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skinsfan69 11-27-2011 08:20 PM

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[quote=Bushead;863512]Shanahan has really drafted some excellent talent last year. I hope the trend continues next year.[/quote]

I agree. We need two more drafts like this last one and we're on our way. I just hope they don't get stupid and trade away picks. Keep the picks and make solid choices. I do see light at the end of the tunnel. Nice win today.

skinsfaninok 11-27-2011 08:22 PM

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Yeah Mike and Bruce have done a good job last 2 seasons, it doesn't show with wins but we will be fine once we actually have a QB

sdskinsfan2001 11-27-2011 08:24 PM

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"Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689: If the season ended now we would pick 6th or 7th right? We could still land RGIII or Barkley there."

Yes we still can, I was just meaning that if they aren't available and we pick at we'll say #7 I'd rather just stay there and draft a CB or WR and make solid picks in the rest of the rounds.

I know the team needs O Linemen, but we need them more for depth than a guaranteed starter and I'd wait till the 3rd, 4th, 5th rounds for those positions.

CultBrennan59 11-27-2011 08:28 PM

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Well I'm not gonna lie, I'm pissed that we won, because now we're just that much further from a great player whomever it may be. We need Carolina, Arizona, Minnesota, and Jacksonville to do better, as in win a couple more games. Cleveland too. That will help us draft at 3 at the highest, needless be that its a QB, OL, WR, etc. that we take.


And as for the whole "Should we loose out. No we shouldn't that's bad and dumb," argument, I'm split and see both sides of the argument. But the edge has to go to the 'lose out' fans.

This team isn't going anywhere, and winning now isn't going to make this team become even an 8-8 team next year. As they say "the nfl is a QB driven league." Theres only one position in the league which a team builds around and gameplans around; the QB. The better the QB, the better the team is. You draft the right QB, your team becomes better. You hit on the right QB, a lot of those positions with ? marks by them suddenly disappear, or become less important of a need.

A good amount of people believe the skins were 4-12 at best this year. I suggest you finish at that Redskins.

Bushead 11-27-2011 08:32 PM

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[quote=CultBrennan59;863519]Well I'm not gonna lie, I'm pissed that we won, because now we're just that much further from a great player whomever it may be. We need Carolina, Arizona, Minnesota, and Jacksonville to do better, as in win a couple more games. Cleveland too. That will help us draft at 3 at the highest, needless be that its a QB, OL, WR, etc. that we take.


And as for the whole "Should we loose out. No we shouldn't that's bad and dumb," argument, I'm split and see both sides of the argument. But the edge has to go to the 'lose out' fans.

This team isn't going anywhere, and winning now isn't going to make this team become even an 8-8 team next year. As they say "the nfl is a QB driven league." Theres only one position in the league which a team builds around and gameplans around; the QB. The better the QB, the better the team is. You draft the right QB, your team becomes better. You hit on the right QB, a lot of those positions with ? marks by them suddenly disappear, or become less important of a need.

A good amount of people believe the skins were 4-12 at best this year. I suggest you finish at that Redskins.[/quote]

So we want the redskins to be nasty, dominate team in the future, but they should be taught to lose so we can have better draft position?

Dumb Dumb Dumb.

skinsfaninok 11-27-2011 08:32 PM

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[quote=CultBrennan59;863519]Well I'm not gonna lie, I'm pissed that we won, because now we're just that much further from a great player whomever it may be. We need Carolina, Arizona, Minnesota, and Jacksonville to do better, as in win a couple more games. Cleveland too. That will help us draft at 3 at the highest, needless be that its a QB, OL, WR, etc. that we take.


And as for the whole "Should we loose out. No we shouldn't that's bad and dumb," argument, I'm split and see both sides of the argument. But the edge has to go to the 'lose out' fans.

This team isn't going anywhere, and winning now isn't going to make this team become even an 8-8 team next year. As they say "the nfl is a QB driven league." Theres only one position in the league which a team builds around and gameplans around; the QB. The better the QB, the better the team is. You draft the right QB, your team becomes better. You hit on the right QB, a lot of those positions with ? marks by them suddenly disappear, or become less important of a need.

