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According to the Sporting News, Tebow has five team-specific workouts, and the Redskins is one of those teams.

[url=http://www.sportingnews.com/college-football/article/2010-03-17/improved-mechanics-tebow-shows-hes-quarterback]With improved mechanics, Tebow shows 'he's a quarterback' - Matt Hayes - College Football - Sporting News[/url]

Here's another QB I'm not sold on.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;675861]I am guessing that you are not high on Campbell and must be star struck by Bradford.

Your points are good ones but if we actually traded Campbell, Carter and our #4 pick for a complete uncertainty along with the #1 pick's contract, the league should step in and start running our team. That scenario is crazy.[/quote]

No I'm no longer high on Campbell. When we had Brunell and picked up Campbell I was excited. Hearing all the fluff I was hoping we finally had a franchise QB picked late in the first round. Hell we even moved up to get him. After 6yrs and very little improvement I'm pretty much done. Throw in whatever excuse you choose to use "It was the OL", "It was the scheme changes", "It was bad HCing." I don't care, I'm done.

He reminds me of ARE. Paid him a lot of money and he has not lived up to his contract. JC is a very good QB but will never be a franchise QB. If we keep him I'm ok with it. He's servicable. If we get some sort of draft pick for him I'm good with that also. You say I'm not high on JC, your correct, I was at first but have fallen off his bandwagon over time. I was also a Mason fan and have since fallen off his bandwagon.

Am I high on Bradford.... kinda yes. I'm more high on any QB that has more accuracy then JC. What I kept hearing was Bradford has the best accuracy, then McCoy was next but he doesn't have a strong arm for the long passes. While looking up Clausen today, which is why I posted the remarks on him, I was supprised to see he's supposed to be an accurate passer and has the arm to make all the throws. If this is so then I'd be happy with him cause I think Shanahan will check him if his ego gets too big.

Lastly, I'm more interested in QB at #4 or moving up to get which ever QB Shanahan thinks is best for his system because like others have said... this years QB draft pool is limited in talent. Probably the top 3 Bradford, Clausen, McCoy will pan out to be something early on. The rest are questionable and most likely would need time to build their skills. However at OL there is an abundance of talent. Rumor I hear is Okung is good but might not be good in a zone blocking scheme. His lateral movement is not as good as most zone blocking LT's should be. Not that he's not a great LT or should not be listed as the top prospect. It's just the zone blocking LT's are in abundance and are not projected to go in the first round.

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[quote=SBXVII;675877]No I'm no longer high on Campbell. When we had Brunell and picked up Campbell I was excited. Hearing all the fluff I was hoping we finally had a franchise QB picked late in the first round. Hell we even moved up to get him. After 6yrs and very little improvement I'm pretty much done. Throw in whatever excuse you choose to use "It was the OL", "It was the scheme changes", "It was bad HCing." I don't care, I'm done.

He reminds me of ARE. Paid him a lot of money and he has not lived up to his contract. JC is a very good QB but will never be a franchise QB. If we keep him I'm ok with it. He's servicable. If we get some sort of draft pick for him I'm good with that also. You say I'm not high on JC, your correct, I was at first but have fallen off his bandwagon over time. I was also a Mason fan and have since fallen off his bandwagon.

Am I high on Bradford.... kinda yes. I'm more high on any QB that has more accuracy then JC. What I kept hearing was Bradford has the best accuracy, then McCoy was next but he doesn't have a strong arm for the long passes. While looking up Clausen today, which is why I posted the remarks on him, I was supprised to see he's supposed to be an accurate passer and has the arm to make all the throws. If this is so then I'd be happy with him cause I think Shanahan will check him if his ego gets too big.

