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[quote=Mattyk;649409]His final numbers:

3,618 yards, 20 TDs, 15 INTs, 64.5% completions, 86.4 rating

All while playing behind a bad OL. Seems like a guy worth keeping around to me.[/quote]Very servicable numbers considering that this team had a terrible running game and subpar pass protection. The Snyder Doctrine of drafting perimeter/skill position players (especially DB's and WR's) has failed Campbell and the franchise miserably. I don't care if Eric Berry is the 2nd coming of Ed Reed in the 2010 draft. Consistently good teams win the battle in the trenches. It is high time to address the O-line early and often. Give Campbell a fighting chance in the pocket - even Tom Brady could not function behind this sieve.

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I'll be happy with the decision that the new administration makes, because it's not Cerrato's dumb ass.

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[quote=SKINS73;649430]Just an FYI - Carson Palmer's numbers:

3,094, 21 TDs, 13 INTs, 60.5% completions, 83.6 rating[/quote]

before yesterday's game on JC's 3,000 passing yds, more than 2,000 came after the catch. about 58% of his pass yds are from yac. thats by far more than any other team in the nfl.

he is what he is. an average qb with most of his completions being within 10 yds.

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[quote=over the mountain;649504]before yesterday's game on JC's 3,000 passing yds, more than 2,000 came after the catch. about 58% of his pass yds are from yac. thats by far more than any other team in the nfl.

he is what he is. an average qb with most of his completions being within 10 yds.[/quote]

He's also what virtually every analyst who did a Redskins game said he is, a QB that a team can win with. He's not, and will probably never will be, elite at the level of a Peyton, Brady, Brees but in the right situation I think he can be every bit of the Eli, Schaub, McNabb type of QB. He's not going to carry a team but he's not going to torpedo your teams chances either.

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[quote=Mattyk;649409]His final numbers:

3,618 yards, 20 TDs, 15 INTs, 64.5% completions, 86.4 rating

All while playing behind a bad OL. Seems like a guy worth keeping around to me.[/quote]

mark brunell had similar numbers and everyone wanted to run him off.

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[quote=Paintrain;649508]He's also what virtually every analyst who did a Redskins game said he is, a QB that a team can win with. He's not, and will probably never will be, elite at the level of a Peyton, Brady, Brees but in the right situation I think he can be every bit of the Eli, Schaub, McNabb type of QB. He's not going to carry a team but he's not going to torpedo your teams chances either.[/quote]

yeah i know and agree. the announcer yesterday said the same "you can win with jason campbell" mantra but he also said "things just dont process quickly enough for him". i agree with both, that you can win with JC and that his D reads and decision making just doesnt click fast enough.

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[quote=Paintrain;649508]He's also what virtually every analyst who did a Redskins game said he is, a QB that a team can win with. He's not, and will probably never will be, elite at the level of a Peyton, Brady, Brees but in the right situation I think he can be every bit of the Eli, Schaub, McNabb type of QB. He's not going to carry a team but he's not going to torpedo your teams chances either.[/quote]

the teams w/ elite qb play have a better chance of winning. if the fo thinks bradford is the guy then we should take him.

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A new coach usually means a new QB. Especially with a guy who is so hands on with his QB's like Shanahan. I've got no problem with drafting a QB if that's the decision.

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I can only conjure 2 words to define this poll. Stockholm Syndrome.

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[quote=Kalisto2010;649535]I can only conjure 2 words to define this poll. Stockholm Syndrome.[/quote]

San Francisco! :benched:


Let me guess, you were on the Sanchez wagon.

