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[quote=redskins5044;1021811]If RG3 is healthy all season this year, Cousins will be traded this offseason, no matter what we can get back. Your right if he doesn't get more playing time this year it probably won't be a 1st rounder.[/quote]Given RG3's injury history, that's doubtful. Besides, we needed Cousins to make the playoffs last season, I don't think we would have beaten Baltimore and Cleveland with Rex or Pat at QB.

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If we're going to keep a read option project type QB then we should just go get Vince Young. He's better than Pat White.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1021821]If we're going to keep a read option project type QB then we should just go get Vince Young. He's better than Pat White.[/quote]

That's not how MS/KS see it.

[QUOTE=The Goat;1021814]We'll have plenty of cap room to retain Cousins beyond 2014/2015 even with a liberal contract.[/QUOTE]

True we would but I don't see him staying if he doesn't have a shot as a starter even if its for more money.

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[quote=redskins5044;1021830]True we would but I don't see him staying if he doesn't have a shot as a starter even if its for more money.[/quote]

Well in that case using a 4th round pick on a late 1st or 2nd round talent, having him win 2 games for us in his rookie season and whatever will happen this year and next, having a guy work hard in the offseason and everyday in practice, and gave the team peace of mind knowing we had a plan B to go if we needed, for a 4th rounders pay, was well worth it.
A backup should never be seen as permanent but rather temporary. It wouldn't be devestating to not be able to trade him, it be nice. Wouldn't we get a compensatory pick anyhow? Is that how it works?

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[quote=redskins5044;1021830]True we would but I don't see him staying if he doesn't have a shot as a starter even if its for more money.[/quote]

Yeah he wants 2 start, he will use the SB ring he WINS here, to leverage more $$$ elsewhere.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/02/raiders-sign-tony-pashos-cut-alex-barron/]Raiders sign Tony Pashos, cut Alex Barron | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Well, heres the Pat White effect for you all..

Didn't want to start a thread but good salary cap news

@MarkMaske: Cofield agreed to reduce his salary from $4.05 million to the minimum $840,000, receiving the remaining $3.21 million in bonus money.

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Well that's good news in case of an emergency. I can't see it being something they use now and whatever money isn't used rolls into 2014 cap dollars.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1021905]Didn't want to start a thread but good salary cap news

@MarkMaske: Cofield agreed to reduce his salary from $4.05 million to the minimum $840,000, receiving the remaining $3.21 million in bonus money.[/quote]

Wow. I wouldn't do that if I was Cofield (because who are we getting on our roster that would require about $3 million in cap space, plus I think he already reduced his salary once), but good for him.

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why not get it up front and guaranteed? his contract isn't big enough (and he's played well enough) that it's not like it's going to force the skins to cut him over this.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/235/redskins-roster-by-the-numbers]Redskins roster by the numbers - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]

No brainer for Cofield.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1021913]Wow. I wouldn't do that if I was Cofield (because who are we getting on our roster that would require about $3 million in cap space, plus I think he already reduced his salary once), but good for him.[/quote]

It is basically emergency money for the season barring injury.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1021902][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/02/raiders-sign-tony-pashos-cut-alex-barron/]Raiders sign Tony Pashos, cut Alex Barron | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Well, heres the Pat White effect for you all..[/quote]

I doubt that Pashos would have been the one guy we kept had we not kept White. Now if Chase or Nick Williams gets signed off our practice squad, then you may have an argument.

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[quote=Mattyk;1021769]I don't think White will be here for very long.[/quote]

2 things I heard on a radio interview today I hadnt thought of
1.They probably kept White to simulate Vick in preparation for the Eagles
2.If he's on the active roster for the first game his salary for the year is guaranteed so he might be cut as soon as Sunday before Eagles game

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1021772]Royster played against bums in Tampa. I'll take helu over him any day[/quote]

Yeah I know it was against bums and i didnt get to see that much of Helu in preseason.The limited time I got to see of both of them I thought Royster looked better,I thought he had more of a burst of speed to get through the hole

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I don't get why we kept pat White maybe Cousins injury is worse the we know.

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[quote=firstdown;1022011]I don't get why we kept pat White maybe Cousins injury is worse the we know.[/quote]

Left-handed speed QB...looks a lot like someone we're playing on 9/9.

I also think they like to reward guys who work hard and get better. Helps players appreciate the staff. Notice we signed only players from our own camp to the PS.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1021683]A good point about PW is that he is a left handed mobile qb. Sounds like someone we are playing on a Monday in September.[/quote]

I think you may have solved this mystery.

Good thinking...I had never considered that. He could simulate Vick in practice.


Other possible explanations:

*We're keeping him to bolster trade value. A player who makes a team may hold more perceived value than one who was cut.

*Would we actually use him in the backfield or at receiver alongside RGIII?

*Kirk's injury is actually serious enough to prevent him from playing early in the season. We keep White rostered AND active on gamedays in case Griffin needs to come out. We keep Grossman inactive like last season. If White needs to step in for a play or two or God forbid the rest of a game, we won't have to switch offensive scheme mid-game...just hands. When Kirk is 100%, he's gone.

*We're planning on trading Kirk sooner than later and we want a backup who can run the read-option. As mentioned, White becomes the in-game replacement and Grossman would be the "next-week" substitute.

