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Rivera says here they have a ST coordinator in place. Was told that is in reference to Nate Kaczor, who is staying on in the same role where he helped guide Tress Way to a Pro Bowl season

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Morocco Mole could be back

[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2020/1/3/21048557/redskins-rumors-gm-wont-be-hired-until-after-the-draft-morocco-brown-a-leading-candidate[/url]

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[quote=mooby;1241858]It's been reported KOC is widely respected in the league, even from his playing days backing up Brady in NE.

Anybody who thinks he wouldn't be able to find another offensive coordinator job is delusional. Matt Lafleur landed a HC gig based off 2 years of OC experience with the Rams and Titans. The majority of NFL teams would love a young up-and-coming offensive coordinator.

All those media reports that talk about the respect KOC has, do you think they wrote those without talking to people outside the Redskins org. about KOC?[/quote]

No, i don't think they wrote those reports without talking to other people. But some of those same ones in the media are saying KOC shouldn't automatically get the job and that Rivera is wise for doing interviews. Both Sheehan and Finlay have said on their podcasts KOC would not necessarily be a hot OC candidate on the Market. Sheehan, especially.

Also, a person can be widely respected in a certain role; that doesn't mean that other teams covet that that person to promote in their own organization. a QB coach can be widely respected - that doesn't mean another organization would make him their head coach or offensive coordinator.

KOC presided over the 2nd-worse offense in the league. 30 other teams already have better options than KOC at their OC position already. Some orgs in a rebuilding mode might take a chance on him, but its not guarantee. My point is that KOC is not YET viewed in league circles the way Sean McVay was or the way Eric Bieneimy is right now.

He, like Haskins, is young, and has showed promise. There's a lot to be excited about with KOC. But he's not yet on the same level as the top OCs. He's much closer to Scott Turner than he is to any of them.

I'm not saying this to trash him. Purely due to his relationship with Haskins alone, I'd want to keep him on the staff. If he's the best OC candidate Rivera interviews, then i'll be very happy to have him on staff. If not, then let him keep the OC title and work with Haskins, but bring in the other guy that Rivera likes better to run the offense.

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[quote=mooby;1241870]+1

I only want KOC if Rivera wants him. But acting like KOC hasn't done jack or is a no-name is completely ignoring all evidence to the contrary.

I also welcome Scott Turner if Rivera wants him too. I want Rivera to have a staff that is fully on board with his plan.[/quote]

No one is saying he hasn't done jack - just that he hasn't done anything to deserve being handed an OC position.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1241914]No one is saying he hasn't done jack - just that he hasn't done anything to deserve being handed an OC position.[/quote]

I want to assume I'm reading this wrong, because it reads like you think KOC was promoted to OC and then playcaller even though he didn't do anything to deserve being promoted.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1241919]I want to assume I'm reading this wrong, because it reads like you think KOC was promoted to OC and then playcaller even though he didn't do anything to deserve being promoted.[/QUOTE]I think the point was that with a new, better, staff coming in, KOC's limited experience doesn't qualify as an automatic pass on going through the interview and evaluation process. If KOC impresses we all hope that Rivera will make his choice on those basis' not whether KOC was a golden child here before, or Scott Turner was his OC in Carolina.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1241938]I think the point was that with a new, better, staff coming in, KOC's limited experience doesn't qualify as an automatic pass on going through the interview and evaluation process. If KOC impresses we all hope that Rivera will make his choice on those basis' not whether KOC was a golden child here before, or Scott Turner was his OC in Carolina.

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Just so we're clear, I am in no way promoting the idea that KOC deserves to be Rivera's OC because he was Jay Gruden's OC.

If Rivera likes KOC and thinks he will be fine running the offense, bring him back.

If Rivera likes Bill Callahan's 1940's 80 runs a game offense better than KOC's, bring Callahan back.

The decision is Rivera's. I want complete coaching cohesion more than I want any one assistant coach. We absolutely could not afford to have KOC on staff if he went out and taught concepts that Rivera conflicted with.

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It looks like some of Carolina staff moving north.

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/whos-report-shows-rivera-hiring-new-coaches-booting-some-redskins-favorites[/url]

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[quote=mooby;1241943]Just so we're clear, I am in no way promoting the idea that KOC deserves to be Rivera's OC because he was Jay Gruden's OC.

If Rivera likes KOC and thinks he will be fine running the offense, bring him back.

If Rivera likes Bill Callahan's 1940's 80 runs a game offense better than KOC's, bring Callahan back.

The decision is Rivera's. I want complete coaching cohesion more than I want any one assistant coach. We absolutely could not afford to have KOC on staff if he went out and taught concepts that Rivera conflicted with.[/quote]

And that's why I think Rivera moves on from KOC. I think he wants to know he's got the coaches on his staff who are all going to be one the same page. I have no problem with that. As long as it's Rivera making the decisions.

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I would love Pat Shurmur as OC.

:thumbsup:

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Yes Pat Shurmur would be an outstanding get. I think I’d also be thrilled to retain O’Connell.

But if you want to compare resumes it’s Shurmur hands down. Very accomplished at multiple stops.

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So Pat Shurmur as OC and Jason Garrett as QB Coach?

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1242121]So Pat Shurmur as OC and Jason Garrett as QB Coach?[/quote]

I mean y not? But Garrett will get an OC role somewhere

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I would love Shurmur over KOC.

Young, rising, offensive coordinators are all the rage right now. While I dont think KOC has done anything even remotely remarkable yet, he's talked about enough that, if he has a great year or two, he'll be a serious HC candidate in 2021 or 2022. So if he sucks, we clearly don't want him. But if he's good, we're going to lose him and have to look for another OC again.

Shurmur, on the other hand, is a proven, excellent OC who has failed twice as a head coach. I doubt he gets a 3rd chance any time soon. We would have him for as long as we want him.

Give me the proven high-quality candidate who will remain with the team several years over gambling on a young rising star, who, if he works out, will just leave to help some other team.

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1242121]So Pat Shurmur as OC and Jason Garrett as [B]QB Coach[/B]?[/quote]

Need to find someone to give Dwayne Haskins consistent grade A fundamentals.
I noticed how Keenum usually throw tight spirals with his feet properly planted and a nice arm motion. If that could only rub off on Haskins. I don't get the inconsistency with him and his techniques.