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Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
Who effin buys a bag of airline peanuts anyway?
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Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
[quote=Hog1;1117268]So you're saying DS purchased out of date peanuts, expressly for the purpose of:
A) Poison the fanbase? B) Insult Jimmy carter (come on, let's see what you got)? C) Saving a few bucks on a classically good Mr. Peanut deal? D) he dun F...d up? WTF.....I would have thought they have a half-life of like 200 years[/quote] It's not your job to know the shelf life of peanuts but it is the responsibility of an organization that plans to sell them to the public. More to the point, you asked me if I thought some of these things were dramatized or made up. I said no, they are facts. And they are. Stop being so naive; you can look this stuff up if you want to. Do you remember when Snyder and Vinnie pulled a guy out of retirement who hadn't been an NFL OC for five years (Sherm Lewis) and who had been calling Bingo games in Green Bay and forced poor Jim Zorn to let him call the plays? Some of the stuff Snyder has either instigated or approved is so wacky you can't make it up. I don't know why Snyder does the things he does, but I say once again, based on his track record of seemingly wanting to control everything and everybody, that I would have no trouble believing that he is demanding that RGIII start. |
Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
Hey, Hog 1, Here's another one for you. This is from Dan Steinberg's column in the [I]Washington Post[/I] dated October 27, 2009:
"And now it's Mike Broderick, a longtime season ticket holder, who came to the Chiefs game with Dumb and Dumber signs, attracting a security official who threatened to seize his season tickets. The guard told Broderick he could either go to the security office, leave the stadium, or hand over the signs. So Broderick asked if he could put the image on a t-shirt instead. 'That would be kind of offensive,' the security official said. 'It's offensive to come to these games,' Broderick said he replied. Broderick gave up the signs, and came back on Monday Night with new signs hidden under his jacket, and with t-shirts to match. The signs were about to be taken, as NFL Network cameras rolled live, and Broderick showed the security guy the team's old policy, printed in his telephone yellow pages, which he had brought as proof. Policy's been changed, he was told. Eventually, he said, security also made him turn his t-shirt inside-out, calling P.G. cops in for support. He said I could use his name, because his frustration overwhelms any fear of losing his seats." |
Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
Hog1, here's one from the [I]City Paper[/I] dated August 14, 2009:
"Snyder’s scheme could be seen as vindictive, also. These everybody-pays parking fees come just as he’s feuding with the Jericho City of Praise Church over—you guessed it—parking. For years, the massive church, located adjacent to FedExField, has been leasing its parking lots to Snyder on Redskins game days. He allowed Redskins season ticket holders who had purchased 10-game parking passes to use the leased property. But negotiations between the team and the church to continue the leasing arrangement broke down during the offseason. The staff at the business office at Jericho City of Praise tells me that the church will take control of the lots on game days, and charge $35, cash only. That amounts to competition, and history is pretty clear on what Snyder does to parking competition. In 2001, Snyder got Prince George’s County to ban pedestrians from walking to FedEx on game days. His lawyers argued that the walk-in ban was necessary for the safety of ticket holders." I think that's enough to illustrate that I'm talking about facts. |
Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1117274]Hog1, here's one from the [I]City Paper[/I] dated August 14, 2009:
