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If Keenum was playing as bad as Eli, then yes I think you can start to entertain the idea of starting Haskins.

Eli - 62.9% comp %, 556 yds, 2 tds 2 ints, 37.9 QBR

Case - 69.1%, 601 yds, 5 tds 0 ints, 71 QBR

2 sacks = perhaps Keenums 2nd best stat after 0 ints.
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Jay isnt that bad. For the utter crap he has to work with on the O, he is making lemonade out of lemons. When he had teh weapons (kirk, d jax, garcon, reed) we had a top 5 passing offense.

Jay feels like Kyle Shannahan around here .. a talented offensive mind being blamed for things outside of his control.

I am fairly certain Jay had 0 say in his D coordinators, trading for Alex Smith, and Callahan has major say in the run game weekly gameplans.

I feel like Jay only gets 100% control over the passing game .. and the passing game is our only strength right now and he is doing it with limited resources and a bare cupboard.

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[quote=SunnySide;1230990]If Keenum was playing as bad as Eli, then yes I think you can start to entertain the idea of starting Haskins.

Eli - 62.9% comp %, 556 yds, 2 tds 2 ints, 37.9 QBR

Case - 69.1%, 601 yds, 5 tds 0 ints, 71 QBR

2 sacks = perhaps Keenums 2nd best stat after 0 ints.
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Jay isnt that bad. For the utter crap he has to work with on the O, he is making lemonade out of lemons. [B]When he had teh weapons (kirk, d jax, garcon, reed) we had a top 5 passing offense[/B].

Jay feels like Kyle Shannahan around here .. a talented offensive mind being blamed for things outside of his control.

I am fairly certain Jay had 0 say in his D coordinators, trading for Alex Smith, and Callahan has major say in the run game weekly gameplans.

I feel like Jay only gets 100% control over the passing game .. and the passing game is our only strength right now and he is doing it with limited resources and a bare cupboard.[/quote]


He also had McVay.

Keenum has also had two dropped Ints, lets not act like Keenum is playing like 2013 Peyton right now

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1230986]The Bears still have no Passing TDs , the only team without one lol, watch Mitch toss 3 tonight[/quote]

easily, this defensive scheme couldn't stop a high school team

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1230991]He also had McVay.

Keenum has also had two dropped Ints, lets not act like Keenum is playing like 2013 Peyton right now[/quote]

And he's missed 3 HUGE plays downfield, 2 for Terry and 1 For PR

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[quote=SunnySide;1230990]If Keenum was playing as bad as Eli, then yes I think you can start to entertain the idea of starting Haskins.

Eli - 62.9% comp %, 556 yds, 2 tds 2 ints, 37.9 QBR

Case - 69.1%, 601 yds, 5 tds 0 ints, 71 QBR

2 sacks = perhaps Keenums 2nd best stat after 0 ints.
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Jay isnt that bad. For the utter crap he has to work with on the O, he is making lemonade out of lemons. When he had teh weapons (kirk, d jax, garcon, reed) we had a top 5 passing offense.

Jay feels like Kyle Shannahan around here .. a talented offensive mind being blamed for things outside of his control.

I am fairly certain Jay had 0 say in his D coordinators, trading for Alex Smith, and Callahan has major say in the run game weekly gameplans.

I feel like Jay only gets 100% control over the passing game .. and the passing game is our only strength right now and he is doing it with limited resources and a bare cupboard.[/quote]

whats jays record tho? no thanks. he and manusky can gtfo

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[quote=jamf;1230989]You're not wrong but it's a shame we have to look at spending another top 5 draft pick on a LT while this team could use a blue chip player at a skill position.[/quote]

As long as we pick the right guy, I'm ok with spending the pick on a LT. That can be a lockdown position for 10 years.

But we do have a lot of holes besides LT to fill. Hopefully the extra pick(s) if we can trade Trent will help. Feels like we're a long ways from having good roster. Need at least 1 RB (depending on Loves rehab), 2 TEs, RT (I'd cut Moses), 1 or 2 CBs, FS, MLB. Probably missing a couple others. Shit is depressing. But if you have good draft and get a couple FAs you can fill a good amount of them.

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[quote=SunnySide;1230990]
Jay isnt that bad. For the utter crap he has to work with on the O, he is making lemonade out of lemons. When he had teh weapons (kirk, d jax, garcon, reed) we had a top 5 passing offense.

I feel like Jay only gets 100% control over the passing game .. and the passing game is our only strength right now and he is doing it with limited resources and a bare cupboard.[/quote]
This is the problem. Jay has control of the passing game, no idea what the fuck is going on with the running game/blocking. 6 Seasons in and still no blocking TE, Full back, or successful running game.
Running game is last in the NFL right now and total offense is 25th in yards per game.

If you are dazzled by just a mediocre passing game and that's enough for you then I got a 400lb girl with big juggs that would like to get with you.

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[quote=jamf;1230997]This is the problem. Jay has control of the passing game, no idea what the fuck is going on with the running game/blocking. 6 Seasons in and still no blocking TE, Full back, or successful running game.
Running game is last in the NFL right now and total offense is 25th in yards per game.