A good amount of people believe the skins were 4-12 at best this year. I suggest you finish at that Redskins.[/quote]


I still think we can grab a top 5 pick.. Our schedule is hard and I only see 1 maybe 2 more wins.. Carolina will win 2 more but JAX, MIN and CLE wont

hooskins 11-27-2011 08:34 PM

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I am pretty torn on the whole thing. I am happy that we won, but I see how we are hurting ourselves in terms of a draft position. There is something to be said about winning culture, etc. and losing on purpose really doesn't help either. There are many great franchises that continue to get great talent "despite" making it to the playoffs each year. Luck was always out of reach and if we want another QB I think we can always trade up.

I wouldn't have been horribly upset if we lost, however.

Bucket 11-27-2011 08:35 PM

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No.. Losing mentality is something Washington has had for to long.. I think that's why we always end up in close games, missed FG's, turnovers, blocked FG's, terrible kickoffs, etc etc etc.. Its burned into the soul of Washington that mediocre play for part of the game is okay..

We need to stop this crap right now.. Winning is all that matters in the NFL. If you are not winning it doesn't matter. What kind of evaluation as a team do you bring out if you can't win games? It doesn't matter how good you THINK someone is at a position and what you feel is solid on your team if they are not winning games.

skinsfaninok 11-27-2011 08:35 PM

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At this point I just hope for close games and guys to add stats.. Helu, 98-91, FD Etc.

SirClintonPortis 11-27-2011 08:35 PM

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[quote=skinsfaninok;863522]I still think we can grab a top 5 pick.. Our schedule is hard and I only see 1 maybe 2 more wins.. Carolina will win 2 more but JAX, MIN and CLE wont[/quote]

Going 6-10 will easily boot us out of the top 5. We were 6-10 last year and we picked 10th.

SkinzWin 11-27-2011 08:36 PM

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[quote=Big C;863470]skins win! skins win!

if we win out we have a chance to win the division and then we would have a chance to win the super bowl.[/quote]

You rang? Oh, you mean we won the game. You weren't calling me? Wait, we won?!? WOAH. HTTR!

DynamiteRave 11-27-2011 08:36 PM

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Again, I still can't wrap my mind around people who want us to lose. If we lose. Fine. We lost. But throwing games for draft picks? I hope none of you guys ever played team sports/college/semi-pro.

If the Skins organization ever gets the point of where they're so desperate for draft picks and project players, they want their current players to be a bunch of quitters, please notify me so I can immediately leave the bandwagon.

skinsfaninok 11-27-2011 08:36 PM

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;863526]Going 6-10 will easily boot us out of the top 5. We were 6-10 last year and we picked 10th.[/quote]


True but we could move up though..

hooskins 11-27-2011 08:37 PM

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I don't see too many wins for the rest of the year. MIN probably. And we might steal another NFC East win.

skinsfaninok 11-27-2011 08:37 PM

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[quote=DynamiteRave;863528]Again, I still can't wrap my mind around people who want us to lose. If we lose. Fine. We lost. But throwing games for draft picks? I hope none of you guys ever played team sports/college/semi-pro.

If the Skins organization ever gets the point of where they're so desperate for draft picks and project players, they want their current players to be a bunch of quitters, please notify me so I can immediately leave the bandwagon.[/quote]


Yeah I wouldn't want to throw games but I do see everyone's point

skinsfaninok 11-27-2011 08:38 PM

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[quote=hooskins;863532]I don't see too many wins for the rest of the year. MIN probably. And we might steal another NFC East win.[/quote]


I think we beat the Jets and Vikings

Giantone 11-27-2011 08:40 PM

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Congrats to all , nice win at a tuff place !

mooby 11-27-2011 08:42 PM

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[quote=DynamiteRave;863528]Again, I still can't wrap my mind around people who want us to lose. If we lose. Fine. We lost. But throwing games for draft picks? I hope none of you guys ever played team sports/college/semi-pro.