"Snyder’s scheme could be seen as vindictive, also. These everybody-pays parking fees come just as he’s feuding with the Jericho City of Praise Church over—you guessed it—parking. For years, the massive church, located adjacent to FedExField, has been leasing its parking lots to Snyder on Redskins game days. He allowed Redskins season ticket holders who had purchased 10-game parking passes to use the leased property. But negotiations between the team and the church to continue the leasing arrangement broke down during the offseason. The staff at the business office at Jericho City of Praise tells me that the church will take control of the lots on game days, and charge $35, cash only. That amounts to competition, and history is pretty clear on what Snyder does to parking competition. In 2001, Snyder got Prince George’s County to ban pedestrians from walking to FedEx on game days. His lawyers argued that the walk-in ban was necessary for the safety of ticket holders." I think that's enough to illustrate that I'm talking about facts.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1117271]It's not your job to know the shelf life of peanuts but it is the responsibility of an organization that plans to sell them to the public. More to the point, you asked me if I thought some of these things were dramatized or made up. I said no, they are facts. And they are. Stop being so naive; you can look this stuff up if you want to. Do you remember when Snyder and Vinnie pulled a guy out of retirement who hadn't been an NFL OC for five years (Sherm Lewis) and who had been calling Bingo games in Green Bay and forced poor Jim Zorn to let him call the plays? Some of the stuff Snyder has either instigated or approved is so wacky you can't make it up. I don't know why Snyder does the things he does, but I say once again, based on his track record of seemingly wanting to control everything and everybody, that I would have no trouble believing that he is demanding that RGIII start.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1117273]Hey, Hog 1, Here's another one for you. This is from Dan Steinberg's column in the [I]Washington Post[/I] dated October 27, 2009: "And now it's Mike Broderick, a longtime season ticket holder, who came to the Chiefs game with Dumb and Dumber signs, attracting a security official who threatened to seize his season tickets. The guard told Broderick he could either go to the security office, leave the stadium, or hand over the signs. So Broderick asked if he could put the image on a t-shirt instead. 'That would be kind of offensive,' the security official said. 'It's offensive to come to these games,' Broderick said he replied. Broderick gave up the signs, and came back on Monday Night with new signs hidden under his jacket, and with t-shirts to match. The signs were about to be taken, as NFL Network cameras rolled live, and Broderick showed the security guy the team's old policy, printed in his telephone yellow pages, which he had brought as proof. Policy's been changed, he was told. Eventually, he said, security also made him turn his t-shirt inside-out, calling P.G. cops in for support. He said I could use his name, because his frustration overwhelms any fear of losing his seats."[/QUOTE] Thank You! Exactly what I was talking about! |
Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
[quote=KI Skins Fan;1117274]Hog1, here's one from the [I]City Paper[/I] dated August 14, 2009:
"Snyder’s scheme could be seen as vindictive, also. These everybody-pays parking fees come just as he’s feuding with the Jericho City of Praise Church over—you guessed it—parking. For years, the massive church, located adjacent to FedExField, has been leasing its parking lots to Snyder on Redskins game days. He allowed Redskins season ticket holders who had purchased 10-game parking passes to use the leased property. But negotiations between the team and the church to continue the leasing arrangement broke down during the offseason. The staff at the business office at Jericho City of Praise tells me that the church will take control of the lots on game days, and charge $35, cash only. That amounts to competition, and history is pretty clear on what Snyder does to parking competition. In 2001, Snyder got Prince George’s County to ban pedestrians from walking to FedEx on game days. His lawyers argued that the walk-in ban was necessary for the safety of ticket holders." I think that's enough to illustrate that I'm talking about facts.[/quote] It appears it has become your....life to prove that Dan is the Antichrist? Not just some egotistical sports team owner with a bad club? If not, in all your ramblings, do you by any chance have a point? Is it possible you could state it in say....a couple of sentences? |
Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
[QUOTE=Hog1;1117278]It appears it has become your....life to prove that Dan is the Antichrist? Not just some egotistical sports team owner with a bad club?
