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Panthers signed Seastrunk to their practice squad. No link, I'm mobile.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1083565]That's what we need. A crooked politician in the straighten things out. :doh:



[/quote]

Hmm....

I thought Rice was well respected on both sides of the aisle. Guess I was wrong.

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[url=http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2014/09/16/nfl-anheuser-busch-sponsor-domestic-abuse-sponsor/15726217/]Anheuser-Busch: Deep concern of NFL handling of abuse cases[/url]

This is where the big problems start with the NFL and Goodell leadership

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[quote=Chico23231;1083617][url=http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2014/09/16/nfl-anheuser-busch-sponsor-domestic-abuse-sponsor/15726217/]Anheuser-Busch: Deep concern of NFL handling of abuse cases[/url]

This is where the big problems start with the NFL and Goodell leadership[/quote]

If the ball was mildly rolling before, it's definitely picking up steam now. The chain has started. Gotta wonder how long it'll be before we see the Vikes do an about-face and announce AD is gonna take some time off again.

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Looks like Yahoo finally removed Peterson from the Can't Cut List.

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[quote=Chico23231;1083617][url=http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2014/09/16/nfl-anheuser-busch-sponsor-domestic-abuse-sponsor/15726217/]Anheuser-Busch: Deep concern of NFL handling of abuse cases[/url]

This is where the big problems start with the NFL and Goodell leadership[/quote]



So how do the NBA , MLB , MLS , Pro Golf ,NHL , how do these groups handle the same problems ?

The problem starts with society , not the NFL or Roger Goodell .

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1083611]Panthers signed Seastrunk to their practice squad. No link, I'm mobile.[/quote]

I think it's safe to say the coaches made the right call in keeping Redd over this guy.

[quote=tshile;1083621]Looks like Yahoo finally removed Peterson from the Can't Cut List.[/quote]

Man, if the Vikings end up cutting him(in real life) because of child abuse, that'll be a huge stain on his all-time great resume. I wonder if the public noise would ever get to the point where he would actually be banned from the Hall? Off-field actions aren't supposed to play a part in the voting, but if the public outcry gets bad enough, who knows?

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1083611]Panthers signed Seastrunk to their practice squad. No link, I'm mobile.[/quote]

I still think that we should have kept Redd and Seastrunk. Oh well, boo hoo for me.

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[quote=Chico23231;1083602]But good god, how could anybody defend blantent child abuse? [/quote]

The same way PSU fans defended (and still do) Joe Paterno. These people don't give two fucks about child abuse unless it impacts their own family. In fact, chances are they don't give a fuck about anything unless it's about them. It's the "ME" generation and our politicians are leading the way.

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[quote=Giantone;1083624]So how do the NBA , MLB , MLS , Pro Golf ,NHL , how do these groups handle the same problems ?

The problem starts with society , not the NFL or Roger Goodell .[/quote]

I almost hate to say it but for the most part it seems to be a much more common problem in the NFL. Most likely from sheer numbers seeing as how you have ~60 players under contract at any given time on 32 teams. Compare that to a league like the NBA where you have 15 players per team on 29 squads.

As far as the NBA is concerned their most high profile case right now is Greg Oden who hasn't seemed to have been formerly suspended but by the same token hasn't been signed by anyone so take that for what its worth. Though it should be mentioned that Oden admitted to punching his victim to police. So we'le see how that goes.
[URL="http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11534014/judge-grants-greg-oden-delay-domestic-violence-case"]Judge grants Greg Oden delay in domestic violence case - ESPN[/URL] [quote]
In the arrest report, Oden told police he had "punched her in the face" during an argument that had "gotten out of control."[/quote]The NHL's poster child for this dometic violence crusade is none other than former Cap Varlamov whose case seems to fall in that Big Ben category of something happened but we're not entirely sure what the hell it was.
[URL="http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_24767438/semyon-varlamov-avalanche-goalie-sees-charges-against-him"]Semyon Varlamov, Avalanche goalie, sees charges against him dropped - The Denver Post[/URL]

Regardless its a cluster. Being called a wife beater or child abuser is among the worst labels you can assign to a human being. Its just below the next tier of rapist and pedophile. So on one hand it shouldn't be taken lightly. However the NFL hasn't exactly shown urgency when dealing with clear cut evidence. For example:

-Rice admitted to punching his fiance even before the tape was released to the public.

