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[quote=Alvin Walton;1113368]I dont have a problem with that.
He didnt commit a crime.
The NFL isnt the FBI.[/quote]

So, your employer says, "I think you have been tampering with the our equipment and I have emails from other employees incriminating you and making seem likely you did the actions I suspect you did. I need to see your e-mails and text messages from you personal accounts that relate to your work or that were sent to other employees. If not, I will just assume you are hiding something (or worse, lying to me), make my decision based on what I know now. You're fired."

You're right. He is not obligated to turn them over. Since he didn't, however, the NFL (since they're not doing a criminal investigation) is free to assume he's lying or hiding incriminating information and act accordingly.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1113356]Pick up two footballs and see if the one that's deflated 1.2 psi under the limit would impact a game. It doesn't. You have 0 common sense.[/quote]

Yeah because you're qualified to say. Are you a pro QB?

If it doesn't make a difference then why the flying F is there a rule about it, and why does the NFL go to the lengths to have the head ref test the ball pressure 2 hours before the game and then keep the balls under the watchful eye of an official until minutes before kickoff?

Seriously your critical thinking skills are impaired.

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I'm amazed at the number of people who are comparing cheating to breaking the law.

They're entirely different things. It's like comparing oranges and zebras.

Breaking the law, like domestic violence hurts the league's [U]image[/U]. Cheating to gain an advantage playing football games hurts the ACTUAL PRODUCT that the league is selling.

The response has to be entirely different.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/13/a-j-feeley-says-he-witnessed-patriots-use-doctored-footballs/]A.J. Feeley says he witnessed Patriots use doctored footballs | ProFootballTalk[/url]

culture of cheating

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look, first, i think some people are still under the assumption this was a one time thing, and not something that had been going on for 3+ years. Some article mentioned the patriots fumble rate vs league average, which could be considered an unfair advantage.

second, brady made two mistakes. 1. he got caught, and 2. he lied about it.

this also isn't the first time the pats have been caught doing something shady.

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[quote=Hog1;1113335][/B]
NO
DONE!
DONE!
Maybe
In Progress
ANd....yes
HTTR![/quote]

Amazing how much can be done in one off season if the FO has a clue as to how to go about things.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/feature/maddenvote]Madden NFL 16 Cover Vote - ESPN[/url]

ok madden/video game nerds, vote for either Gronk or Odell Beckham for the Madden Cover. Im going with Gronk

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[quote=Schneed10;1113372]Yeah because you're qualified to say. Are you a pro QB?

If it doesn't make a difference then why the flying F is there a rule about it, and why does the NFL go to the lengths to have the head ref test the ball pressure 2 hours before the game and then keep the balls under the watchful eye of an official until minutes before kickoff?

Seriously your critical thinking skills are impaired.[/quote]

Well I do know a thing or two about quarterbacking. Obviously not at the professional level.

I'm not going to get into name calling with you Schneed. Kind of immature thing to do. You seem like the kind of guy that thinks he's the smartest person in the room. We'll agree to disagree.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1113369]Well, duh. While the issue of NE's intentional manipulation of air pressure was the catalyst for the investigation:



[URL="http://www.examiner.com/article/tom-brady-banned-4-games-for-role-deflate-gate-patriots-fined-lose-picks"]Tom Brady banned 4 games for role in 'Deflate-gate;' Patriots fined, lose picks - National NFL | Examiner.com[/URL]

You cannot [I]not[/I] investigate teams with a history of circumventing the rules in order to affect the on-field product when it becomes known that they are, once again, allegedly circumventing such rules. If you do, the inevitable cheating rumors affect the final product and, ultimately, the profitability of that product. NE put itself in the position of being subjected to an investigation b/c it has a history of seeking to manipulate the rules through off-the-field actions for an on-field advantage.

Similarly, once subject to investigation, anything other than full compliance should be harshly penalized as, once again, if the investigation looks half-assed, the cheating rumors will continue to circulate.

Sure, 1.2 psi, in and of itself, is unlikely to affect the competitive balance of any particular game. The sanction is simply not about the psi. Rather, the sanction [I]and investigation[/I] are directly related to preventing further spread of the perception that (1) a team is consistently manipulating the rules with its off-the-field actions to affect the on-field product; AND (2) it will actively attempt to cover-up such actions. If those perceptions are allowed to spread, it will ultimately affect the integrity and profitability of the final product [I]for all teams[/I]. Thus, both the investigation and sanction were reasonable under the circumstances that NE created for itself.

NE and Brady brought this on themselves. In the end, the sanctions send a clear statement that teams should not, through off the field actions, attempt to affect the play on the field and, once you have been determined to have done so once, you will be subject to an even higher level of scrutiny. Further, if the NFL investigates you, even for a minor violation, you better be forthcoming with everything.

Plus, Brady is a rat-ass liar.[/quote]

Again though, this to me is a mountain out of a molehill. It's a common sense type of thing where it should be handled with a mandate. We'll just agree to disagree.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1113382]Again though, this to me is a mountain out of a molehill. It's a common sense type of thing where it should be handled with a mandate. We'll just agree to disagree.[/quote]

You seem to completely disregard the whole thing about the Patriots being repeat offenders.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1113382]Again though, this to me is a mountain out of a molehill. It's [B]a common sense type of thing where it should be handled with a mandate.[/B] We'll just agree to disagree.[/quote]

... and I am betting it would have been for any team other than NE.

Yes. We will have to disagree -- I'll agree with the more persuasive well thought out position and you will disagree with it. ;)

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1113384]... and I am betting it would have been for any team other than NE.

Yes. We will have to disagree -- I'll agree with the more persuasive well thought out position and you will disagree with it. ;)[/quote]

If the Redskins had done this, opinions would be very different around here. I would believe they would be similar to the way I feel about it.

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The Patriots organization was long overdue for a hard kick in the pants for actively promoting creative cheating from the top down for many years. They practically made cheating an art form. On top of the that, the lying, arrogant rat-bastards thought they could stonewall the investigation of their latest cheating scandal because Tom Brady thinks he's bigger than the game and Bob Kraft thought he had Roger Goodell in his pocket.

I really don't care that the punishment was instigated by the act of deflating footballs or if it had come from washing towels at the wrong temperature. This was simply the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.

Haven't we all known someone who needed a good ass-kicking and finally got it? Whether or not the punishment was fair, it was needed.

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[quote=Schneed10;1113380][IMG]http://i1039.photobucket.com/albums/a479/hatch113/chartoutdooroffplaysperfum_zpsb3e203bc.png[/IMG][/quote]

Forget the Pats fumble rate. Look who's at the bottom! It's our own Washington Redskins. Sheesh!