If not, in all your ramblings, do you by any chance have a point? Is it possible you could state it in say....a couple of sentences?[/QUOTE] I cannot personal speak for KI Skins Fan, but my understanding is that he is proving that Dan Synder likes to control everything. Dan's controlling nature and his love for RG3 are the reasons why I and several other on this site believe that no matter what RG3 may do wrong or KC/Colt do right, the starting Quarterback on September 13 will be RG3. Personally I just wish that Dan Synder would allow his own coaches to chose the Quarterback that can best run the Offense, and best run the team. Please understand that I am seriously hoping that RG3 can turn things around, as he is the most athletic of the Quarterbacks that we have, but right now he doesn't look confident and he doesn't like a professional quarterback. Unless RG3 looks a whole lot better in the last two preseason games, right now I would feel a lot more comfortable seeing either Colt McCoy or Kirk Cousins as the starting Quarterback. |
Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
[quote=Hog1;1117249][B]Think about what you heard SM state to the media before t-camp. Robert has to much raw talent and.........potential (not to mention investment) to kick him to the curb unless they know for sure he cannot get it done. [/B]
It is painful to watch, but this is part of the process. He has mostly not looked good but nobody could accurately judge him based on the crappy protection he is getting.....[/quote] Under the circumstances, I appoint you mediator...Ad-Hoc Hate to quote myself as I am far to modest...... but, not you....not me have any idea what really goes on at Redskin Park. Who makes the decisions...etc. F... yah he's controlling!! He's a self made Billionaire...with a B. The parking thing posted is a joke. He's trying to maximize his interests, just as the church in the article is. Oh yah, here's the whole thing as the other taken out of context is BS as well. [URL="http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/articles/37660/youll-pay-a-parking-fee-at-fedexfield-even-when-you"]You'll pay a parking fee at FedExField - even when you don't come in a car. - Washington City Paper[/URL] YOU and I both know or strongly suspect Colt and KC aren't the real deal either. Way to much fumble int....shit SM is trying to TOTALLY evaluate Robert so he does not pull a Antonio Pierce on us. I have no problem with this All conspiracies are not about D. Snyder. Some involve the Russians, Iranians and maybe Caitlin Jenner. He's just an egotistical billionaire like so many others......... The evil...conspiratorial DS nonsense gets real.....old |
Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
[quote=Hog1;1117280]Under the circumstances, I appoint you mediator...Ad-Hoc
Hate to quote myself as I am far to modest...... but, not you....not me have any idea what really goes on at Redskin Park. Who makes the decisions...etc. F... yah he's controlling!! He's a self made Billionaire...with a B. The parking thing posted is a joke. He's trying to maximize his interests, just as the church in the article is. Oh yah, here's the whole thing as the other taken out of context is BS as well. [URL="http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/articles/37660/youll-pay-a-parking-fee-at-fedexfield-even-when-you"]You'll pay a parking fee at FedExField - even when you don't come in a car. - Washington City Paper[/URL] YOU and I both know or strongly suspect Colt and KC aren't the real deal either. Way to much fumble int....shit SM is trying to TOTALLY evaluate Robert so he does not pull a Antonio Pierce on us. I have no problem with this All conspiracies are not about D. Snyder. Some involve the Russians, Iranians and maybe Caitlin Jenner. He's just an egotistical billionaire like so many others......... The evil...conspiratorial DS nonsense gets real.....old[/quote] Again, how can you say that about KC after 9 starts? Meanwhile you're saying Griffin needs more time after 36?? This makes 0 sense to me. At this point we are way past the draft pick investment talk. That is sunken cost. Griffin gets 3-4 weeks to start the season. |
Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
[quote=skinsfan69;1117281][B][I]Again, how can you say that about KC after 9 starts? Meanwhile you're saying Griffin needs more time after 36?? This makes 0 sense to me. [/I][/B]
At this point we are way past the draft pick investment talk. That is sunken cost. Griffin gets 3-4 weeks to start the season.[/quote] Yeah no shit! That makes 0 sense to me also.Also I cant believe anyone doesnt believe Dan is 100 percent behind naming VY2 the starter,I mean who the fck else would it be? We know Gruden doesnt want him,I dont see why it would be Scott,does Bruce have that much power? |
Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1117281]Again, how can you say that about KC after 9 starts? Meanwhile you're saying Griffin needs more time after 36?? This makes 0 sense to me.
