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^^ I was with you until you posted that.

Poor guy is fighting his guts out on that run.

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BHA you really think AH is that dumb? That he can press a coach to change his entire defensive formation? Come on man.

Also why break his work out regimen to come here for 3 days of voluntary workouts? Why not train where he feels best for him, rather than a place that would only hinder him?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;700124]This "debate" really has ended up like the JC debate: the haters continually put out their reasons for hating, assuming that the non-haters need to be convinced, meanwhile the non-haters tend to agree with the basic principles of the haters while maintaining a positive overall view.
As it relates to this AH subject: I imagine 0% of the Warpath thinks AH is doing the best thing by staying away.

BUT, the haters group takes his staying away and makes argument after argument as to why this proves the absolute stupidity of a) AH, b) the FO, c) both, and vilifies everything that does not fit in their idea of the right move

AND, the non-haters group gets put in the corner of defending a) AH, b) the FO, c) both when in reality most non-haters are agreeable to the fact that both sides to one degree or another are at fault, but they hold off on pure condemnation.

Thus neither side gets the true capitulation it needs, and the debate can never really be resolved.[/quote]

Well said. I often find myself defending a player even though I don't neccessarily feel he's completely innocent of criticism, just because of the wild accusations thrown at him based on speculation.

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[quote=Mattyk;700127]^^ I was with you until you posted that.

Poor guy is fighting his guts out on that run.[/quote]

Yeah, i thought it fit but I understand your sentiment.

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[quote=hooskins;700129]BHA you really think AH is that dumb? That he can press a coach to change his entire defensive formation? Come on man.

[B]Also why break his work out regimen to come here for 3 days of voluntary workouts? [/B]Why not train where he feels best for him, rather than a place that would only hinder him?[/quote]Because every other teammate is there, there's a new coaching staff, and new system being implemented. The 3-day camp is a lot more about implementing scheme and coaches evaluations of players than physical workouts.

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[quote=Ruhskins;700120]I think the bitter girlfriends group need to write Roger Goodell and ask him to outlaw voluntary camps, and make all camps, OTAs, and workout sessions mandatory. I think this would solve this, and any problem.

On a serious note, I think this would not be a bad idea. I find "voluntary" sessions to be stupid, and the commotion they create in the media and fans is even worst.[/quote]I know where it came from, but I don't get the whole bitter girlfriend thing. At the core, this is about "who do you want in the foxhole with you". The 50+ guys who made sacrifices to be at the voluntary workouts to make the team better, or the one selfish a-hole who didn't.

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Well SS33 I guess thats the place where we will have to agree to disagree.

I really think 3 days dont matter, and wont really help the team work and communicate that much better. Teammates can be a bit frustrated working all day, rather than being at home and carry that frustration to a reporter via selected quotes. That doesnt mean, like Cooley said, that he wont come here and ball.

No one will care then.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;700112]i still don't understand why some people reason this way. If being in the best possible condition is the argument, then Haynesworth skipping voluntary workouts to work with his own physical trainer is understandable. However, failing to travel to DC for [I]three days [/I]for a team minicamp is not. Its not like 3 days away from his trainer would ruin this whole offseason workout regimine.

If Haynesworth really wanted to do what was best for both himself and the redskins, he would either:
1) be at all the team OTAs, or
2) work out on his own and come to all the minicamps.

[B]Why is it so hard to accept the obvious - Haynesworth was not at minicamp because he is pissed with the team, does not like how they plan to use him, and is trying to force a trade (or perhaps pressure the skins into sticking with a 4-3).[/B][/quote]

Dude, seriously stop making shit up. Every day you make up shit about Haynesworth and you state it as if it is an obvious fact. It is not.

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Occam's Razor

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;700137]I know where it came from, but I don't get the whole bitter girlfriend thing. At the core, this is about "who do you want in the foxhole with you". The 50+ guys who made sacrifices to be at the voluntary workouts to make the team better, or the one selfish a-hole who didn't.[/quote]

So you want the Redskins to build a roster based on attendance and being a good boyscout as opposed to skill and play on the field? Not me.
You talk about who you want in the foxhole with you. Look at who was the only ballsy Redskin that ran to DeAngelo Halls defense when NY Giants Beatty and Jacobs tried to jack up DeAngelo. AH. No other Redskins player on the field had the guts to defend their teammate. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1JKgOJpohU]YouTube - Giants fight[/ame]

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The fact that we were 4-12 last season automatically makes voluntary camp mandatory. Especially since we have a new defensive coordinator

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[quote=GridIron26;700067][URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/05/cooley_is_tired_of_haynesworth.html"]D.C. Sports Bog - Cooley is tired of Haynesworth talk[/URL]

On Haynesworth:[/quote]
Yeah I listened to that interview and agree.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;700124]This "debate" really has ended up like the JC debate: the haters continually put out their reasons for hating, assuming that the non-haters need to be convinced, meanwhile the non-haters tend to agree with the basic principles of the haters while maintaining a positive overall view.
As it relates to this AH subject: I imagine 0% of the Warpath thinks AH is doing the best thing by staying away.

BUT, the haters group takes his staying away and makes argument after argument as to why this proves the absolute stupidity of a) AH, b) the FO, c) both, and vilifies everything that does not fit in their idea of the right move

AND, the non-haters group gets put in the corner of defending a) AH, b) the FO, c) both when in reality most non-haters are agreeable to the fact that both sides to one degree or another are at fault, but they hold off on pure condemnation.

Thus neither side gets the true capitulation it needs, and the debate can never really be resolved.[/quote]

Why you hatin so much?

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[quote=hooskins;700129]BHA you really think AH is that dumb? That he can press a coach to change his entire defensive formation? Come on man.

Also why break his work out regimen to come here for 3 days of voluntary workouts? Why not train where he feels best for him, rather than a place that would only hinder him?[/quote]

why do you think a minicamp is the same as a workout.

i dont know about AH being dumb, but I do actually think he is self-centered enough to beleive that the team should cater to what he thinks makes him the most effective player.

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[quote=Defensewins;700144]Dude, seriously stop making shit up. Every day you make up shit about Haynesworth and you state it as if it is an obvious fact. It is not.[/quote]

it is obvious. if someone can come up with a logical explaination for all of haynesworth's offseason behavior, that also fits with what we know of him as a player in his entire professional career, i'd love to hear it. so far, everyone just says florio and JLC are making crap up for the fun of it, without providing a plausible explaination for AH's behavior. sorry, but i'm not that gullible.