Lastly, I'm more interested in QB at #4 or moving up to get which ever QB Shanahan thinks is best for his system because like others have said... this years QB draft pool is limited in talent. Probably the top 3 Bradford, Clausen, McCoy will pan out to be something early on. The rest are questionable and most likely would need time to build their skills. However at OL there is an abundance of talent. [B]Rumor I hear is Okung is good but might not be good in a zone blocking scheme.[/B] His lateral movement is not as good as most zone blocking LT's should be. Not that he's not a great LT or should not be listed as the top prospect. It's just the zone blocking LT's are in abundance and are not projected to go in the first round.[/quote]

I have yet to see a reliable and somewhat trustworthy source on this. Maybe if the pundits were actually talking of the Redskins drafting Okung instead of a QB, there'd be more talk about this.

Okung hands down is the best tackle in the draft, and from what I have read on him it sounds like he would be fine in zone blocking. But if someone finds an analysis that says otherwise, please do share it.

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LOL, Sorry I had to post.....

[url]http://www.mouthpiecesports.com/media/images/contacts/9699/image/rexgrossman.jpg[/url]

I think it must be one of those karma sutra positions. :) Good ole Sexy Rexy.

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[quote=SBXVII;675882]LOL, Sorry I had to post.....

[url]http://www.mouthpiecesports.com/media/images/contacts/9699/image/rexgrossman.jpg[/url]

I think it must be one of those karma sutra positions. :) Good ole Sexy Rexy.[/quote]

Wrong on soooo many levels!

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Should I change this thread title to Will Okung Block for Grossman?

Anyhow

"We ran a lot of zone blocking in college, so that's where I'm most comfortable. But I can play whatever is needed. I'm not worried about it. "

[url=http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/2/25/1326576/quick-hits-from-russell-okungs]Quick Hits from Russell Okung's Combine Press Conference - Arrowhead Pride[/url]

...but I still think we're taking Trent Williams

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[quote=doughtydoubter;675854]in totally buying my "sexy rexy" jersey today[/quote]

You mean this?
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Crap now what number is Clausen going to wear? First 7 now 8 is taken.

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[quote=SmootSmack;675884]Should I change this thread title to Will Okung Block for Grossman?

Anyhow

"We ran a lot of zone blocking in college, so that's where I'm most comfortable. But I can play whatever is needed. I'm not worried about it. "

[url=http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/2/25/1326576/quick-hits-from-russell-okungs]Quick Hits from Russell Okung's Combine Press Conference - Arrowhead Pride[/url][/quote]

Why is the KC newspaper quoting our new OT!?!?!?

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[quote=Ruhskins;675879]I have yet to see a reliable and somewhat trustworthy source on this. Maybe if the pundits were actually talking of the Redskins drafting Okung instead of a QB, there'd be more talk about this.

Okung hands down is the best tackle in the draft, and from what I have read on him it sounds like he would be fine in zone blocking. But if someone finds an analysis that says otherwise, please do share it.[/quote]

Well I don't know about Okung being "hands down" the best tackle either. I've seen reports saying Trent Williams is the top prospect. I've saw another that said Bruce Campbell, out of Maryland, is a sleeper and is probably the most "athletic" out of the whole bunch.

I think what's certain is that this draft is fairly deep at the offensive tackle position.

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[quote=SmootSmack;675884]Should I change this thread title to Will Okung Block for Grossman?

Anyhow

"We ran a lot of zone blocking in college, so that's where I'm most comfortable. But I can play whatever is needed. I'm not worried about it. "

[url=http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/2/25/1326576/quick-hits-from-russell-okungs]Quick Hits from Russell Okung's Combine Press Conference - Arrowhead Pride[/url]

[B]...but I still think we're taking Trent Williams[/B][/quote]

Hey I'm fine with this. Are you basing this on the Warpath's Mock Draft? LOL. (just kidding).

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[quote=SBXVII;675877]No I'm no longer high on Campbell. When we had Brunell and picked up Campbell I was excited. Hearing all the fluff I was hoping we finally had a franchise QB picked late in the first round. Hell we even moved up to get him. After 6yrs and very little improvement I'm pretty much done. Throw in whatever excuse you choose to use "It was the OL", "It was the scheme changes", "It was bad HCing." I don't care, I'm done.