At this point we are way past the draft pick investment talk. That is sunken cost. Griffin gets 3-4 weeks to start the season.[/QUOTE] Agree! At this point, all I want is for the Redskins to look competent and win. Sent from my NS-P16AT10 using Tapatalk |
Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
[QUOTE=htownskinfan;1117282]Yeah no shit! That makes 0 sense to me also.Also I cant believe anyone doesnt believe Dan is 100 percent behind naming VY2 the starter,I mean who the fck else would it be? We know Gruden doesnt want him,I dont see why it would be Scott,does Bruce have that much power?[/QUOTE]
Exactly! Sent from my NS-P16AT10 using Tapatalk |
Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
[quote=htownskinfan;1117282]Yeah no shit! That makes 0 sense to me also.Also I cant believe anyone doesnt believe Dan is 100 percent behind naming VY2 the starter,I mean who the fck else would it be? We know Gruden doesnt want him,I dont see why it would be Scott,does Bruce have that much power?[/quote]
WTF's wrong with you? Scott in his press conferences....stated...in plain language. "Robert has To much potential....To much upside (not to mention TO much invested) to NOT BE absolutely sure he cannot do it before we kick him to the curb" paraphrasing a bit AND....KC or Colt may prove to be the man (God how I wish they would). But that Sure As Hell has not been the case to date.... You watched last year right? |
Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
The problem is most of you are looking at this through the eyes of a fan who wants to win right away, so of course you want to play the backups when the starter struggles. That's understandable, but Scot is looking at the big picture. I think he realizes that this team is not going to win with any of our QBs anytime soon, so why wouldn't he play the guy that has had the most success and is the most physically talented? In the meantime, while he finds out if Griffin can be effective again, he is working on building up the talent around the QB position.
Maybe you think Cousins or McCoy should be that guy, but McCloughan and Jay are around these guys all the time. Is it that hard to believe that Griffin really is the best option? I know Keim has said he has no issue with the QB depth chart after viewing some of the camp practices. The notion that Snyder is the reason Griffin is starting is very unlikely to me. McCloughan does not come across as a fool, I doubt he would have come here if he thought there was even a tiny chance Snyder would meddle like that. |
Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
Oh I agree 100% that Robert gets every chance to prove he can be the man…but when is enough..How many games does he have to stink it up before somebody says enough already??? my question was IF RGlll stinks it up at Ravens what then? the last pre season game means nothing..starters don't really play..so we start regular season with RGlll in a game at home that we could win with average QB play…why not Let Cousins or McCoy start at Ravens ..see what they got..we know what Robert has. You guys Seem smart to me and most all of you make great points..IF YOU WERE THE HEAD COACH AND YOUR FUTURE WAS RIDING ON IT ..WHO WOULD YOU GO WITH AT QB??..lets here it ..
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Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
[QUOTE=rocnrik;1117288]Oh I agree 100% that Robert gets every chance to prove he can be the man…but when is enough..How many games does he have to stink it up before somebody says enough already??? my question was IF RGlll stinks it up at Ravens what then? the last pre season game means nothing..starters don't really play..so we start regular season with RGlll in a game at home that we could win with average QB play…why not Let Cousins or McCoy start at Ravens ..see what they got..we know what Robert has. You guys Seem smart to me and most all of you make great points..IF YOU WERE THE HEAD COACH AND YOUR FUTURE WAS RIDING ON IT ..WHO WOULD YOU GO WITH AT QB??..lets here it ..[/QUOTE]
I agree with everything that you said! I will take your challenge... Personally, right now I would have to say Colt McCoy is the Quarterback that I would go with on September 13. And his back-up would be Kirk Cousins. I know that I am probability going to get blasted for my choice, but of the three quarterback on the Redskins roster right now Colt McCoy is the Quarterback that seems the most professional and confident. Also the offensive seems to run the most smoothly with Colt McCoy at quarterback. Okay, so I said my piece, what do others think? |
Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
[quote=skinsfan69;1117281]Again, how can you say that about KC after 9 starts? Meanwhile you're saying Griffin needs more time after 36?? This makes 0 sense to me.
At this point we are way past the draft pick investment talk. That is sunken cost. Griffin gets 3-4 weeks to start the season.[/quote] Thats something that drives me bollocks too! Some fans are more committed to the name on the back of the jersey instead of the front, sometimes. |
Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
[quote=kct1975;1117279]I cannot personal speak for KI Skins Fan, but my understanding is that he is proving that Dan Synder likes to control everything.
Dan's controlling nature and his love for RG3 are the reasons why I and several other on this site believe that no matter what RG3 may do wrong or KC/Colt do right, the starting Quarterback on September 13 will be RG3.[/quote] You got my point. |
Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
Cousins. Even though I doubt we have any qb on our roster that isn't, at maximum, a backup.
