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[quote=SC Skins Fan;649368]You are overreaching by a large margin with those expectations, but a trade is the best case scenario at this point.

One thing I have realized this year is that if you have to consistently make excuses for a quarterback then you do not have a very good player.[/quote]

You do realize the Skins could put a 1st/3rd tender on him just so if another team wants him they'd have to pay the price right? You need to stop looking at this through the eyes of a biased 'Skins fan and see how he might be evaluated around the league. Look at him from a different franchise' perspective: He's still young, got decent starter experience, has experienced growth in almost all major statistics since he became the starter, and is deserving of the benefit of the doubt because the franchise is disheveled and he had to deal with a crappy o-line and changing playcallers midseason.

And one thing I've learned this year is we can talk all day about how bad/good a quarterback is, but it doesn't mean jack shit as to how he's evaluated around the league. You see trades go on all the time where one team gets fleeced but they still think they got the good end of a deal. Weirder things have happened in this league and they will continue to happen.

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;649741]Good catch Slingin' Sammy, Clausen is rated a franchise caliber QB, but will he be available at #4? I don't think so. I also question his Pro potential. Brady Quinn, also from Notre Dame was highly rated and is still hasn't fully developed. If Clausen is so good, why did Notre Dame struggle so much. I'm not sold on this quarterback draft class. The Redskins need to draft a left tackle in the first round. I like Russell Okung, Oklahoma State and Bruce Campbell, Maryland.[/quote]Read the link to the blog. It explains in detail why Clausen has the tools to be a franchise caliber NFL QB, despite ND struggles this year. If Clausen (and Suh) is gone, I agree we should go LT.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;649953]Read the link to the blog. It explains in detail why Clausen has the tools to be a franchise caliber NFL QB, despite ND struggles this year. If Clausen (and Suh) is gone, I agree we should go LT.[/quote]

I am hoping that Suh is still there at #4 because he is one player that teams would be willing to trade up for.

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;649741]Good catch Slingin' Sammy, Clausen is rated a franchise caliber QB, but will he be available at #4? I don't think so. I also question his Pro potential. Brady Quinn, also from Notre Dame was highly rated and is still hasn't fully developed. If Clausen is so good, why did Notre Dame struggle so much. I'm not sold on this quarterback draft class. The Redskins need to draft a left tackle in the first round. I like Russell Okung, Oklahoma State and Bruce Campbell, Maryland.[/quote]
They considered just calling them N after this year since the D never showed up.

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Yes. Because an inexperience rookie QB behind a bad offensive line is a bad combination. The Redskins need to worry about the foundation of this team. Campbell has actually played pretty decent when he's had time to throw the ball.

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I'm indifferent for the most part. Shanahan will likely inflate his stats again due to a combination of coaching and how Shanahan runs the WCO, but I doubt his accuracy problems are realistically fixable.

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[quote=SmootSmack;649766]He'll be there if the Rams don't take him. The concern I have with Clausen is his limited time as a successful college QB. Still, I wouldn't mind getting him at all. ND struggled because they had No D. They scored 30 points over 6 times this year I think and I'm not sure they won any of those games (don't quote me on that)[/quote]Clausen also has had experience playing behind a line that can't block anyone, but he didn't get successful until that line learned how to pick up a basic blitz.

With that said, I'm not sure what is to be gained by drafting Jimmy Clausen. Could we win with him? I think we could. Could we win because of him? Hasn't worked for anyone in the past.

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[quote=mooby;649895][B]You do realize the Skins could put a 1st/3rd tender on him just so if another team wants him they'd have to pay the price right?[/B] You need to stop looking at this through the eyes of a biased 'Skins fan and see how he might be evaluated around the league. Look at him from a different franchise' perspective: He's still young, got decent starter experience, has experienced growth in almost all major statistics since he became the starter, and is deserving of the benefit of the doubt because the franchise is disheveled and he had to deal with a crappy o-line and changing playcallers midseason.

And one thing I've learned this year is we can talk all day about how bad/good a quarterback is, but it doesn't mean jack shit as to how he's evaluated around the league. You see trades go on all the time where one team gets fleeced but they still think they got the good end of a deal. Weirder things have happened in this league and they will continue to happen.[/quote]

Just because you tender someone at that level it doesn't mean you're going to get that in return. It's basically just a starting off point for the negotiations. I think it's pretty safe to say nobody is going to give up a 1st and a 3rd for JC.

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[quote=WaldSkins;649965]I am hoping that Suh is still there at #4 because he is one player that teams would be willing to trade up for.[/quote]

If Suh is still available, what we need to do is use the threat of drafting him to trade the spot for multiple, good picks.