- Greg Hardy who was found guilty of assault back in July, has yet to be disciplined by the league.

- Peterson has admitted to striking his child and photos of the aftermath regarding the childs injuries have been released.

In short forget the cases within the he said-she said Bermuda triangle. We're talking about inaction on cases with clear cut evidence that have not been dealt with by the league in a timely manner. If the league can't handle the lay ups, how can they be expected to handle the more complicated cases?

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[quote=NC_Skins;1083630]The same way PSU fans defended (and still do) Joe Paterno. These people don't give two fucks about child abuse unless it impacts their own family. In fact, chances are they don't give a fuck about anything unless it's about them. It's the "ME" generation and our politicians are leading the way.[/quote]


Pretty big assumption on your part .

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[quote=tshile;1083614]Hmm....

I thought Rice was well respected on both sides of the aisle. Guess I was wrong.[/quote]

So she has respect among a bunch of crooks. That's even worse.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;1083632]
In short forget the cases within the he said-she said Bermuda triangle. We're talking about inaction on cases with clear cut evidence that have not been dealt with by the league in a timely manner. If the league can't handle the lay ups, how can they be expected to handle the more complicated cases?[/quote]


Agreed ,the players who have been convicted no question ,the NFL and the teams should take action and be consistent with that action .

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[quote=Giantone;1083633]Pretty big assumption on your part .[/quote]

It's pretty evident by their actions. No assumptions are needed.

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Is the % of crime any different then the rest of society? Anyone turning off football?

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I'd like to know what percentage of all Punts and active Kick Off plays have penalties on them. I'd set the over and under at 70%.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1083634]So she has respect among a bunch of crooks. That's even worse.[/quote]

I mean people in general.

But OK.

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[quote=Giantone;1083635]Agreed ,the players who have been convicted no question ,the NFL and the teams should take action and be consistent with that action .[/quote]

Hah, that's not good enough these days.

Everyone wants the Court of Public Opinion to reign supreme.

That is... as long as The Court isn't focused on you and your own...

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[quote=NC_Skins;1083630]The same way PSU fans defended (and still do) Joe Paterno. These people don't give two fucks about child abuse unless it impacts their own family. In fact, chances are they don't give a fuck about anything unless it's about them. It's the "ME" generation and our politicians are leading the way.[/quote]

Yup.

Everyone's quick to click like on facebook and retweet on twitter. Because it's easy.

Actually standing by your own morals is much harder.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1083630]The same way PSU fans defended (and still do) Joe Paterno. These people don't give two fucks about child abuse unless it impacts their own family. In fact, chances are they don't give a fuck about anything unless it's about them. It's the "ME" generation and our politicians are leading the way.[/quote]

It's not just the fans... the NCAA quietly lifted most of the sanctions again PSU the day after the Peterson stuff broke. Good timing on their part.

As much as everyone crows about the importance of morals, few seem to actually stand by them. Especially when money is involved.

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[quote=tshile;1083645]It's not just the fans... the NCAA quietly lifted most of the sanctions again PSU the day after the Peterson stuff broke. Good timing on their part.

As much as everyone crows about the importance of morals, few seem to actually stand by them. [B]Especially when money is involved[/B].[/quote]

Thats the sickest part. So many organizations seem to withhold taking basic action until they start to look at moral issues as business decisions. Does XYZ corporation really support gay rights, sure so long as it helps the bottom line and protects us from litigation. Really you guys can't decide to do that without thinking about cash flows and income statements? Do we really need a chart to decide what to do?

You would think that the perps being protected in these situations were on the verge of curing AID's or Cancer. Like if we could just hold off for a little bit on exposing Sir Rapes-a-lot we can save all these people.

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[QUOTE=Evilgrin;1083639]Is the % of crime any different then the rest of society? Anyone turning off football?[/QUOTE]


Glad somebody mentioned this. To say the NFL has a domestic abuse/child abuse problem sounds silly. Society has one. I know we have to bring the nfl into the conversation as far as what their stance is, etc. However some people (not necessarily on the WP) make it seem like their is a genetic link between football players and abuse?!?