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From the Press Conference, Bruce Allen on Campbell: While he's had 51 starts, his best days are ahead of him.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;649567]From the Press Conference, Bruce Allen on Campbell: While he's had 51 starts, his best days are ahead of him.[/quote]

:food-smil

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Allen also said there will be no status quo with the new coach. Translation-if the new coach doesn't want Campbell, Campbell's current starter status will not afford him any benefit of the doubt

Sanchez's best days are ahead of him as well Buster :)

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Just had an interesting thought - Kyle Shanahan recently said that he will go wherever his father coaches in 2010 - so assuming mike shanahan becomes our next coach and brings kyle with him, what are the chances we pull a trade for Matt Schuab?

And even if Mike and Kyle wanted Schuab, would houston even be willing to trade him?

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Schaub just signed a contract exstension. SO I doubt he will be going anywhere anytime soon. 3 year extension was reported on ESPN this morning.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;649585]Just had an interesting thought - Kyle Shanahan recently said that he will go wherever his father coaches in 2010 - so assuming mike shanahan becomes our next coach and brings kyle with him, what are the chances we pull a trade for Matt Schuab?

And even if Mike and Kyle wanted Schuab, would houston even be willing to trade him?[/quote]

A more likely possibility is bringing former Redskins Sage Rosenfels as a backup QB/caretaker starter

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I say bring back Gus!!!!!!!!!!!! Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!

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By the time we get a decent team around JC his best days will be behind him. I don't see us in the playoffs til 2012 earliest even with Shanahan. You have to think that some of our picks won't pan out, etc.

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[quote=SmootSmack;649588]A more likely possibility is bringing former Redskins Sage Rosenfels as a backup QB/caretaker starter[/quote]
Yeah, that makes a ton of sense.. Worked with Kyle in Houston, knows the system. Minny gave up a 4th and signed him to an extension and Tavaris Jackson is a restricted free agent so it'll be interesting to see what they want.

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I want someone to ask Campbell does he want to comeback and have an even shorter career because he got the ish smacked out of him every week. He would be better off in Oakland than Washington.

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[quote=over the mountain;649512]yeah i know and agree. the announcer yesterday said the same "you can win with jason campbell" mantra but he also said "things just dont process quickly enough for him". i agree with both, that you can win with JC and that his D reads and decision making just doesnt click fast enough.[/quote]


Those are contradictory statements by that guy. Basically he is saying he has the tools, but is too slow to read the defense quickly enough to be a winner. This guy just lost to Norv's second and 3rd stringers yesterday. Great stats, but still lost. THe only real stat in my mind that counts is Ws. Look at Flacco, crappy stats yardage wise, but he wins. JC isn't going to have a solid team in place for another 2-4 seasons. Do you think we will keep him for that long? Also, he only "broke out" when the season was a total loss, he sucked monkey balls beforehand. Sure you can chalk it up to Zorn, but his execution still sucked for the most part. Guy has been around too long keeping the bad habits he still has.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;649599]Those are contradictory statements by that guy. Basically he is saying he has the tools, but is too slow to read the defense quickly enough to be a winner. This guy just lost to Norv's second and 3rd stringers yesterday. Great stats, but still lost. THe only real stat in my mind that counts is Ws. Look at Flacco, crappy stats yardage wise, but he wins. JC isn't going to have a solid team in place for another 2-4 seasons. Do you think we will keep him for that long? Also, he only "broke out" when the season was a total loss, he sucked monkey balls beforehand. Sure you can chalk it up to Zorn, but his execution still sucked for the most part. Guy has been around too long keeping the bad habits he still has.[/quote]

Actually what he said was that 'in the pocket, Campbell seems slow in his progressions' while making the point that he thinks JC is much more effective rolling out and making decisions on the move.

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[quote=SmootSmack;649588]A more likely possibility is bringing former Redskins Sage Rosenfels as a backup QB/caretaker starter[/quote]

i'd be fine with that, but i'm not sure what he'd have to offer that campbell doesnt, other than familiarity with the system. It would also depend on what favre does in 2010. I can see the vikings releasing him or trading him for minimal compensation if favre returns, but if he doesn't he'd be too valuable for them to get rid of.