He reminds me of ARE. Paid him a lot of money and he has not lived up to his contract. JC is a very good QB but will never be a franchise QB. If we keep him I'm ok with it. He's servicable. If we get some sort of draft pick for him I'm good with that also. You say I'm not high on JC, your correct, I was at first but have fallen off his bandwagon over time. I was also a Mason fan and have since fallen off his bandwagon.

Am I high on Bradford.... kinda yes. I'm more high on any QB that has more accuracy then JC. What I kept hearing was Bradford has the best accuracy, then McCoy was next but he doesn't have a strong arm for the long passes. While looking up Clausen today, which is why I posted the remarks on him, I was supprised to see he's supposed to be an accurate passer and has the arm to make all the throws. If this is so then I'd be happy with him cause I think Shanahan will check him if his ego gets too big.

Lastly, I'm more interested in QB at #4 or moving up to get which ever QB Shanahan thinks is best for his system because like others have said... this years QB draft pool is limited in talent. Probably the top 3 Bradford, Clausen, McCoy will pan out to be something early on. The rest are questionable and most likely would need time to build their skills. However at OL there is an abundance of talent. Rumor I hear is Okung is good but might not be good in a zone blocking scheme. His lateral movement is not as good as most zone blocking LT's should be. Not that he's not a great LT or should not be listed as the top prospect. It's just the zone blocking LT's are in abundance and are not projected to go in the first round.[/quote]


I don't think it is limited at all(QB field). A lot of potential franchisers in this draft. Not saying they will pan out, but you don't know if Bradford and co are going to pan out either. It(meaning who is considered a top franchise type QB) all boils down to hype(press both TV, radio, and print, mostly TV though). A terrific QB on a bad team won't get the hype or exposure than one on a stacked powerhouse, so he won't be considered a decent prospect. I wouldn't be at all surprised if 3 out of the 4 top QBs bomb in the NFL. Why? The advantage the offense has over the defense in CFB is rendered almost null and void in the NFL. Next, you have the parity in the NFL. Not much parity in the Big 12 or SEC is there? You have a few really good teams with most being average to crappy. These guys might not be able to hack the parity every week as they were spoiled with being on vastly superior teams. Pretty hard for Tebow not to look good when you have the best running game in all of college football and taking snaps behind a mammoth line. Bradford might pan out the same way as Tebow. The Big 12 isn't known for parity either, or defense.

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[quote=SmootSmack;675884]Should I change this thread title to Will Okung Block for Grossman?

Anyhow

"We ran a lot of zone blocking in college, so that's where I'm most comfortable. But I can play whatever is needed. I'm not worried about it. "

[url=http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/2/25/1326576/quick-hits-from-russell-okungs]Quick Hits from Russell Okung's Combine Press Conference - Arrowhead Pride[/url]

...but I still think we're taking Trent Williams[/quote]

Ummm...I like Bruce Campbell blocking for Jimmy Clausen.

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[quote=Ruhskins;675904]Hey I'm fine with this. Are you basing this on the Warpath's Mock Draft? LOL. (just kidding).[/quote]

LOL. No...basing it on my own mock draft

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/672522-post41.html[/url]

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[quote=Dirtbag359;675885]You mean this?
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Crap now what number is Clausen going to wear? First 7 now 8 is taken.[/quote]

It would be nice to see him wear #1. Has any QB worn that number since Moon?

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[quote=Ruhskins;675874]According to the Sporting News, Tebow has five team-specific workouts, and the Redskins is one of those teams.

[URL="http://www.sportingnews.com/college-football/article/2010-03-17/improved-mechanics-tebow-shows-hes-quarterback"]With improved mechanics, Tebow shows 'he's a quarterback' - Matt Hayes - College Football - Sporting News[/URL]

Here's another QB I'm not sold on.[/quote]

He's not a day one starter, but McShay was really impressed with how far he's progressed in just 5 weeks. It is pretty impressive. He's been throwing the same way his whole life, and in less than 40 days he tweaked the motion significantly and was still able to impress with his throws today. The intangibles/leadership/athleticism has never been in doubt. If he can improve his mechanics that much in 5 weeks, how about if he sits for a few seasons behind an established QB?