If you are dazzled by just a mediocre passing game and that's enough for you then[B] I got a 400lb girl with big jugged Juggalette[/B] that would like to get with you.[/quote]

right on

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[quote=Meks;1230995]whats jays record tho? no thanks. he and manusky can gtfo[/quote]

What was Mike and Kyles record here? What was Belichick's record in Cleveland? Or McVays here?

Jay is good offensive coach imo, he can scheme and I give him credit for working with probably a bottom 3 surrounding cast and players.

We credit Terry Mclaurin for looking good in 2 games but give Jay no credit for that. What Jay has done the past 2 weeks w Case and this roster is admirable imo but it seems like we cant compartamentalize the different parts to this whole. Record sucks so every part of the whole sucks. Seems broad brush to me.

The passing game is the one thing that has been doing well so far and that is the one thing Jay truly has control over .. yet he sucks and we want o replace Case w a rookie bc the Giants repalced eli w Jones.

I like Kyle and Mike Shannahan. But much like their tenure here .. this place is rotten and toxic and its time for jay to move on as well. Not because he is a bad coach, he would be a great OC but perhaps not a HC, but bc this place is cancerous.

Can we at least agree that Jay is a good pass offense coach?

Quakes - I never said he was playing like Peyton 2013, I said he is playing better than Eli 2019.

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[quote=SunnySide;1230999]
We credit Terry Mclaurin for looking good in 2 games but give Jay no credit for that.
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Are you giving Jay "credit" for Terrell Pryor and Josh Doctsons breakout seasons?

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[quote=jamf;1230997]This is the problem. Jay has control of the passing game, no idea what the fuck is going on with the running game/blocking. [B]6 Seasons in and still no blocking TE, Full back, or successful running game. [/B]
Running game is last in the NFL right now and total offense is 25th in yards per game.

If you are dazzled by just a mediocre passing game and that's enough for you then I got a 400lb girl with big juggs that would like to get with you.[/quote]

If you listen to interviews and sports radio around the DMV for the last 6 years .. that is all Callahan. No DY = Callahan. No FB = Callahan.

Jay's problem was he agreed to be the coach but has 0 power. I read comments where people are saying Jay is to blame for hiring Manunsky or bc he doesnt fire Manunsky. Im amazed people think jay has any say so what so ever on who his D Coord is .. or who his starting QB is.

Jay needs to go bc the stink from head to toe is rotten but no single coach can come in and win consistently under this organizational chart.

Jay deserves better. Not that he is some great coach but he is decent and decent is better than the people around him in this organization.

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[quote=jamf;1231000]Are you giving Jay "credit" for Terrell Pryor and Josh Doctsons breakout seasons?[/quote]

I give Jay credit for canning that Pryor experiment 2 games into the season.

Are we blaming Jay for things he had 0 control over like signing Pryor or drafting Doctson?

Im not even a huge Jay fan but the comments around here make it seem like people think jay has total control over the roster or defense. He has ZERO control over the roster decisions and defense or who is coaching defense.

I feel bad for Jay just like I felt bad for Mike and Kyle.

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Jay ic an OC, not a head coach, and he's a marginal OC at best. He's predictable, his play calling is wildly inconsistent and cute at times, he doesnt bend to players stregnths rather his own ego and confidence in his scheme, which is average at best, and all around just a fucking bum dude needs to go, period. If youre ok with mediocrity thats on you. I and a lot of other folks juist aren't. Same goes for the DC Manusky, its not just Gruden and manusky is by far the fucking worst so keeping him around also falls on gruden. he's a lame duck doesnt have the balls it takes to win or run a team, thats all. Nothing personal jay, but youre not what we want here.

The difference between jay and mike and kyle is that jay will lay down to DS and BA and they flat out wouldnt - hence why jay has lasted longer, hes not the type of coach mike was, and as an orginization if you dont PAY MCVAY and let him walk out the door in favor of gruden? fuck this orginzation.

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[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/09/22/booger-mcfarland-redskins-defense-iconic-fedex-field-bruce-allen/[/url]

"Booger McFarland on the Redskins’ defense, ‘iconic’ FedEx Field and Bruce Allen"

lololololololololololol

Fed ex is an Iconic Shithole Booger...with a ton of other fans especially from rivals. Bruce Allen doing a good job?

FFS...im turning the sound down tonight

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Did not understand the pass Sunny wants to give Gruden. He’s the head coach. Maybe he doesn’t control everything, but if you think he has no control over anything other than the passing game, what is the evidence of that? And what Coach in his right mind would accept that situation?

He’s a decent coordinator but lousy head coach. You are what your record says you are. And his record is lousy. Period.

Don’t get me wrong - the Snyder and Allen would make this job incredibly hard. But Gruden doesn’t get a pass. If you think he should, explain how the second half is so uniformly a disaster. A decent coach can plan for a week in advance and get things rolling. But good coaches make adjustments and find ways to win. Perhaps I’m spoiled having grown up in the Gibbs era as there was no one better. But there’s simply no defending Jay’s second half record - and if he can be successful (marginally) in the first half with the same personnel, the second half implosions are on him. What, do they just run out of gas? C’mon man.


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