If the Skins organization ever gets the point of where they're so desperate for draft picks and project players, they want their current players to be a bunch of quitters, please notify me so I can immediately leave the bandwagon.[/quote]

This. Since when is it guaranteed that you are assured of a better player the higher you pick in the draft? Good teams use whatever picks they have, high or low, to pick impact players.

SkinzWin 11-27-2011 08:42 PM

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[quote=DynamiteRave;863528]Again, I still can't wrap my mind around people who want us to lose. If we lose. Fine. We lost. [B]But throwing games for draft picks?[/B] I hope none of you guys ever played team sports/college/semi-pro.

If the Skins organization ever gets the point of where they're so desperate for draft picks and project players, they want their current players to be a bunch of quitters, please notify me so I can immediately leave the bandwagon.[/quote]

I agree, this isn't the NBA...

IrMitchell 11-27-2011 08:48 PM

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Honestly we gotta keep things into perspective.. Jay Cutler was drafted in the middle of the first round with Shanahan, history suggests we're ok. Just keep playing to our level and whatever happens happens and we'll roll with it. Honestly the odds are that one of Barkley and RG3 stays and if that's the case they'll be a team ahead of us to grab the other one win or lose.

Keep it positive.

skinsfaninok 11-27-2011 08:49 PM

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[quote=Giantone;863536]Congrats to all , nice win at a tuff place ![/quote]

thanks Giantone

MTK 11-27-2011 08:56 PM

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Good road win. Nice to snap that streak.

CultBrennan59 11-27-2011 09:09 PM

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[quote=Bushead;863521]So we want the redskins to be nasty, dominate team in the future, but they should be taught to lose so we can have better draft position?

Dumb Dumb Dumb.[/quote]

I see your argument, but you don't tell the team to lose. You play the rookies and depend on them a lot more, than the vets. You play more of DHall type vets rather than the London Fletcher type of vets. Thats two ways you get worse now, without telling your team you want them to lose.

SkinzWin 11-27-2011 09:12 PM

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Okay, here is my schedule predictions for the bottom feeder teams for the remainder of the season... (In order from worst team to best)

[B]Indianapolis Colts 0-11[/B]
New England - Loss
@Baltimore - Loss
Tennessee - Loss
Houston - Loss
@Jacksonville - Loss

[B]Minnesota Vikings 2-9[/B]
Denver - Loss
@Detroit - Loss
New Orleans - Loss
@Washington - Loss
Chicago - Loss

[B]St. Louis Rams 2-9[/B]
San Francisco - Loss
@Seattle - Loss
Cincinnati - Loss
@Pittsburgh - Loss
San Francisco - Loss

[B]Carolina Panthers 3-8[/B]
@Tampa Bay - Loss
Atlanta - Loss
@Houston - Loss
Tampa Bay - Win
@New Orleans - Loss

[B]Miami Dolphins 3-8[/B]
Oakland - Loss
Philadelphia - Win
@Buffalo - Win
@New England - Loss
New York Jets - Loss

[B]Jacksonville Jaguars 3-8[/B]
San Diego - Win
Tampa Bay - Loss
@Atlanta - Loss
@Tennessee - Loss
Indianapolis - Win

[B]Washington Redskins 4-7[/B]
New York Jets - Loss
New England - Loss
@New York Giants - Loss
Minnesota - Win
@Philadelphia - Loss
[B]
2012 Projected Draft Order **Note: Draft order subject to change**[/B]
1. Indianapolis Colts 0-16
2. Minnesota Vikings 2-14
3. St. Louis Rams 2-14
4. Carolina Panthers 4-12
5. Miami Dolphins 5-11
6. Washington Redskins 5-11
7. Jacksonville Jaguars 5-11
8. Tampa Bay 6-10
9. Arizona 6-10
10. Kansas City Chiefs 6-10

As Tim Ryan on SiriusXM NFL radio would say, "Talk about it".

MTK 11-27-2011 09:20 PM

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5 or 6 wins sounds about right. We weren't going to lose out sorry folks. We'll still be in line for a good pick.

SirClintonPortis 11-27-2011 09:28 PM

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I actually see 7-9 as a realistic possibility. Not the most probable, but Philly, the Jets, and the Vikings all seem beatable to me.