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Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
[quote=Hog1;1117285]WTF's wrong with you? Scott in his press conferences....stated...in plain language. "Robert has To much potential....To much upside (not to mention TO much invested) to NOT BE absolutely sure he cannot do it before we kick him to the curb" paraphrasing a bit
AND....KC or Colt may prove to be the man (God how I wish they would). But that Sure As Hell has not been the case to date.... [B][I][U]You watched last year right?[/U][/I][/B][/quote] Yeah,did you? Have you seen this preseason? McCoy, Cousins continue to out-play RG3 Posted by Michael David Smith on August 21, 2015, 3:43 PM EDT Kirk Cousins, Rashad Ross AP If Washington’s quarterback depth chart were determined by on-field performance, Robert Griffin III would be firmly entrenched at third string. Although coach Jay Gruden insisted after Thursday’s preseason game against the Lions that Griffin will remain the starter, that game showed once again what we’ve seen throughout Gruden’s tenure as Washington’s coach: Colt McCoy and Kirk Cousins are simply playing better football than Griffin. So far this preseason, McCoy has a 131.6 passer rating and has led Washington’s offense on three touchdown drives. Cousins has a 118.3 passer rating and has also led Washington’s offense on three touchdown drives. Griffin has a 54.6 passer rating, and Washington has yet to score a touchdown with Griffin on the field. You can argue that the preseason is too small a sample size to draw any conclusions, and that Griffin is playing against better defensive players than Cousins and McCoy are. But Griffin’s sub-par performance goes beyond just this year’s preseason. Last year Griffin started seven games, Cousins started five and McCoy started four. Washington wasn’t a particularly good team no matter who was starting, but according to ESPN’s QBR system, which combines both statistics and film study into one number on a 0-100 scale, Griffin was easily the worst of the three. [B][I][U]McCoy had a 46.9 QBR, Cousins had a 46.5 QBR and Griffin had a 33.5 QBR. [/U][/I][/B]The Football Outsiders DVOA system, which uses play-by-play data to assess quarterbacks, similarly had Griffin as by far the worst of Washington’s three quarterbacks. Given all that, it’s surprising that Gruden is so adamant that Griffin will continue to start. Perhaps Gruden is still intrigued by the great promise Griffin showed in his rookie season. Perhaps Dan Snyder has told Gruden to give Griffin a chance. Perhaps Gruden just doesn’t think McCoy and Cousins are legitimate NFL starters. But at some point, on-field results have to matter. And Griffin simply isn’t getting results. |
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I don't think McCloughan would have taken the job unless he was assured (and probably written into his contract) that he would have total control over the roster. I don't think it's any coincidence that shortly after he took over is when Gruden came out and said Griffin would be the starter heading into the offseason.
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[quote=rocnrik;1117288]IF YOU WERE THE HEAD COACH AND YOUR FUTURE WAS RIDING ON IT ..WHO WOULD YOU GO WITH AT QB??..lets here it ..[/quote]
I would announce that RGIII will not play vs. Baltimore due to his concussion vs. the Lions. After that, I would start Robert in the final preseason game and have the first team play one very vanilla series. Then, I would say nothing more than "Robert is our starting QB" prior to starting him in the first game of the season. That should satisfy Snyder and and protect my job until RGIII gets hurt and I can put in my choice at QB. |
Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
[quote=Mattyk;1117252]Someone is telling Gruden to start Griffin but I don't think it's Snyder.[/quote]
This is Snyder's call. That's not to say McCloughan isn't also on board with this, I suspect he may not have been hired if he wasn't. But Snyder, I know, said on multiple occasions last year that RG3 has to be the starter if healthy. I've been told that directly from people would know that. And going into this summer I've heard the same indirectly from people. |
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[quote=SmootSmack;1117298]This is Snyder's call. That's not to say McCloughan isn't also on board with this, I suspect he may not have been hired if he wasn't. But Snyder, I know, said on multiple occasions last year that RG3 has to be the starter if healthy. I've been told that directly from people would know that. And going into this summer I've heard the same indirectly from people.[/quote]
Pretty much if gruden cannot develop rg3 both are gone. Is that pretty much the deal with McC? I guess is rg3 went down and Kirk could somehow be gruden saving grace if he would could get them close to the playoffs. |
Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
[quote=Chico23231;1117301]Pretty much if gruden cannot develop rg3 both are gone. Is that pretty much the deal with McC? I guess is rg3 went down and Kirk could somehow be gruden saving grace if he would could get them close to the playoffs.[/quote]
I hate it, but I think there's less than a 5% chance RG3 returns in 2016. As for Gruden, I think he returns for 2016. Beyond that? Guess it depends if he can show he can win a QB that isn't RG3 |
Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
Well.....it has not looked very promising last season and so far this that any of these guys are the answer.
