Re: Not drafting a QB a mistake?
 

[quote=30gut;1114305]Um yeah obviously jumping a prospect up some 60 odd spots because of a run at that position is unwise. Its also something I didn't suggest. So yeah describing an obviously poor decision doesn't have anything to do with what I was saying. Its not quite a strawman but its close.

An example of adjusting a draft board at a position happened with WRs the past 2 seasons. A team might have a say a 2nd round grade on Nelson Agoholor or Kelvin Benjamin but based on how the draft played out if you didn't take them round 1 you weren't getting them.


I don't understand your point here.

The draft is fluid not static.

There are many different scenarios and situations at play that are interrelated and require different means of management. So sure sometimes Bill's idiom of 'better 1 round early then 1 pick' is the right approach for certain situations or like a Russell Wilson and many other Seattle "reaches" or sometimes waiting on a hidden gem that your scouts and coaching staff have identified undervalued is the right play as in a Alfred Morris or a Keenan Robinson.[/quote]

Listening to the Seattle brain trust, they never considered themselves reaching for Wilson. They picked him where they rated him. They just consider themselves better talent evaluators than the rest, which hasnt been proven false as of yet.

The same is very possible for the 2 WRs you listed. You are basing a team reaching on pundits or your own opinion. Can you guarantee that no team had Benjamin or Agohlor as a 1st rounder, even if late in the round? You say that boards were altered the last 2 drafts based on WRs as if it were fact, then go on a story that starts with might. You present it as fact, then tell a story thats based on assumption.

Re: Not drafting a QB a mistake?
 

[quote=That Guy;1114307]really, cause i've yet to see you state a name. someone else mentioned grayson, and that's been it.[/quote]If you haven't been following the thread that's your issue. You are telling me to do something I've already done in this thread. Maybe if you asked instead of making, and repeating a false claim I would be more inclined to restate. But obviously by the tone of your post really not interested in a discussion, which is fine too.


[quote]if you're not going to put up, then it's probably time to stop this pointless exercise. [/quote]By all means feel free stop posting if its a poontless exercise, no one is twisting your arm.

[quote]either there's someone that would be better than who we've got or there isn't.[/quote]What you done here is create a false standard for draft picks. Its a fiction. No one 'knows' what will happen with any draft pick. And it kinda makes your stance disingenuous.

Re: Not drafting a QB a mistake?
 

[quote=Skinzman;1114308]Listening to the Seattle brain trust, they never considered themselves reaching for Wilson. They picked him where they rated him. They just consider themselves better talent evaluators than the rest, which hasnt been proven false as of yet.[/quote]Your playing semantics here. Of course the team doing the picking doesn't consider their draft selection a reach, that's obvious.
Draft media have often referred to Seattle picks as 'reaches' in the past but the term 'reach' when it comes to the draft is subjective just like the term 'value' its a relative each of the 32 teams.

Re: Not drafting a QB a mistake?
 

I think not drafting Bart Simpson was a mistake.

Sent from my S6 Edge

Re: Not drafting a QB a mistake?
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1114331]I think not drafting Bart Simpson was a mistake.

Sent from my S6 Edge[/quote]

It was an ever greater mistake to miss out on Nelson Muntz
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Re: Not drafting a QB a mistake?
 

We could have drafted these three guys.
But, nooooooo....

[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/bawanaal/stooges18-1.jpg[/img]

Re: Not drafting a QB a mistake?
 

I'll be glad when preseason starts so we can start hitting Posters from other teams. Where's Sandandcrap Jack??!!!

Re: Not drafting a QB a mistake?
 

[quote=30gut;1114312]If you haven't been following the thread that's your issue. You are telling me to do something I've already done in this thread. Maybe if you asked instead of making, and repeating a false claim I would be more inclined to restate. But obviously by the tone of your post really not interested in a discussion, which is fine too.[/quote]


great, either show me where you cited an actual draft prospect's ame or repeat it, cause i don't see it. telling me to find something that doesn't exist is stupid.

you're obviously not interested in a discussion though, since all you seem to be capable of is deflecting instead of actually trying to move the conversation forward.

[quote=30gut]What you done here is create a false standard for draft picks. Its a fiction. No one 'knows' what will happen with any draft pick.[/quote]

what you've done here is fail to recognize context. you can't predict the future? well, no s$%#. I was asking what prospect you see that has more upside than kirk cousins. cause if they don't project a ceiling or show they're better than him in 2 years, the pick would be a total waste. if they aren't starting here though, they really aren't helping us all that much - hence my position. but i have a feeling you're trying to play with context and semantics here to avoid actually having to back up your claim with any kind of observable statement that could later be proven wrong... yet again.

Re: Not drafting a QB a mistake?
 

[quote=That Guy;1114348]...but i have a feeling.[/quote]Sure.

Re: Not drafting a QB a mistake?
 

[quote=Alvin Walton;1114333]We could have drafted these three guys.
But, nooooooo....

[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/bawanaal/stooges18-1.jpg[/img][/quote]We need those guys to replace the current referees.
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They couldn't do any worse, than Hochuli, Booger, and the other refs we have now!

Re: Not drafting a QB a mistake?
 

Are people still discussing this nonsense? Drafting a QB this year would have been foolish when other areas of need were much more pressing. Nobody coming out at the QB position would have been any better than what we currently have at the position. We aren't in a position that our team is loaded where we can waste picks on the next Tom Brady. You want to know why Tom was as good as he was? Because he was drafted to a team that was already solid. We are not.

Re: Not drafting a QB a mistake?
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1114412]Are people still discussing this nonsense? Drafting a QB this year would have been foolish when other areas of need were much more pressing. Nobody coming out at the QB position would have been any better than what we currently have at the position. We aren't in a position that our team is loaded where we can waste picks on the next Tom Brady. You want to know why Tom was as good as he was? Because he was drafted to a team that was already solid. We are not.[/quote]

The 2000 Patriots were 5-11 with a franchise Qb, one win better than the 2014 Redskins. Doesn't seem like they were a real solid team.

Re: Not drafting a QB a mistake?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1114414]The 2000 Patriots were 5-11 with a franchise Qb, one win better than the 2014 Redskins. Doesn't seem like they were a real solid team.[/quote]

That team was 4 years removed from a Super Bowl and two playoff appearances after that SB loss. They were 9-7 and 8-8 the years prior. That team wasn't bad like that 5-11 record indicates either. Pete Carroll wasn't a good coach at the time to say the least.

Re: Not drafting a QB a mistake?
 

Just gonna address some points that were made in a recent post in the aim of discussion...


-We have other areas of need

Teams always have other areas of at any position both in the short term and the long term. You can make the 'other areas of need' argument for any position. And specifically in our case here its a tough argument to sell that RB or WR or LB is more of need then back-up and developmental QB since we have [I][B][U]no[/U][/B][/I] QBs on signed past this season.



-Nobody coming out would have been better then what we already have

Obviously no one knows what any draft picks will become. Don't see the logic in an argument that assumes you know the outcome one way or another.
Further, its also a strawman because I haven't stated the reason to draft a QB is to compete with the QBs we currently have.



-The current team isn't 'loaded' to warrant drafting a QB

Since when does a team need to be 'loaded' to warrant drafting a developmental or other QB?



-Drafting a development QB is a 'wasted' pick

Should I name the litany of developmental QBs (especially WCO) that weren't 'wasted' picks? And the rate of success for any developmental player after the 3rd round is going to be low regardless of position. So whatever position drafted in rounds 4-7 could be viewed as 'wasted' picks.

Re: Not drafting a QB a mistake?
 

:bdh: