't deny it would indicate that the conversation DID in fact happen and that AP DID say what Garafolo reported him as saying.

“I believe in Dwayne and his potential. With more time, support & commitment, he can grown like any other rookie player.”

According to Peterson, Haskins needs time, support, [B]and COMMITTMENT to reach that potential[/B]. The very fact that he's saying this confirms that Haskins has not been showing the commitment he needs to show. And the fact that he says he can grow "just like any other rookie player" is such non-statement.

The whole thing is damning with faint praise. AP is a leader and a winner. The fact that he even had to have this conversation with Haskins is incredibly troubling.[/quote]

The reference to commitment here could be a reference to the team committing to him as a starter, not Haskins' commitment. I think there's too much uncertainty here to make this into a real story. The only people who know what was said are AP and DH.