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I'm just glad the saga is over so everyone can move on.

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[quote=internetcareer;694608]Jason was never based in reality. He never took personal responsibility. You never heard him say things like "it was my fault". He always came to the after the game internviews with the same ole "well...you know..we just gotta go back and work harder". A lot of 'WE" in his interviews as opposed to "I" need to work harder. He missed a lot of open field receivers that he never saw...but obviously was pointed out to him in the film room. Campbell also missed passes downfield because he is terrible at the long ball. He was always saying "yea, I like to have that one back". But the reality is that Jason was never based in reality. He couldn't GET IT. And since he is in Oakland now, he still doesn't get it. He will be a starter in name only because after he loses this job and Oakland drafts another QB with their 1st pick next year, he will be back to singing the blues and wanting out of Oakland and still believing he is a starting NFL quarterback.
As I have stated many times...Jason is a backup QB. He just hasn't accepted this fact and neither have his legion of fans.[/quote]

All I will say is that not many people will agree with you,on any point.

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[quote=Lotus;694629]If you look at the numbers you will see that Campbell is a middle-of-the-road NFL QB. Not the best but not the worst - in the middle. So you can't really call him a bust. He never realized the promise that we had hoped for when we traded up for him and thus the trade up was somewhat foolhardy. But that does not make him a bust. And he certainly is not one of the greatest team draft busts.[/quote]

He's a bust from the standpoint that they gave up 3 pick to get him. 3 picks that could have resulted in great players. I dont think they would give up 3 picks to get a middle of the road QB, they expected him to be great and he wasnt.

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Busts are guys that can't play. JC can play.

What the Skins gave up to draft him really doesn't define him as a bust or not.

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[quote=irish;694668]He's a bust from the standpoint that they gave up 3 pick to get him. 3 picks that could have resulted in great players. I dont think they would give up 3 picks to get a middle of the road QB, they expected him to be great and he wasnt.[/quote]

As Matty pointed out, the three picks make for a bad trade, not a bust. On this one can criticize the trade, not the player. JC is decent.

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JC's #'s have improved every year and that is playing with a injury depleted and bad OL. He will succeed.

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[quote=irish;694668]He's a bust from the standpoint that they gave up 3 pick to get him. 3 picks that could have resulted in great players. I dont think they would give up 3 picks to get a middle of the road QB, they expected him to be great and he wasnt.[/quote]

Been a fan of Pro football for a long time,teams(Giants ,Skins,Cowboys) don't matter when it comes to being a great QB not one has ever been great by himself.
Who would the 3 picks have been that would have been great had you not gotten Jason?

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Cutting JaMarcus would save $6.45 million
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on April 25, 2010 12:03 PM ET
The Oakland Raiders have already paid JaMarcus Russell $36 million for a whole lot of nothing.

So do they now view him as a sunk cost or could they possibly pour more money down the drain? The Raiders can save $6.45 million by cutting Russell before the start of the season.

Russell has said in the past he won't take a pay cut, and that's far too much money to pay for a guy if he's Jason Campbell's backup. Tom Cable said there are "decisions" to be made at quarterback, but expects Russell to attend Oakland's post-draft minicamp Friday.

We'll see.

The Raiders would be risking the $6.45 million by keeping Russell in the offseason. They would owe him the money if he got hurt in workouts and placed on injured reserve.

The San Francisco Chronicle believes Cable hinted at Russell's departure:

"Adding Jason [Campbell] to this football team was very important," Cable said. "He is a guy in need of a fresh start himself."

The Raiders are an organization in need of fresh start. That can only happen with Russell elsewhere.

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I've said it before and I'll say it again, Jamarcus Russell is finished. What a waste of a gigantic arm. He's fat and lazy. An example of a guy who just wanted to get paid.

Once he gets cut, he'll probably balloon to 350lbs and fade into oblivion. I can't stand guys like him.

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[quote=Mattyk;694669]Busts are guys that can't play. JC can play.

What the Skins gave up to draft him really doesn't define him as a bust or not.[/quote]

Sort of. There are certainly different levels of bust. We gave up three picks, and drafted him in the first round. He did absolutely NOTHING for us (disagree...how's a 4 win season feel?). We traded him for a 4th round pick in 2012 which may not even happen if a CBA is not reached. Due to the fact that he bamboozled a lot of people to thinking he had top notch talent, he was a bust for us. Just a minor one.

So let me ask you this, if he plays for the raiders and pulls a Russell and throws for 4ish tds and 10ints and loses his job never to regain it, I would certainly label him as a full blown bust. That is more likely than him all of sudden "getting it" and lifting the raiders to respectable levels.

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[quote=GMScud;694689]I've said it before and I'll say it again, Jamarcus Russell is finished. What a waste of a gigantic arm. He's fat and lazy. An example of a guy who just wanted to get paid.

Once he gets cut, he'll probably balloon to 350lbs and fade into oblivion. I can't stand guys like him.[/quote]


Speaking of busts. JR is a PRIME example of what a true bust happens to be. What a waste of a tremendous amount of CASH.

This fat cat is the exact reason the CBA is in dire need of restructure.

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Let's face facts here, we need someone that can WIN us games. That when the game is on the line, someone steps up and wins it for us. There has been no one on this roster to do that for years. Campbell is NOT that guy. Sure, he was a great locker room presence, and a stand up guy, and we will all miss that, but as a starting QB he proved over and over that he is not that guy. Shame on us for believing he could be our savior, he has second string talent. He'll make a great back up for someone, but unfortunately he went to a situation that will likely chew him up and spit him out cause he needs a HUGE supporting cast to overshadow his lack of talent on the field.
I certainly wish him the best, and I hope that the change in scenary means he will be a changed QB and I certainly hope he becomes a pro bowler, because good people deserve second chances. I just don't see his talent being enough to make it.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;694694]Speaking of busts. JR is a PRIME example of what a true bust happens to be. What a waste of a tremendous amount of CASH.

This fat cat is the exact reason the CBA is in dire need of restructure.[/quote]

Russell is definately a massive bust at this point, but you never know, he could get out from under the dysfunctional raiders thumb and do something somewhere else. He needed to be tutored and he was thrown in to the wolves. He needs to simmer on someone's bench for a year or two, then maybe he could resurface somewhere and do something. Of course, this is unlikely, but just saying.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;694694]Speaking of busts. JR is a PRIME example of what a true bust happens to be. What a waste of a tremendous amount of CASH.

[B]This fat cat is the exact reason the CBA is in dire need of restructure[/B].[/quote]

there has been a dire need for a rookie wage scale for a long time now. there is no way anyone should receive anything more than 5 mil guaranteed without playing a down of nfl football.

as for contracts like fat al's that's just piss poor management right there

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[quote=mlmdub130;694709][B]there has been a dire need for a rookie wage scale for a long time now. [/B]there is no way anyone should receive anything more than 5 mil guaranteed without playing a down of nfl football.

as for contracts like fat al's that's just piss poor management right there[/quote]

I agree. I mean, Sam Bradford is going to get around $50M in guarantees before he ever lines up under center for the Rams. I think it's unfair for these high dollar rookies to eat up that much cash at the expense of proven vets who have already shed plenty of blood for their team(s).

Also, a lot of these kids who just became overnight millionares are pretty immature. Giving them all that cash increases the chances that they'll get lazy or screw up. Make them earn some of it before you give them 8 figures of guaranteed $.