What the hell! Might as well start a 2016 draft thread...right now. |
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[QUOTE=Hog1;1117307]Well.....it has not looked very promising last season and so far this that any of these guys are the answer.
What the hell! Might as well start a 2016 draft thread...right now.[/QUOTE] I respectfully disagree...while I don't see the Redskins making the playoffs, if Jay Gruden is allowed to start either Colt or Kirk, I can see the Redskins possibility getting to 8-8. As it is right now, however, with the way RG3 is playing, unless he improves, the best I see is 4-12. |
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[quote=SmootSmack;1117298]This is Snyder's call. That's not to say McCloughan isn't also on board with this, I suspect he may not have been hired if he wasn't. But Snyder, I know, said on multiple occasions last year that RG3 has to be the starter if healthy. I've been told that directly from people would know that. And going into this summer I've heard the same indirectly from people.[/quote]
As long as Scott is on board that's all I care about. It would be hard to believe he would have signed on otherwise. |
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I do not really disagree with you. Both Colt and KC look better and run the O better than Robert at this time. BUT, they need some time with the first team to see if they can handle it. In the past they both have had serious ball control/turnover problems..........
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[quote=SmootSmack;1117306]I hate it, but I think there's less than a 5% chance RG3 returns in 2016. As for Gruden, I think he returns for 2016. Beyond that? Guess it depends if he can show he can win a QB that isn't RG3[/quote]
What make u think rg3 can develop into a pocket passer? U seem pretty adamant that this is still a possibility. So was gruden the wrong coach to make this happen or is it the complete failure of Sean mcvay. It's amazing to me how unnoticed Sean mcvay is to fans. We give grief to gruden and rg3...but mcvay is giving some sort of pass. Unbelievable IMO. |
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[quote=Chico23231;1117301]Pretty much if gruden cannot develop rg3 both are gone. Is that pretty much the deal with McC? I guess is rg3 went down and Kirk could somehow be gruden saving grace if he would could get them close to the playoffs.[/quote]
Jay Gruden is a lame duck coach. He's fucked and he probably knows it(we do at least). Hey, at least he walks away with a shit ton of cash from those extra 3 years remaining on his contract. |
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50+ other players on this roster. I support whoever is wearing a Redskins Uniform but if RG3 is stinking it up and showing no sign of improvement. He needs to be replaced by Kirk
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[quote=Chico23231;1117314]What make u think rg3 can develop into a pocket passer? U seem pretty adamant that this is still a possibility. So was gruden the wrong coach to make this happen or is it the complete failure of Sean mcvay.
It's amazing to me how unnoticed Sean mcvay is to fans. We give grief to gruden and rg3...but mcvay is giving some sort of pass. Unbelievable IMO.[/quote] Where do you get the impression from that I'm adamant he can be developed into a pocket passer? |
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[quote=Hog1;1117311]I do not really disagree with you. Both Colt and KC look better and run the O better than Robert at this time. BUT, they need some time with the first team to see if they can handle it. In the past they both have had serious ball control/turnover problems..........[/quote]
Most QBs have ball control issues in their first 9 starts. The weird thing is many of them get better the more they play. |
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It's hard for us Skins fans to face this one hard truth: we don't have a quarterback.
