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[quote=724Skinsfan;1048328]After listening to the presser today, I'm okay with shutting him down. We're not playing for anything right now (Pride left 3 weeks ago...). An injury to RGIII would be exponentially worse than missing game time reps in these last 3 weeks. I think if Shanny were doing a "F*ck you!" to the Redskins (Snyder) then I think he would actually leave RGIII out there and not give a crap if he got hurt. If the organization truly believes that RGIII is the future then why chance it all on three meaningless games? This season is totally gone for RGIII. I kind of wonder though why not sit him against the Chiefs, but whatever. I highly doubt this "benching" is going to have any long term psychological consequences for him.[/quote]

Might actually light a fire under his butt to work extra hard in the off season to correct what he's doing wrong and get back to fundamentals. RG3 worked with a QB training coach prior to the draft to work on NFL fundamentals. That coach came out and said the RG3 we all saw in the last game is not the RG3 he coached up and trained. He saw no fundamentals he gave RG3. That tells me alot.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1048403]I think there are two groups of people in favor of this when it all comes down to it.


A) Fans that want to baby Robert and treat him as if he's some porcelain vase.



B) Fans that wanted RGIII benched due to this play and wanted to see Kirk in.[/quote]

I am B, but Shanahan has his own category for his reasoning.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/59561/robert-griffin-iii-off-to-a-good-start]Robert Griffin III off to a good start - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=NC_Skins;1048403]I think there are two groups of people in favor of this when it all comes down to it.


A) Fans that want to baby Robert and treat him as if he's some porcelain vase.



B) Fans that wanted RGIII benched due to this play and wanted to see Kirk in.[/quote]

I'm in group C) People who like RG3 and Cousins and think things are so crazy with the organization, so F it, do whatever because its not like we're going to win anyway.

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[url=http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/12/robert-griffin-iii-mike-shanahan-benching-john-madden-washington-redskins/]John Madden calls RG3′s benching ‘baloney’ | For The Win[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;1048411][url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/59561/robert-griffin-iii-off-to-a-good-start]Robert Griffin III off to a good start - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url][/quote]

100%. Good write up.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1048413][url=http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/12/robert-griffin-iii-mike-shanahan-benching-john-madden-washington-redskins/]John Madden calls RG3′s benching ‘baloney’ | For The Win[/url][/QUOTE]

Come on what does this guy know about football? Shanny obviously only has the best interest of the future of this franchise in mind. That is evident based on the three people left on this board who have offered up intriguing "what if" arguments to shed light on this fact.....

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[quote=mattyk;1048413][url=http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/12/robert-griffin-iii-mike-shanahan-benching-john-madden-washington-redskins/]john madden calls rg3′s benching ‘baloney’ | for the win[/url][/quote]

boom!

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[quote=punch it in;1048416]Come on what does this guy know about football? Shanny obviously only has the best interest of the future of this franchise in mind. That is evident based on the three people left on this board who have offered up intriguing "what if" arguments to shed light on this fact.....[/quote]

:laughing2

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[quote=punch it in;1048416]Come on what does this guy know about football? Shanny obviously only has the best interest of the future of this franchise in mind. That is evident based on the three people left on this board who have offered up intriguing "what if" arguments to shed light on this fact.....[/quote]

What if Shanny is under a mind control device controlled by Xenu from his space ship and Kyle is secretly his handler and that's why Tom Cruise is always at home games and what if RG3 is a spy meant to sabotage Shanny and he's been throwing games because once Shanny goes full blown lobster the experiment is complete and then Cousins comes in and takes a sample of his lobster skin and Cousins and RG3 hops onto Alfmo's back and rides off into the sunset. Washington DC has been saved from lobster man and his Xenu handler.

The end.

(Moral of the story is: these what if theories are ridiculous. yay)

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[quote=SBXVII;1048405]Well, in hind sight most everyone here would say RG3 should not have started atleast until the bye week maybe longer. Anyone who says RG3 is 100% is a fool, cause if he is tell him to take the brace off it's slowing him down.

I also think that if your looking at your sports car in the driveway and your pick up truck and your trying to decide which to drive and you now your route will have you driving on a dirt road with ruts in it and pot holes most of us would probably take the truck just so we wouldn't damage the suspension of the sports car. Prior to last weeks game just about everyone was saying bench RG3 and let him stay healthy and not get hurt especially since the OL sucks so bad. MS said "no RG3 needs all the reps he can get." Which is true, but something changed his mind...maybe DS said bench him so he's healthy next year, maybe it was MS with facing losing his job said let me play Cousins these last 3 games to show you its RG3 and he's not making good decisions.