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag59;1083647]Thats the sickest part. So many organizations seem to withhold taking basic action until they start to look at moral issues as business decisions. Does XYZ corporation really support gay rights, sure so long as it helps the bottom line and protects us from litigation. Really you guys can't decide to do that without thinking about cash flows and income statements? Do we really need a chart to decide what to do?

You would think that the perps being protected in these situations were on the verge of curing AID's or Cancer. Like if we could just hold off for a little bit on exposing Sir Rapes-a-lot we can save all these people.[/QUOTE]

Well, believe it or not, there's quite a few people that think pandering the Court of Public Opinion is dangerous and not wise. That it in itself leads to being placed in sticky situations.

Our beloved team isn't without its own controversial issues and list of players that have done a variety of morally outrageous things from DUIs to accusations of abuse. Hell, we picked up a guy that went to jail for killing someone while driving drunk.

We picked up Larry Johnson after four arrests for domestic violence. While it was something many mentioned, again it wasn't something that caused outrage...

Fred Davis had issues while on the team.

I'm sure there's plenty more.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/09/16/redskins-and-broncos-fans-start-separate-petitions-to-ban-phil-simms-from-calling-games/]Redskins and Broncos fans start separate petitions to ban Phil Simms from calling games - The Washington Post[/url]

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[B][SIZE="3"]@APkrawczynski

An eye-opening development: Nike stores in Twin Cities have pulled all Adrian Peterson merch from shelves. Nike.[/SIZE][/B]



So you're already looking at 3 sponsors making moves or making statements. That's a surefire way to get the NFL's attention.


The irony here is that Nike doesn't support child abuse, yet they support exploiting children in 3rd world countries that work in bad conditions for low pay.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1083658][B][SIZE="3"]@APkrawczynski

An eye-opening development: Nike stores in Twin Cities have pulled all Adrian Peterson merch from shelves. Nike.[/SIZE][/B]



So you're already looking at 3 sponsors making moves or making statements. That's a surefire way to get the NFL's attention.


[B]The irony here is that Nike doesn't support child abuse, yet they support exploiting children in 3rd world countries that work in bad conditions for low pay[/B].[/quote]

This ties in to the Ray Rice video and the Adrian Peterson texts. If it is out of our eye sight we tend not to be able to visualize it properly.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1083658][B][SIZE="3"]@APkrawczynski

An eye-opening development: Nike stores in Twin Cities have pulled all Adrian Peterson merch from shelves. Nike.[/SIZE][/B]



So you're already looking at 3 sponsors making moves or making statements. That's a surefire way to get the NFL's attention.


The irony here is that Nike doesn't support child abuse, yet they support exploiting children in 3rd world countries that work in bad conditions for low pay.[/quote]

Pretty sad, it seems to be in the manual of business 101. They don't care unless we care, and then only if the moral outrage costs them money. If nobody cares, it's business as usual. Dollar above all. And then, when they do get caught, the apology isn't,"oh man, we've learned the error of our ways." It's, "oh man, we're sorry we got caught."

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[quote=tshile;1083643]Hah, that's not good enough these days.

Everyone wants the Court of Public Opinion to reign supreme.

That is... as long as The Court isn't focused on you and your own...[/quote]Leaving Ray Rice out for just a min . Lets do some what if's ,what if some of the accusations thrown at some of these stars aren't true ? You make 11 million a year and a women says he hit me or an ex ......and many of you who have them have bitch about them for lying ,an ex says he abused my child ,and then find our months hell maybe even a year or two later it's not true , what then ?I ask because I know of a case similar and before the others jump me , NO I don,t believe in hitting kids or women and the ones that do should be fully prosecuted ,period .What if the accusations are not true ?

