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Sorry but I think everyone is looking in the wrong direction ,people want to blame owners , commissioners , GM's, Coaches , stop please . The players ,it's the players and it says what as a society we will put up with it is called personal responsibility . Domestic violence is not new,so why are people upset now ,a video tape ,eff that ,that is BS ! People have been screaming about corporal punishment for years ,is it right or wrong ,people have screamed I wish it was back because the kids of today have no discipline and yes discipline and beating are two different things
So the guy who picks up your trash he used a switch on his kids ,it is your right to know about it ,do you care ? I thought in this country you were innocent till proven guilty ,yes I believe if there are accusations they should be taken seriously ,if a child or women is beaten without a doubt that person should go to jail .People ,fans don't like Goodell and want his head simple as that . The things that went down and the way they went down you can blame a couple of dozen people but to blame one person ot to narrow it down to two or three is ludicrous .The Players and society that is who and what to blame .

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Man you really can't stand when your man gets criticized. Its not "the players" or society. It is the individuals who
a) hit their wives and children
b) covered up the actions in an attempt to minimize the damage to their teams
c) glossed over and aided the coverups in order to minimize the impact on the sport.

Society in this case is actually not acting inappropriately IMO which is highly unusual. There is very little hyperbole that I have seen, and no calls for massive crazy legislative movements. Simply outrage at violent actions and an apparent cover-up that followed.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1084148]Man you really can't stand when your man gets criticized. Its not "the players" or society. It is the individuals who
a) hit their wives and children
b) covered up the actions in an attempt to minimize the damage to their teams
c) glossed over and aided the coverups in order to minimize the impact on the sport.

Society in this case is actually not acting inappropriately IMO which is highly unusual. There is very little hyperbole that I have seen, and no calls for massive crazy legislative movements. Simply outrage at violent actions and an apparent cover-up that followed.[/quote]

But what is it you want from him ,did he make mistakes , yes ,never said he didn't, did he admit to them ,yes he did .Yet you act like you didn't know this sort of thing went on and that is what I have a problem with ,many of you want to hang him out and make him the poster boy, sorry ,won't wash .What are you going to do boycott the NFL ,not watch a game ,not shop at a store ,not buy a beer . Fans don't do that for the NBA ,MLB etc ,why is the NFL different ?

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1084150]But what is it you want from him ,did he make mistakes , yes ,never said he didn't, did he admit to them ,yes he did .Yet you act like you didn't know this sort of thing went on and that is what I have a problem with ,many of you want to hang him out and make him the poster boy, sorry ,won't wash .What are you going to do boycott the NFL ,not watch a game ,not shop at a store ,not buy a beer . Fans don't do that for the NBA ,MLB etc ,why is the NFL different ?[/QUOTE]
Your ability to create impressive strawman arguments shine again.
First you make the argument solely about Goodell- it is not. As Smoot laid out there are several depths to the wrong decisions and actions that deserve objective criticism and sanctions.
2nd you ask the second most useless question on the internet "What would you do" . The point is Goodell, and many others throughout various levels of the NFL were in positions to act and failed.
Finally you raise up as the supposed only option one of boycotting the NFL. Surely sponsors pulling promotions affects NFL behavior and one reason the sponsors did that was because of possible consumer backlash. But even more importantly, this isn't something should require fan action and saying we can't boycott thus nothing more should be done is a simple fallacious argument.

Total number on my ignore list as of now: a giant 1

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Laying hands on your adult spouse is domestic abuse. Laying hands on a small, defenseless child is discipline. Go figure.

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Ray Rice should be severely punished because what he did was unconscionable. But Newsome, Bisciotti, Cass, and Goodell came across as pieces of garbage too.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11552758/thousands-line-exchange-ray-rice-jerseys]Thousands line up to exchange Ray Rice jerseys - ESPN[/url]

The part I find mildly humerous is that a lot of the fans traded in their Rice jerseys for Suggs jerseys. Thats like trading in a Rae Carruth jersey for an OJ Simpson one.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;1084157][url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11552758/thousands-line-exchange-ray-rice-jerseys]Thousands line up to exchange Ray Rice jerseys - ESPN[/url]

The part I find mildly humerous is that a lot of the fans traded in their Rice jerseys for Suggs jerseys. Thats like trading in a Rae Carruth jersey for an OJ Simpson one.[/quote]

No doubt, if the NFL is serious about taking out the trash, Suggs should be in the first wave.