If MS can prove that then maybe DS keeps MS the final year and lets the coaching staff work all off season with RG3 to develop him and if he still isn't getting it they can start Cousins next year. Worst case scenario Cousins bombs also and MS is fired.[/quote]

I say bench RGIII until he stops throwing off his back leg. His mechanics have been all screwed up this season.

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I went back and watched the Shanny presser and after getting through the gazillion "hows your relationship with the ower" and "where are the leaks coming from" I noticed around the 21 min. mark MS is asked about RG3's feelings and how he's handling it and MS says "as I said we will sit down and make a decision and go from there.[B] We'll sit down with the QB's and decided which direction we want to go in.[/B]"

This last bit made me wonder if he's referring to sitting down in the off season and deciding if they want to continue with RG3 and the read option type of plays or go in a totally different direction with Cousins. I know you guys will tell me I'm reading too much into it. and perhaps he was referring to after the last game but I thought the question was about RG3 and his feelings and MS says nothing about the feelings and says something close to what I put above.

[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;1048421]What if Shanny is under a mind control device controlled by Xenu from his space ship and Kyle is secretly his handler and that's why Tom Cruise is always at home games and what if RG3 is a spy meant to sabotage Shanny and he's been throwing games because once Shanny goes full blown lobster the experiment is complete and then Cousins comes in and takes a sample of his lobster skin and Cousins and RG3 hops onto Alfmo's back and rides off into the sunset. Washington DC has been saved from lobster man and his Xenu handler.

The end.

(Moral of the story is: these what if theories are ridiculous. yay)[/QUOTE]

I just LOL'd at my desk. A sample of his lobster skin......classic!

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All of this nonsense could have easily been avoided. All Shanny had to say was that he was going with Cousins because we've been losing and he is hoping that Cousins can spark the team. There would have been no harm in Shanny admitting that RGIII has not played well; that much is obvious. So, the stated reason for sitting RGIII would be poor performance.

Shanny did not need make RGIII inactive. He could have simply resolved not to play him for the rest of the season and kept that decision to himself.

I suppose that plan was just too simple to suit the devious career machinations of all the parties involved. It's this last part that makes the Redskins franchise a joke.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1048436]All of this nonsense could have easily been avoided. All Shanny had to say was that he was going with Cousins because we've been losing and he is hoping that Cousins can spark the team. There would have been no harm in Shanny admitting that RGIII has not played well; that much is obvious. So, the stated reason for sitting RGIII would be poor performance.

Shanny did not need make RGIII inactive. He could have simply resolved not to play him for the rest of the season and kept that decision to himself.

I suppose that plan was just too simple to suit the devious career machinations of all the parties involved. It's this last part that makes the Redskins franchise a joke.[/quote]

Exactly right. The explained reasons by the coaching staff is why the Skins continue to be one of the worst franchises in the NFL

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1048035]RG3 to Mike , Kyle , Cousins and media.

" kiss my ass , kiss his ass , kiss your ass , happy Hanukkah"[/quote]


I'm feeling more like:

[yt]afbLb8A6oSE[/yt]

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This is a brilliant move, it should have been done in September!

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1048436]All of [B]this nonsense could have easily been avoided. All Shanny had to say was that he was going with Cousins because we've been losing and he is hoping that Cousins can spark the team. There would have been no harm in Shanny admitting that RGIII has not played well; that much is obvious. So, the stated reason for sitting RGIII would be poor performance.[/B]

Shanny did not need make RGIII inactive. He could have simply resolved not to play him for the rest of the season and kept that decision to himself.

I suppose that plan was just too simple to suit the devious career machinations of all the parties involved. It's this last part that makes the Redskins franchise a joke.[/quote]

I think he didn't want to further hurt his pride and ego, although de-activating him pretty much does that. The Shanahan's like Cousins, had a 1st round grade on him and probably think he's the better fit to run their offense. If Cousins plays well, he's not going anywhere and RG3 might be the one that's dangled out there as trade bait.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1048436]All of this nonsense could have easily been avoided. All Shanny had to say was that he was going with Cousins because we've been losing and he is hoping that Cousins can spark the team. There would have been no harm in Shanny admitting that RGIII has not played well; that much is obvious. So, the stated reason for sitting RGIII would be poor performance.

Shanny did not need make RGIII inactive. He could have simply resolved not to play him for the rest of the season and kept that decision to himself.

I suppose that plan was just too simple to suit the devious career machinations of all the parties involved. It's this last part that makes the Redskins franchise a joke.[/quote]

I agree with you. Sometimes I think MS is terrible at interviews and the other half I think he's trying to give so much disinformation to not give his opponent any info.

Also keep in mind this team was, supposedly and I don't know how the math works out, but still in the game for the play offs (even though most of us would say they don't look like a play off team). So I guess it was smart to continue playing RG3 up until the team was completely eliminated from the play off picture. Which is what happened last weekend. Now Cousins starts.