I would love for the Redskins to draft Tebow. Heck, I may even shed a tear. But taking him with the 4th pick in the 2nd round may be too high, and he won't be there in the 3rd. Plus we don't have an established QB. He's probably not a fit for us, but I'd take him over Colt McCoy in a heartbeat. Hell, if we're not drafting a day 1 starter, I'd take him over Clausen, too.

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[quote=Ruhskins;675874]According to the Sporting News, Tebow has five team-specific workouts, and the Redskins is one of those teams.

[URL="http://www.sportingnews.com/college-football/article/2010-03-17/improved-mechanics-tebow-shows-hes-quarterback"]With improved mechanics, Tebow shows 'he's a quarterback' - Matt Hayes - College Football - Sporting News[/URL]

Here's another QB I'm not sold on.[/quote]

Watch this:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9vVSU9CXGQ]YouTube - The Legacy of Tim Tebow[/ame]

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[quote=GMScud;675937]He's not a day one starter, but McShay was really impressed with how far he's progressed in just 5 weeks. It is pretty impressive. He's been throwing the same way his whole life, and in less than 40 days he tweaked the motion significantly and was still able to impress with his throws today. The intangibles/leadership/athleticism has never been in doubt. If he can improve his mechanics that much in 5 weeks, how about if he sits for a few seasons behind an established QB?

I would love for the Redskins to draft Tebow. Heck, I may even shed a tear. But taking him with the 4th pick in the 2nd round may be too high, and he won't be there in the 3rd. Plus we don't have an established QB. He's probably not a fit for us, but I'd take him over Colt McCoy in a heartbeat. Hell, if we're not drafting a day 1 starter, I'd take him over Clausen, too.[/quote]

Has it really been just 5 weeks though, because I thought he was also secretly practicing the new motion last summer but struggled with it and Meyer decided to just have him go back to what he's used to?

Anyhow my concern is that once he gets into game action his muscle memory will revert him to his old mechanics and ways.

Still, I wouldn't too much weight into Tebow being brought in for a private workout. Just due diligence

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[quote=Ruhskins;675874]According to the Sporting News, Tebow has five team-specific workouts, and the Redskins is one of those teams.

[url=http://www.sportingnews.com/college-football/article/2010-03-17/improved-mechanics-tebow-shows-hes-quarterback]With improved mechanics, Tebow shows 'he's a quarterback' - Matt Hayes - College Football - Sporting News[/url]

Here's another QB I'm not sold on.[/quote]
ahh

didn't see this before I made the thread in the draft forum

oh well

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Yeah there's a huge difference between lobbing some passes out to a guy on the practice field and having to get rid of the ball as D. Ware closes in on you. Congrats to him if he can get it fixed.. or even survive without fixing it, to me he's just not proven enough to take in front of several of the other guys, 2nd round would be a reach for him.

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[quote=Kalisto2010;675912]It would be nice to see him wear #1. Has any QB worn that number since Moon?[/quote]

Jeff George (Falcons).

So, NO...no QB has worn it since. :D

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With all of the things that new NFL QB's have to learn, Tebow is going to add learning a new throwing motion and making it so solid that he doesn't revert to old ways under fire. Good luck with that.

I think a more intelligent path for Tebow is to just start prepping to be an H-back now.

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So now we've gone in this thread from Grossman to Colt to Campbell to Okung to Tebow...

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Next up, Terrell Owens.

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[quote=SmootSmack;676034]So now we've gone in this thread from Grossman to Colt to Campbell to Okung to Tebow...[/quote]

Slingin Sammy is not amused

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Shanahan said it best, "We want competition at every position". This is a well calculated move that places the Redskins in a good position for the draft. They now have an experienced backup quarterback under contract for a year. If Sam Bradford drops to #4, Rex Grossman knows the offense and could help bring the kid along and possibly take over if he is slow to develop. Or if the Skins select a tackle at #4, Rex can compete with Jason Campbell for the starting job. Win - win.