[QUOTE=Giantone;1083700]Leaving Ray Rice out for just a min . Lets do some what if's ,what if some of the accusations thrown at some of these stars aren't true ? You make 11 million a year and a women says he hit me or an ex ......and many of you who have them have bitch about them for lying ,an ex says he abused my child ,and then find our months hell maybe even a year or two later it's not true , what then ?I ask because I know of a case similar and before the others jump me , NO I don,t believe in hitting kids or women and the ones that do should be fully prosecuted ,period .What if the accusations are not true ?[/QUOTE]
I think the money gives the victim more reason to hide the abuse than to falsely accuse a NFL player. Especially now that careers are at stake. A silent victim can receive a lot of compensatory pay but if the accused suddenly has no income then what does a fake victim gain?

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[URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11541346/adrian-peterson-barred-all-minnesota-vikings-activities"]180 Central: AP taking leave of absence until legal issues resolved[/URL]

Well that didn't take long.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1083704][URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11541346/adrian-peterson-barred-all-minnesota-vikings-activities"]180 Central: AP taking leave of absence until legal issues resolved[/URL]



Well that didn't take long.[/QUOTE]


Still a trash organization for not making the decision on their own. I mean now they are basically saying "we didnt think child abuse outweighed winning and losing, but we do think that it outweighs losing money". Hogwash. No offense Hog1.

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[quote=mooby;1083704][URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11541346/adrian-peterson-barred-all-minnesota-vikings-activities"]180 Central: AP taking leave of absence until legal issues resolved[/URL]

Well that didn't take long.[/quote]



Vikes are a bunch of morons. Rather yet, Ziggy Wilf is a moron. That said, I wonder if Bob Costas is going to get on his soap box about these issues like he did the Redskins name?

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I still think the Vikings are handling this situation better than the Ravens handled Ray Rice. I'm not saying they're doing a good job, but more like the lesser of two evils.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1083744]I still think the Vikings are handling this situation better than the Ravens handled Ray Rice. I'm not saying they're doing a good job, but more like the lesser of two evils.[/quote]

I wonder if the Vikings were making that decision or the NFL? I think the Vikings made their decision 24 hours before with reinstatement, what changed since to go back? Anheuser Busch change things maybe? I think this was the NFL saying, nope he doesnt play.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1083744]I still think the Vikings are handling this situation better than the Ravens handled Ray Rice. I'm not saying they're doing a good job, but more like the lesser of two evils.[/QUOTE]


I think the Vikes just had their hands forced sooner. They both would have handled it equally as horrible for equally as long if given the opportunity.

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[quote=Chico23231;1083745]I wonder if the Vikings were making that decision or the NFL? I think the Vikings made their decision 24 hours before with reinstatement, what changed since to go back? Anheuser Busch change things maybe? I think this was the NFL saying, nope he doesnt play.[/quote]

I still think it was Ziggy Wilf that reversed the decision. He had already lost his Raddison sponsor and then when Anheiser/Busch comes out and makes a statement, well it doesn't take long to understand these guys respond to bottom lines and nothing else.

Notice the Panthers did the same thing. I have respect for Jerry Richardson though, you can tell this has really bothered him because he actually got on the podium. (and broke down) I think the Panthers just wanted to give Hardy the due process he's deserved, and that's understandable when you don't have the tangible evidence like we saw with the Rice case.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11540363/kurt-warner-junior-seau-15-first-year-candidates-nominated-pro-football-hall-fame]Kurt Warner, Junior Seau among 15 first-year candidates nominated for Pro Football Hall of Fame - ESPN[/url]

HOF Candidates for this year.

Quick side note, am I the only one who feels that Marvin Harrison just disappeared from the public eye and no one talks about how he was involved in a two shootings and civil suit?

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[quote=punch it in;1083747]I think the Vikes just had their hands forced sooner. They both would have handled it equally as horrible for equally as long if given the opportunity.[/quote]

Yet the Vikings are the ones being slammed in the media and by sponsors, while the Ravens are just an afterthought in the Rice case.

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^They both will be an afterthought in about 3 weeks.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1083750]Yet the Vikings are the ones being slammed in the media and by sponsors, while the Ravens are just an afterthought in the Rice case.[/QUOTE]


Yeah, but its sort of unfolding still. I hear you. Quake is rite anyway in another month nobody will give a hoot. Than again the world goes on. Just hope justice is served somehow at the end of the day.