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[quote=Valleyranchgirl;649595]I want someone to ask Campbell does he want to comeback and have an even shorter career because he got the ish smacked out of him every week. He would be better off in Oakland than Washington.[/quote]


I don't know if that is really the issue now. With the new regime coming in there is no way to tell what the oline and the Redskins as a whole are going to look like next year. I imagine that there will be a vast improvement in Oline play in 2010. And Jason sure as hell doesn't want ot end up out there in Oakland. As long as Al davis is alive.

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[quote=Mattyk;649531]A new coach usually means a new QB. Especially with a guy who is so hands on with his QB's like Shanahan. I've got no problem with drafting a QB if that's the decision.[/quote]

I agree that a new coach usually means a new QB but the only QB Shanny had success with is Elway who was a superstar before Shanny got there.

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[quote=irish;649611]I agree that a new coach usually means a new QB but the only QB Shanny had success with is Elway who was a superstar before Shanny got there.[/quote]

Cutler played his best ball under him, who knows where that could have led to.

Elway had some of his best years under Shanahan.

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Re: Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?
...........still yes.........

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[quote=SmootSmack;649588]A more likely possibility is bringing former Redskins Sage Rosenfels as a backup QB/caretaker starter[/quote]

Upgrade if he's replacing Collins.

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[quote=Mattyk;649617]Cutler played his best ball under him, who knows where that could have led to.

Elway had some of his best years under Shanahan.[/quote]

I think Elway had great years under his other coach too.

Cutler might have played good ball but they didnt win so it didnt seem like it was going to lead anywhere. In his last 3 seasons at Den Shanny was 24-24. Who knows, maybe had they stuck with him it might have but I wonder if DS will stick with him if he's 24-24 after 3 seasons.

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At this point, 3 consecutive 8-8 seasons look great for us! :D

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Yes.

None of the college quarterbacks available in the draft look like a first year starter. None of the potential free agent veterans look any better than Campbell. I would concentrate on offensive line, linebacker and secondary in the draft. I would pick up a quarterback in the middle rounds. I'm not impressed with the top quarterbacks. None are worth a first round selection.

[url=http://walterfootball.com/draft2010QB.php]WalterFootball.com: 2010 NFL Draft: Quarterback Rankings[/url]

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;649665]Yes.

None of the college quarterbacks available in the draft look like a first year starter. None of the potential free agent veterans look any better than Campbell. I would concentrate on offensive line, linebacker and secondary in the draft. I would pick up a quarterback in the middle rounds. I'm not impressed with the top quarterbacks. None are worth a first round selection.

[URL="http://walterfootball.com/draft2010QB.php"]WalterFootball.com: 2010 NFL Draft: Quarterback Rankings[/URL][/quote]
Clausen is a franchise-caliber QB, Walter Football thinks so too.

A good blog on Clausen, I agree with it
[URL="http://walterfootball.com/mattblog091229.php"]WalterFootball.com: The NFL Matt Draft - Matt McGuire's NFL Draft Blog[/URL]

We will be incredibly lucky if he falls to us. I don't think he'll get past STL though. The other QBs are not first round talent IMO, including Bradford.

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[quote=irish;649611]I agree that a new coach usually means a new QB but the only QB Shanny had success with is Elway who was a superstar before Shanny got there.[/quote]

This is simply not true. He got both Griese and Cutler to the pro bowl as well as securing a pro bowl alternate spot for Jake Plummer in 2005. To say he hasn't had success with QB's since he won the Super Bowl is like saying that up until now the Saints have failed with Drew Brees because they haven't even been to the Super Bowl with him as their QB.

This will be said a lot over the next few weeks, heck it's already been said, but Elway had lost 3 Super Bowls before Shannahan came in.