So all the consternation over who starts, I don't think it really matters too much. I can't blame Snyder for saying if healthy RG3 has to start. None of the other QBs have stepped forward in a way that screams that they're obviously better than RG3. If we're going to be competitive it's on the rest of the team. So McLoughan marches forward with building up the rest of the team, and probably knowing that QB is high on his shopping list next season. Tough reality to swallow, but that's it. |
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[quote=kct1975;1117279]I cannot personal speak for KI Skins Fan, but my understanding is that he is proving that Dan Synder likes to control everything.
Dan's controlling nature and his love for RG3 are the reasons why I and several other on this site believe that no matter what RG3 may do wrong or KC/Colt do right, the starting Quarterback on September 13 will be RG3. Personally I just wish that Dan Synder would allow his own coaches to chose the Quarterback that can best run the Offense, and best run the team. Please understand that I am seriously hoping that RG3 can turn things around, as he is the most athletic of the Quarterbacks that we have, but right now he doesn't look confident and he doesn't like a professional quarterback. Unless RG3 looks a whole lot better in the last two preseason games, right now I would feel a lot more comfortable seeing either Colt McCoy or Kirk Cousins as the starting Quarterback.[/quote] You have a good post here. All factual what you just said. You have to keep in mind that back in 2008, prior to Jim Zorn being hired, Jim Fassel was basically like a shoe-in for the HC job. However, if you listen to Fassel and don't think he's got an axe to grind for not getting the job, he has claimed several times that he was asked to be HC, at the point that all of his other coaches / assistants were already hired. He was also not given any autonomy on players / personnel, and he says basically they wanted him to coach the team even though all the decisions were being made for him. He allegedly turned it down when he learned that he would basically have no input on players / etc, and that is at the point that Jim Zorn was promoted to HC, as he had already been hired to be Fassel's OC. To me, Fassel has always came off as respectable and not an ego guy, so i think he is telling the truth. And if you revisit the timeline, it all makes sense. So basically to sum up - probably 90% certainty that Dan Snyder is still telling "his guys" - to make it known who plays and who doesn't play, etc... |
Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
[quote=Schneed10;1117321]It's hard for us Skins fans to face this one hard truth: we don't have a quarterback.
So all the consternation over who starts, I don't think it really matters too much. I can't blame Snyder for saying if healthy RG3 has to start. None of the other QBs have stepped forward in a way that screams that they're obviously better than RG3. If we're going to be competitive it's on the rest of the team. So McLoughan marches forward with building up the rest of the team, and probably knowing that QB is high on his shopping list next season. Tough reality to swallow, but that's it.[/quote] I can't agree with you that we don't have a QB. Not yet, anyway. In the little I've seen of Kirk this year, he looks improved. Until he gets another shot, I'm not ready to write him off. As for Scot marching forward building the rest of the team, we have a good man there. Furthermore, I clearly recall Mike Shanahan saying that Snyder doesn't care about any position on the team except QB, so Scot should have free rein in building most of the team. But will Snyder once again insert himself into the process of selecting any first round QB we might draft? I just can't envision Snyder allowing Scot to make that decision on his own. |
Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
[quote=Schneed10;1117321]It's hard for us Skins fans to face this one hard truth: we don't have a quarterback.
So all the consternation over who starts, I don't think it really matters too much. I can't blame Snyder for saying if healthy RG3 has to start. None of the other QBs have stepped forward in a way that screams that they're obviously better than RG3. If we're going to be competitive it's on the rest of the team. So McLoughan marches forward with building up the rest of the team, and probably knowing that QB is high on his shopping list next season. Tough reality to swallow, but that's it.[/quote] This. It's a very real possibility we wipe the slate clean at QB next year and start over. |
Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
[quote=Mattyk;1117310]As long as Scott is on board that's all I care about. It would be hard to believe he would have signed on otherwise.[/quote]
I believe Scott was on board with it when he was hired,but now after watching VY2 in practice and in these first 2 preseason games and seeing he doesnt look any different,I suspect now he is no longer on board but has put himself in the position of having to stay on board and go down with the ship.We will see how it pans out. |
Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
I know the mob doesn't want to hear it but you can't pull the plug on Griffin this early. Unless he can't play due to injury you have to give him a real shot and see how things play out into the season. This is the spot we're in... buckle up.
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