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We were officially out of the playoff race after the Giants game. Should have started Cousins last week using that logic.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1048448]I think he didn't want to further hurt his pride and ego, although de-activating him pretty much does that. The Shanahan's like Cousins, had a 1st round grade on him and probably think he's the better fit to run their offense. If Cousins plays well, he's not going anywhere and RG3 might be the one that's dangled out there as trade bait.[/quote]

OMG. Ok, I'm thinking along those lines, but god you can't say that here. These fans who believe he's the next god will eat you alive. tisk, tisk. ;)

As I said before, I think the only reason we had success last year was the coaches changed the offense to be more like Baylor's just for RG3 so he was not called a bust his first year. Now they want to get back to their style of offense (which quite a few fans here should be happy cause they kept saying the college read option was going to go no where). Maybe Cousins fits MS's style of offense better then RG3 does but they were hoping RG3 and all his abilities would pan out for them. < and he still might but they have to do some developing in the off season and hope he's a quick study.

I've noticed Adam schefter hasn't said one negative about Mike lol

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[quote=Mattyk;1048451]We were officially out of the playoff race after the Giants game. Should have started Cousins last week using that logic.[/quote]

Maybe, I thought I had heard that after the Chiefs game the local news said "now the team is completely eliminated." Could be wrong though.

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[quote=SouperMeister;1048291]So is Jordan Reed shut down for the rest of the year too? I came into this year hoping to see Reed get on the field with Fred Davis, but then Reed emerged and Davis got in Shanny's dog house.[/quote]


Doesn't matter but I did not see it mentioned...Royster on IR now and we promoted Jawan Jamison to the 53.

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[quote=SBXVII;1048455]Maybe, I thought I had heard that after the Chiefs game the local news said "now the team is completely eliminated." Could be wrong though.[/quote]

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/12/02/redskins-officially-eliminated-from-playoff-contention/]Redskins officially eliminated from playoff contention[/url]

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Does McNabb realize everytime he opens his mouth he's embarrassing himself? He acts like he was a victim of the Shanahans and tries every opportunity to get his digs in when in reality he sucked. The Eagles knew it and dumped him, the Skins were stupid to pick him up but did and learned how much he sucked. He moves on to the Vikings and continued to suck.

I'm embarrassed for him for opening his mouth and acting like his whole situation was something other then HE SUCKED.

[url=http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/donovan_mcnabb_blasts_mike_shanahan_for_rgiii_benching/15291761?linksrc=story_team_washington_redskins_auto_module_head_15291761]Donovan McNabb blasts Mike Shanahan for RGIII benching[/url]

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[quote=SBXVII;1048462]Does McNabb realize everytime he opens his mouth he's embarrassing himself? He acts like he was a victim of the Shanahans and tries every opportunity to get his digs in when in reality he sucked. The Eagles knew it and dumped him, the Skins were stupid to pick him up but did and learned how much he sucked. He moves on to the Vikings and continued to suck.

I'm embarrassed for him for opening his mouth and acting like his whole situation was something other then HE SUCKED.

[url=http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/donovan_mcnabb_blasts_mike_shanahan_for_rgiii_benching/15291761?linksrc=story_team_washington_redskins_auto_module_head_15291761]Donovan McNabb blasts Mike Shanahan for RGIII benching[/url][/quote]


RG3 is the new McNabb same situation. Kyle and Mike blaming the QB for their lack of offense, defense or special teams. McNabb sucked but he was still better than Grossman.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1048436]All of this nonsense could have easily been avoided. All Shanny had to say was that he was going with Cousins because we've been losing and he is hoping that [B]Cousins can spark the team.[/B] There would have been no harm in Shanny admitting that RGIII has not played well; that much is obvious. So, the stated reason for sitting RGIII would be poor performance.

Shanny did not need make RGIII inactive. He could have simply resolved not to play him for the rest of the season and kept that decision to himself.

I suppose that plan was just too simple to suit the devious career machinations of all the parties involved. It's this last part that makes the Redskins franchise a joke.[/quote]

That would have made good reason 3 to 5 games back but why would he try to spark the team after we are out of the playoffs?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1048454]I've noticed Adam schefter hasn't said one negative about Mike lol[/quote]

He never does. He might still believe he should stay.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1048466]RG3 is the new McNabb same situation. Kyle and Mike blaming the QB for their lack of offense, defense or special teams. McNabb sucked but he was still better than Grossman.[/quote]

I don't think I have heard either of them blame RGIII for the lack of production.

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[quote=donofriose;1048469]He never does. He might still believe he should stay.[/quote]

I guess that makes two people then - him and Mike Shanahan himself.