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[quote=Lotus;676027]With all of the things that new NFL QB's have to learn, Tebow is going to add learning a new throwing motion and making it so solid that he doesn't revert to old ways under fire. Good luck with that.

I think a more intelligent path for Tebow is to just start prepping to be an H-back now.[/quote]
Careful, he might be a Redskin...Tebow might drop to the second round. I would not be surprised if the Skins select Tebow in the second round if they take a Okung in the first round.

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[quote=Lotus;676027]With all of the things that new NFL QB's have to learn, Tebow is going to add learning a new throwing motion and making it so solid that he doesn't revert to old ways under fire. Good luck with that.

I think a more intelligent path for Tebow is to just start prepping to be an H-back now.[/quote]

H-Back may be where Tebow ends up 3-4 years from now, but H-backs don't get QB money and they don't get drafted in the top 2 rounds of the draft.

The most intelligent path for Tebow right now is to continue his endeavor to be an NFL QB. There's no doubt he'll be drafted at some point before round 3 begins and he'll be drafted as, and sign a contract as, a QB.

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;676065]Careful, he might be a Redskin...Tebow might drop to the second round. I would not be surprised if the Skins select Tebow in the second round if they take a Okung in the first round.[/quote]

might drop? would anyone seriously consider him in the 1st?

to me he's like round 4-5

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;676065]Careful, he might be a Redskin...Tebow might drop to the second round. I would not be surprised if the Skins select Tebow in the second round if they take a Okung in the first round.[/quote]

There should be many good linemen in the second. To use our 2nd rounder on Tebow would be a serious waste of a pick.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;676068]H-Back may be where Tebow ends up 3-4 years from now, but H-backs don't get QB money and they don't get drafted in the top 2 rounds of the draft.

The most intelligent path for Tebow right now is to continue his endeavor to be an NFL QB. There's no doubt he'll be drafted at some point before round 3 begins and he'll be drafted as, and sign a contract as, a QB.[/quote]

I understand your argument. Of course there is the counterargument that, in the long run, the earlier that Tebow embraces a new position, the better chance he has of having a successful career (and nice second contract). If he gives QB a futile try for a couple of years, then tries to get up to speed at a position change, he'll be 30 before he contributes much of anything.

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;676065]Careful, he might be a Redskin...Tebow might drop to the second round. I would not be surprised if the Skins select [B]Tebow in the second round [/B]if they take a Okung in the first round.[/quote]


Puff Puff Pass that's some good Sh*t u smoking LOL

Now you know that's a BIG time Vinny move right there.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;676078]Puff Puff Pass that's some good Sh*t u smoking LOL

Now you know that's a BIG time Vinny move right there.[/quote]


Ha ha ha. I understand the Tebow fanaticism out there but most teams expect their 2nd rounder to start immediately not be a project who might be a QB or an H-back.

The Redskins needs to maximize every pick and I don't think anyone has a clue what Tebow really is right now.

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LOL.......

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/18/grossman-wants-to-start/]Grossman wants to start | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

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Nice source.

Anyways, what player WOULDN'T want to start? I doubt any of them, except maybe Todd Collins actually likes sitting on the bench.

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i read the PFT article, then read where they got their information from (or atleast the espn article they have linked as a source) and PFT took some serious liberties in streching what rex said.

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[quote=Buster;676035]Next up, Terrell Owens.[/quote]

I'd say yes but reports are he wants $5 mill a year. I'd take him for like $2 mill or $2 1/2 mill.

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[quote=over the mountain;676286]i read the PFT article, then read where they got their information from (or atleast the espn article they have linked as a source) and PFT took some serious liberties in streching what rex said.[/quote]

You're surprised? :D

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i dont see how PFT took any liberties with what was in the ESPN article. they both basically said the same thing. what am i missing?

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What story are we talking about? Sorry I'm at work

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[quote=skinsfaninok;676300]What story are we talking about? Sorry I'm at work[/quote]
Rex Grossman pft article.