MTK 11-27-2011 09:31 PM

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;863565]I actually see 7-9 as a realistic possibility. Not the most probable, but Philly, the Jets, and the Vikings all seem beatable to me.[/quote]

Could happen.

skinsfaninok 11-27-2011 09:31 PM

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colts will beat Jax last game and go 1-15

SkinzWin 11-27-2011 09:38 PM

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[quote=skinsfaninok;863567]colts will beat Jax last game and go 1-15[/quote]

False. Misery loves company. Detroit won't be the only oh-fer team in NFL history for long.

CultBrennan59 11-27-2011 09:39 PM

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If Miami drafts before us you can kiss barkley good bye

SkinzWin 11-27-2011 09:40 PM

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;863565]I actually see 7-9 as a realistic possibility. Not the most probable, but Philly, the Jets, and the Vikings all seem beatable to me.[/quote]

I think our 1 win will come from the Vikings. I don't think we will beat the Eagles as I'm sure Vick will be back. I don't see us beating the Jets either. I know they are a streaky team but they have more talent on both sides of the ball than us right now.

SkinzWin 11-27-2011 09:43 PM

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[quote=CultBrennan59;863573]If Miami drafts before us you can kiss barkley good bye[/quote]

I agree. I put us in the middle of the 5-11 teams because it is a coin flip luck of the draw placement anyway. If we do not get pick 1-5 we will most likely have to trade up to get the QB we want, even if it is not to #1 overall, especially if a lot of these QB's stay in college as rumored.

Darrell_Green_28 11-27-2011 09:44 PM

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but if we have the same record as miami , wouldnt we draft ahead of them, since they beat us?

CultBrennan59 11-27-2011 09:50 PM

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[quote=Darrell_Green_28;863576]but if we have the same record as miami , wouldnt we draft ahead of them, since they beat us?[/quote]

I believe you're right.

And I think we're done winning. I think Minnesota will beat us, and we'll finish 4-12. Our main threats to pick a better than us is Arizona and Seattle (now). Had we of lost we probably would have had the #3 overall pick of the year.

CRedskinsRule 11-27-2011 10:09 PM

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[quote=CultBrennan59;863559]I see your argument, but you don't tell the team to lose. You play the rookies and depend on them a lot more, than the vets. You play more of DHall type vets rather than the London Fletcher type of vets. Thats two ways you get worse now, [B]without telling your team you want them to lose.[/B][/quote]
Culture is culture, if the coach sets the team up to lose, then the players will know that. You play to win the game. Anything else is just a dumb plan. Aaron Rodgers was a late 1st, Brady was a 6th. This is just a silly topic that gives fans with a mediocre team something else to complain that the team didn't do right.

SirClintonPortis 11-27-2011 10:10 PM

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[quote=SkinzWin;863574]I think our 1 win will come from the Vikings. I don't think we will beat the Eagles as I'm sure Vick will be back. I don't see us beating the Jets either. I know they are a streaky team but they have more talent on both sides of the ball than us right now.[/quote]

As Sanchez goes, so do the Jets. We rough him up, we have a chance.

We were able to hold Vick's Eagles to 20 points earlier in the season.

Big C 11-27-2011 10:10 PM

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im not worried about draft position right now, id rather see my team winning and ending the season on a high note heading in the right direction. thats what is most important imo.

SBXVII 11-27-2011 10:37 PM

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[quote=Bushead;863521]So we want the redskins to be nasty, dominate team in the future, but they should be taught to lose so we can have better draft position?

Dumb Dumb Dumb.[/quote]

Let me see, you kinda got it yes. See we fans who are thinking draft position are not asking anything more then for them (the team) to do what they've always done in the past. lose.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan who hates the team losing. Not just because I'm depressed but because this city always has a thick cloud over it after a loss.

Am I wrong to hope for a loss, yes. What I'd like to see is this team showing spunk and playing it's games close, showing it can or could win the games, the whole time giving the young guys playing time so they will be ready next year. If we were to win here and there and stay at 5,6, or 7th place in the draft, and do what? take a RT? CB? FS? WR?