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[quote=SBXVII;1048453]OMG. Ok, I'm thinking along those lines, but god you can't say that here. These fans who believe he's the next god will eat you alive. tisk, tisk. ;)

As I said before, I think the only reason we had success last year was the coaches changed the offense to be more like Baylor's just for RG3 so he was not called a bust his first year. Now they want to get back to their style of offense (which quite a few fans here should be happy cause they kept saying the college read option was going to go no where). Maybe Cousins fits MS's style of offense better then RG3 does but they were hoping RG3 and all his abilities would pan out for them. < and he still might but they have to do some developing in the off season and hope he's a quick study.[/quote]

Why change a system that got you to the playoffs, if it ain't broke don't fix it. That would mean Shannhan is an idiot if he arbitrarily changed the offense. Illogical, damn it Jim I'm a phaser technician not a nursing assistant.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1048448]I think he didn't want to further hurt his pride and ego, although de-activating him pretty much does that. [B]The Shanahan's like Cousins, had a 1st round grade on him [/B]and probably think he's the better fit to run their offense. If Cousins plays well, he's not going anywhere and RG3 might be the one that's dangled out there as trade bait.[/quote]

Not sure if I should be excited about this or not. On one hand if they valued him that much perhaps he has some success, on the other hand I have seen the Shanahans' recent evaluation of QB talent and it is worrisome.

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[quote=Drago;1048447]This is a brilliant move, it should have been done in September![/quote]

Kinda playing it fast and loose with the word "brilliant" there are we?

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Did anyone else consider the possibility that Shanahan just forgot that the the rams have our 1st round pick? Maybe he's tanking on purpose for a great draft pick.

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Shanahan: The career ender

[url=http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/redskins/2013/12/11/washington-redskins-robert-griffin-iii-rg3-mike-shanahan-jake-plummer/3993605/]Former Mike Shanahan pupil Jake Plummer feels for RG3[/url]

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1048490]Shanahan: The career ender

[url=http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/redskins/2013/12/11/washington-redskins-robert-griffin-iii-rg3-mike-shanahan-jake-plummer/3993605/]Former Mike Shanahan pupil Jake Plummer feels for RG3[/url][/quote]

Surprising he doesn't rip him that bad

"Mike definitely rubbed me the wrong way in some ways. Also, he did some great things in resurrecting my career. Overall, I was grateful to be coached by him. But I was a square peg in a round hole. I didn't fit what he really wanted me to be, and he moved on to somebody else.''

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1048479]Why change a system that got you to the playoffs, if it ain't broke don't fix it. That would mean Shannhan is an idiot if he arbitrarily changed the offense. Illogical, damn it Jim I'm a phaser technician not a nursing assistant.[/quote]

I'll try to spell it out for you a little better... don't look at the situation now and wonder what the hell they were thinking... look at it from their perspective at the time...

RG3 gets drafted and they have high hopes, he shows up in June or later and essentially he has 2 1/2 months if that to prepare for the season. You know learn the plays. He shows up and either doesn't know the plays that well or is having trouble running them, ie; all the fundamentals a normal QB should already know but needs a little tweaking like footwork, back peddle, reading defenses, how to hand the ball off, etc. etc. Knowing they won't fix stupid in time they decide to incorporate not just some but a lot of the "read option" spread that RG3 already knows. Maybe they asked him for several plays he liked. The year goes by rather well except for one glitch and thats RG3's injury. Perhaps they hoped RG3 would be around the off season between year 1 and year 2 so they could work with him on all the basic fundamentals but he stayed in Florida rehabbing his knee.

Year two we are looking at an RG3 who is limited due to injury and the brace. He does not have the speed he did in year one so now it's time to tweak the offense yet again. Maybe make him more of a pocket passer and try to get the protection around him. However if he has to run he can.

I think they tweaked it to be more of what MS runs as a scheme simply to protect RG3 from running so much. So this whole second year was a huge learning curve for RG3. Yeah he did some nice things but he still has a lot to learn. and when under pressure he forgets all about fundamentals.

Now we are at the end of the season, gossip everywhere, not getting into the play offs, the field is messy, so there is no need to let RG3 get hurt taking a pounding or while running on the messy field. Cue Cousins here. Someone who is not an option QB but can run a little of it but is more of a pocket passer. Exactly what MS needs for "his" system to work.

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[quote=SBXVII;1048495][B]Knowing they won't fix stupid in time[/B]...[/quote]


[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]If this long, repetitive diatribe had a point, I missed it because I stopped reading after this comment. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]There are plenty of things that Griffin can be criticized for, but being too stupid to play the position isn't one of them. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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4 years in and we're still calling this Mike's offense?