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Like Matty said, when did the NFL become the "whipping boy" for all of society's problems. BTW, Hope Solo is allowed to play for the women's national team and she is facing domestic violence charges, but people don't really care. Welcome to the double standard of America. The sad part is that in about 6-8 weeks no one will give a damn because we will be on the cusp of the Aaron Hernandez trial.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1084179]Like Matty said, when did the NFL become the "whipping boy" for all of society's problems. BTW, Hope Solo is allowed to play for the women's national team and she is facing domestic violence charges, but people don't really care. Welcome to the double standard of America. The sad part is that in about 6-8 weeks no one will give a damn because we will be on the cusp of the Aaron Hernandez trial.[/quote]


This .

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1084153]Your ability to create impressive strawman arguments shine again.
First you make the argument solely about Goodell- it is not. As Smoot laid out there are several depths to the wrong decisions and actions that deserve objective criticism and sanctions.
2nd you ask the second most useless question on the internet "What would you do" . The point is Goodell, and many others throughout various levels of the NFL were in positions to act and failed.
Finally you raise up as the supposed only option one of boycotting the NFL. Surely sponsors pulling promotions affects NFL behavior and one reason the sponsors did that was because of possible consumer backlash. But even more importantly, this isn't something should require fan action and saying we can't boycott thus nothing more should be done is a simple fallacious argument.

Total number on my ignore list as of now: a giant 1[/quote]

You seem to spin it a differently than I put it out there but I'm sorry I don't see it your way .

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There's blame to go around. The NFL can't help that Ray Rice hit his wife or that AP beats children now that it's already happened, but they can keep those particular guys from playing again and can use long suspensions(not 2 effing games) or indefinite bans to deter other players from trying the same shananigans. And then, of course, there's also this thing of the NFL and the Ravens trying to cover the Rice incident up... So yeah, blame to go around...

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1084179]Like Matty said, when did the NFL become the "whipping boy" for all of society's problems. BTW, Hope Solo is allowed to play for the women's national team and she is facing domestic violence charges, but people don't really care. Welcome to the double standard of America. The sad part is that in about 6-8 weeks no one will give a damn because we will be on the cusp of the Aaron Hernandez trial.[/quote]

It's how the righteous work. They pick and choose who they mob against. Criticize their tactics, point out their hypocrisy, or highlight any incorrect facts or ignorance and they add you to their list.

These people just want to think they're a part of something 'good' without actually, you know, being a [i]part[/i] of something. So they click like, they retweet, they get all riled up. But they don't actually [i]do[/i] anything.

Sometimes good comes from it. Maybe this time it will. But their track record is pretty poor.

The media eats up and uses it to direct ratings and clicks their way. So it spirals out of control.

We'll see. The NFL cover up story exposed by ESPN is quite damning... I think there's probably a few people that should lose their jobs based on that report. So on one hand I kind of applaud the righteous I so loathe, on the other I can't help but laugh that they've ignored so many domestic violence issues in the past and even in this case it took an actual video to get outraged (the level of outrage was nothing compared to this when the story broke.) In some twisted irony most of the righteous are guilty of the exact same thing they accuse Goodell and the Ravens of - Not giving enough of a shit and needing a video of the actual punch to understand how awful domestic violence is.

Goodell and the Ravens have already admitted their mistake in that regard. The Righteous never will...

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What doomed President Nixon was not the initial crimes he had others commit for him, it was when he ordered the FBI and CIA to stop investigating. The Coverup, the obstruction of justice is what forced his resignation.
When the most powerful man in the most powerful sport does not personally insist to see elevator footage that he knows exists, he closes his eyes, that is the issue.
When blaming the NFL FO in what they did wrong, it is not about focusing on the crime Rice committed or domestic violence, it is about the joke of investigation that covered their eyes to protect the brand. Thus unintentionally condoning the crime and further acts of domestic.

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[quote=tshile;1084195]It's how the righteous work. They pick and choose who they mob against. Criticize their tactics, point out their hypocrisy, or highlight any incorrect facts or ignorance and they add you to their list.

These people just want to think they're a part of something 'good' without actually, you know, being a [i]part[/i] of something. So they click like, they retweet, they get all riled up. But they don't actually [i]do[/i] anything.

Sometimes good comes from it. Maybe this time it will. But their track record is pretty poor.

The media eats up and uses it to direct ratings and clicks their way. So it spirals out of control.

We'll see. The NFL cover up story exposed by ESPN is quite damning... I think there's probably a few people that should lose their jobs based on that report. So on one hand I kind of applaud the righteous I so loathe, on the other I can't help but laugh that they've ignored so many domestic violence issues in the past and even in this case it took an actual video to get outraged (the level of outrage was nothing compared to this when the story broke.) In some twisted irony most of the righteous are guilty of the exact same thing they accuse Goodell and the Ravens of - Not giving enough of a shit and needing a video of the actual punch to understand how awful domestic violence is.

Goodell and the Ravens have already admitted their mistake in that regard. The Righteous never will...[/quote]

Out of curiosity, what have you done to help abused women?