If some of you are correct and only two QB's decide to come out then we might or might not get lucky with picking a decent QB. and we will be hard pressed to find a decent QB in the second round on, possible think of Dalton and their probably will be another Dalton entering the draft, but everyone here had him 4th round or beyond and not making it in the NFL.

If the other half of you fans are correct and all decide to come out then yes there will be some 4-5 decent QB's to chose from. Picking the right one for the system is the key. In either situation it's a matter of picking the right one for this scheme. Luck will be gone. No way the Colts give up their #1 pick in which they too desperatly need a QB cause their beloved Manning is on the down side. Their current #2 didn't turn out the way they expected and they had to look elsewhere. They are definitly taking a QB at #1. So out of the remaining which one fits the scheme best? I'm asking which one whether he plays in an NFL system or not which one fits the system best.

This is why I'd prefer we lose cause in the long run it's about how many remain that will be declaring and which ones fit this scheme and what are our chances of getting them.

GTripp0012 11-27-2011 10:45 PM

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[quote=SkinzWin;863561]Okay, here is my schedule predictions for the bottom feeder teams for the remainder of the season... (In order from worst team to best)

[B]Indianapolis Colts 0-11[/B]
New England - Loss
@Baltimore - Loss
Tennessee - Loss
Houston - Loss
@Jacksonville - Loss

[B]Minnesota Vikings 2-9[/B]
Denver - Loss
@Detroit - Loss
New Orleans - Loss
@Washington - Loss
Chicago - Loss

[B]St. Louis Rams 2-9[/B]
San Francisco - Loss
@Seattle - Loss
Cincinnati - Loss
@Pittsburgh - Loss
San Francisco - Loss

[B]Carolina Panthers 3-8[/B]
@Tampa Bay - Loss
Atlanta - Loss
@Houston - Loss
Tampa Bay - Win
@New Orleans - Loss

[B]Miami Dolphins 3-8[/B]
Oakland - Loss
Philadelphia - Win
@Buffalo - Win
@New England - Loss
New York Jets - Loss

[B]Jacksonville Jaguars 3-8[/B]
San Diego - Win
Tampa Bay - Loss
@Atlanta - Loss
@Tennessee - Loss
Indianapolis - Win

[B]Washington Redskins 4-7[/B]
New York Jets - Loss
New England - Loss
@New York Giants - Loss
Minnesota - Win
@Philadelphia - Loss
[B]
2012 Projected Draft Order **Note: Draft order subject to change**[/B]
1. Indianapolis Colts 0-16
2. Minnesota Vikings 2-14
3. St. Louis Rams 2-14
4. Carolina Panthers 4-12
5. Miami Dolphins 5-11
6. Washington Redskins 5-11
7. Jacksonville Jaguars 5-11
8. Tampa Bay 6-10
9. Arizona 6-10
10. Kansas City Chiefs 6-10

As Tim Ryan on SiriusXM NFL radio would say, "Talk about it".[/quote]Minnesota will beat Denver next week. The Rams are absolutely bad enough to lose out. Bradford looks awful. We could end up picking behind the Browns as well. I think Jacksonville will steal two games against that soft schedule. Miami could win more than they lose.

We'll probably pick behind Indianapolis, St. Louis, Carolina, Minnesota and then maybe Arizona, Cleveland, and Jacksonville. So between 5th and 8th.

Chico23231 11-27-2011 10:47 PM

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[quote=Big C;863581]im not worried about draft position right now, id rather see my team winning and ending the season on a high note heading in the right direction. thats what is most important imo.[/quote]

Well put. All I care about is seeing improvement with the young guys and ending the season on a high note. Gotta lotta pride in the locker room and the effort is totally there. There is good opportunity for young guys to get better. Saw it today with Helu, Hankerson was putting it together a couple weeks ago, Banks been better in the return game lately, Barnes playing better in coverage, Mo Hurt getting that experience, Riley turning into that future stater, Terrance Austin not being a worthless POS (oops he still is), but im looking to see who the next guy to step up and play well. Gomes im looking at you.


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