*We're holding him for the sole reason of keeping Philly from using him in practice since he knows our offense. We cut him Tuesday morning.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1021902][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/02/raiders-sign-tony-pashos-cut-alex-barron/]Raiders sign Tony Pashos, cut Alex Barron | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Well, heres the Pat White effect for you all..[/quote]


Pashos could start for them.


DeJon Gomes is also a Lion now.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1021905]Didn't want to start a thread but good salary cap news

@MarkMaske: Cofield agreed to reduce his salary from $4.05 million to the minimum $840,000, receiving the remaining $3.21 million in bonus money.[/quote]



Why not sooner when we could have used that cap space for shopping, Barry?

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[quote=firstdown;1022011]I don't get why we kept pat White maybe Cousins injury is worse the we know.[/quote]

I had the same question about Grossman.

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Grossman was always a lock for the #3. White was a surprise but again I don't think he's here for very long. He's a luxury we can afford for now. Cousins is fine.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1022036]I think you may have solved this mystery.

Good thinking...I had never considered that. He could simulate Vick in practice.


Other possible explanations:

*We're keeping him to bolster trade value. A player who makes a team may hold more perceived value than one who was cut.

*Would we actually use him in the backfield or at receiver alongside RGIII?

*Kirk's injury is actually serious enough to prevent him from playing early in the season. We keep White rostered AND active on gamedays in case Griffin needs to come out. We keep Grossman inactive like last season. If White needs to step in for a play or two or God forbid the rest of a game, we won't have to switch offensive scheme mid-game...just hands. When Kirk is 100%, he's gone.

*We're planning on trading Kirk sooner than later and we want a backup who can run the read-option. As mentioned, White becomes the in-game replacement and Grossman would be the "next-week" substitute.

*We're holding him for the sole reason of keeping Philly from using him in practice since he knows our offense. We cut him Tuesday morning.[/quote]

I said the same thing 4 post up :saywhat::)

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@MarkMaske 1m
The Redskins' restructurings of the deals of Barry Cofield, Stephen Bowen and Adam Carriker totaled about $3.7 million in cap savings.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1022038]Why not sooner when we could have used that cap space for shopping, Barry?[/quote]

I wonder if it is a move to go after this guy: [url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000238562/article/jairus-byrd-reportedly-wants-buffalo-bills-to-trade-him]Jairus Byrd reportedly wants Buffalo Bills to trade him - NFL.com[/url]

Wouldn't that be interesting?

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[quote=calia;1022414]I wonder if it is a move to go after this guy: [url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000238562/article/jairus-byrd-reportedly-wants-buffalo-bills-to-trade-him]Jairus Byrd reportedly wants Buffalo Bills to trade him - NFL.com[/url]

Wouldn't that be interesting?[/quote]

[url=http://sonofwashington.com/2013/09/05/could-the-redskins-pursue-a-trade-for-jarius-byrd/]Could the Redskins pursue a trade for Jarius Byrd? - Son of Washington[/url]

Just another story to add to yours.

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[url=http://realredskins.com/2013/09/05/need-to-know-redskins-restructure-money-already-spent/]Need to Know: Redskins’ restructure money already spent | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]

The Redskins restructured the contracts of Stephen Bowen, Adam Carriker, and Barry Cofield in recent days to create some cap room. But don’t get excited about the prospects of them going after a free agent. As Bruce Allen indicated during training camp, the Redskins are restructuring deals just to be able to stay under the salary cap. During the offseason only the top 51 contracts count towards the cap. Once the season starts, the contracts of all 53 active players plus players on PUP and injured reserve and the practice squad count towards. The Redskins had some trimming to do to get in compliance with the cap and to give themselves some cushion during the season. In short, the savings from the restructures are already spent.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1022038]Why not sooner when we could have used that cap space for shopping, Barry?[/quote]

Well, they got guys like Barnett clearly out of necessity. And Gumbs is just some sort of fluke/miracle. But you can tell especially by looking at the practice squad roster, and from comments MS has made this summer, that they were keen on going with and rewarding the guys who have been practicing with them all spring and summer.

It's also possible they never asked Cofield or Bowen before now.

It's also possible that they needed the money at this point because with the season starting roster bonuses are probably kicking in

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And finally you always want to give your team an in-season cushion to be able to make moves during the season

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I always assumed that BA had some restructures and/or extensions in his back pocket, but why use them early then need new plans.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1022429]I always assumed that BA had some restructures and/or extensions in his back pocket, but why use them early then need new plans.[/quote]

I guess the other possibility is an Orakpo extension

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[quote=SmootSmack;1022430]I guess the other possibility is an Orakpo extension[/quote]

I really wouldn't have been shocked to see either a TW or Orakpo extension instead of the Bowen/Cofield/Carriker move. But Bowen and Carriker both seem like solid moves to me. Whatever gets us through the season...

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1022421][url=http://sonofwashington.com/2013/09/05/could-the-redskins-pursue-a-trade-for-jarius-byrd/]Could the Redskins pursue a trade for Jarius Byrd? - Son of Washington[/url]

Just another story to add to yours.[/quote]

Too much to give up to get him. Doubt it happens unless he and the BIlls both becomes desperate.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1022429]I always assumed that BA had some restructures and/or extensions in his back pocket, but why use them early then need new plans.[/quote]

Yup. And that is the smart way to go. Wait until we have a week one roster (and hence a firm salary cap number) and then do the restructures necessary to make it all work.

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byrd wants a crazy big new deal too. we don't have the money and while he's a great player, if we did have the money, safety isn't where i'd be spending it with rak needing a new deal and right tackle still weak.