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Good catch Slingin' Sammy, Clausen is rated a franchise caliber QB, but will he be available at #4? I don't think so. I also question his Pro potential. Brady Quinn, also from Notre Dame was highly rated and is still hasn't fully developed. If Clausen is so good, why did Notre Dame struggle so much. I'm not sold on this quarterback draft class. The Redskins need to draft a left tackle in the first round. I like Russell Okung, Oklahoma State and Bruce Campbell, Maryland.

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YES give him a line and he will improve.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;649728]This is simply not true. He got both Griese and Cutler to the pro bowl as well as securing a pro bowl alternate spot for Jake Plummer in 2005. To say he hasn't had success with QB's since he won the Super Bowl is like saying that up until now the Saints have failed with Drew Brees because they haven't even been to the Super Bowl with him as their QB.

This will be said a lot over the next few weeks, heck it's already been said, but Elway had lost 3 Super Bowls before Shannahan came in.[/quote]

I dont recall saying he didnt have success with QB, what I think I said (or meant to say) is that once Elway left his teams didnt really have much success. If they did have success I'm pretty sure he'd still be in Denver.

Hopefully it works out and with Vinny gone I think chances are better than ever that it will.

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;649741]Good catch Slingin' Sammy, Clausen is rated a franchise caliber QB, but will he be available at #4? I don't think so. I also question his Pro potential. Brady Quinn, also from Notre Dame was highly rated and is still hasn't fully developed. If Clausen is so good, why did Notre Dame struggle so much. I'm not sold on this quarterback draft class. The Redskins need to draft a left tackle in the first round. I like Russell Okung, Oklahoma State and Bruce Campbell, Maryland.[/quote]

He'll be there if the Rams don't take him. The concern I have with Clausen is his limited time as a successful college QB. Still, I wouldn't mind getting him at all. ND struggled because they had No D. They scored 30 points over 6 times this year I think and I'm not sure they won any of those games (don't quote me on that)

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;649741]Good catch Slingin' Sammy, [B]Clausen is rated a franchise caliber QB, but will he be available at #4? I don't think so.[/B] I also question his Pro potential. Brady Quinn, also from Notre Dame was highly rated and is still hasn't fully developed. If Clausen is so good, why did Notre Dame struggle so much. I'm not sold on this quarterback draft class. The Redskins need to draft a left tackle in the first round. I like Russell Okung, Oklahoma State and Bruce Campbell, Maryland.[/quote]

It all depends on who the Rams like. They could take Suh but their taking a QB is more likely. So do they like Clausen better or Bradford better?

We can't answer that question for sure until draft day.

But it seems unlikely that Detroit or Tampa will take a QB. Therefore either Clausen or Bradford (and maybe both) will be available at #4.

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[quote=irish;649764]I dont recall saying he didnt have success with QB, what I think I said (or meant to say) is that once Elway left his teams didnt really have much success. If they did have success I'm pretty sure he'd still be in Denver.

Hopefully it works out and with Vinny gone I think chances are better than ever that it will.[/quote]

Alright, yeah on that point I agree. However I think that was mainly due to a lack of talent on defense. Maybe that was his fault since he was in charge of putting together the roster, but in looking at his numbers his offenses have never had a problem. On top of that I don't think he's had a D-Coordinator that has been on the level Zimmers currently at for a while.

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[quote=irish;649764]I dont recall saying he didnt have success with QB, what I think I said (or meant to say) is that once Elway left his teams didnt really have much success. If they did have success I'm pretty sure he'd still be in Denver.

Hopefully it works out and with Vinny gone I think chances are better than ever that it will.[/quote]

Keep in mind that not only did he lose Elway, he also lost Terrell Davis to injury. T.D played in only 17 games in 3 seasons after their last Superbowl victory. He also lost 2 other Pro Bowlers on offense Shannan Sharpe and Mark Schlereth. Lastly, he lost his 4 time pro bowler CB Dale Carter to the Ravens. That 98-99 Denver team was stacked, it wasn't just Elway, Elway proved 4 times before he couldn't carry the team by himself.