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[quote=mooby;649895]You do realize the Skins could put a 1st/3rd tender on him just so if another team wants him they'd have to pay the price right? You need to stop looking at this through the eyes of a biased 'Skins fan and see how he might be evaluated around the league. Look at him from a different franchise' perspective: He's still young, got decent starter experience, has experienced growth in almost all major statistics since he became the starter, and is deserving of the benefit of the doubt because the franchise is disheveled and he had to deal with a crappy o-line and changing playcallers midseason.

And one thing I've learned this year is we can talk all day about how bad/good a quarterback is, but[B] it doesn't mean jack shit as to how he's evaluated around the league. You see trades go on all the time where one[/B] [B]team gets fleeced but they still think they got the good end of a deal[/B]. Weirder things have happened in this league and they will continue to happen.[/quote]
how about Schroeder(sp?) to the raiders for Jim Lachey? and more recently, Cutler to the bears for a couple of very high picks( i forget exactly what picks they were, but i think a couple of first rounders) and buster, over the last portion of the season, you were one of Campbell's biggest supporters. are you still?

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[quote=RedskinsfaninBaltimore;650070]Yes. Because an inexperience rookie QB behind a bad offensive line is a bad combination. The Redskins need to worry about the foundation of this team. Campbell has actually played pretty decent when he's had time to throw the ball.[/quote]

You think he played well the first 4 or 5 games of the season when he was one of the least sacked QBs in the league? Against the Chefs? That said, I do like how he played down the stretch, but I'm tired of everyone blaming the line for EVERYTHING. There are other issues. He hasn't been all that consistent when the line has been in tact and playing well.

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[quote=dmek25;650351]how about Schroeder(sp?) to the raiders for Jim Lachey? and more recently, Cutler to the bears for a couple of very high picks( i forget exactly what picks they were, but i think a couple of first rounders) and buster, over the last portion of the season, you were one of Campbell's biggest supporters. are you still?[/quote]

Yes.

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[quote=Mattyk;650118]Just because you tender someone at that level it doesn't mean you're going to get that in return. It's basically just a starting off point for the negotiations. I think it's pretty safe to say nobody is going to give up a 1st and a 3rd for JC.[/quote]

Honestly, if we COULD get a first and third for him, I'd take it, even being a big supporter of JC's.

We could draft 2 first-round linemen (2 tackles!) and use the second-round pick on a QB not named Bradford or Tebow. Then, use our new third-rounder that we were previously missing on either another lineman, a RB or a LB.

That way we could bolster the line AND get a QB.

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There are only 10 quarterbacks who week end and week out get the job done. The rest have warts and get flambéed by fans and the media like JC. Let’s stick with JC.........

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[quote=44Deezel;650360]You think he played well the first 4 or 5 games of the season when he was one of the least sacked QBs in the league? Against the Chefs? [B]That said, I do like how he played down the stretch, but I'm tired of everyone blaming the line for EVERYTHING[/B]. [B]There are other issues.[/B] [B]He hasn't been all that consistent when the line has been in tact and playing well[/B].[/quote]

Yes, I agree. And campbell's been very inconsistent. I don't like the idea of having a quarterback who plays inconsistent and has trust & confidence issues.

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[quote=44Deezel;650360]You think he played well the first 4 or 5 games of the season when he was one of the least sacked QBs in the league? Against the Chefs? That said, I do like how he played down the stretch, but I'm tired of everyone blaming the line for EVERYTHING. There are other issues. He hasn't been all that consistent [B]when the line has been in tact and playing well[/B].[/quote]

You're going to have to jog my memory Deezel, I can't remember that.

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From the hint Bruce Allen dropped, I wouldn't be one bit surprised to see JC on our roster next year [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/Since%20Campbell,%20playing%20behind%20an%20awful%20line,%20finished%2015th%20in%20the%20NFL%20in%20passer%20rating,%2014th%20in%20yards%20and%2018th%20in%20touchdown%20passes,%20that%27s%20at%20least%20a%20semi-hug%20from%20the%20new%20GM.%20If%20Allen%20thinks%20Campbell%27s%20best%20football%20is%20ahead%20of%20him%20and%20he%27s%20already%20rated%20in%20front%20of%20half%20the%20starters%20in%20the%20NFL,%20how%20much%20better%20can%20you%20do?"](from Boswell's article)[/URL]:

"He's got a lot of starts (51) and seen a lot of looks, and he hasn't played his best football yet."

Since Campbell, playing behind an awful line, finished 15th in the NFL in passer rating, 14th in yards and 18th in touchdown passes, that's at least a semi-hug from the new GM. If Allen thinks Campbell's best football is ahead of him and he's already rated in front of half the starters in the NFL, how much better can you do?

That doesn't sound like a GM who is ready to dump his QB.

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Who cares if Campbell stays or not. The whole thing is still a 50/50 proposition that the new crew can turn it around.

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GM, i really believe it will be Shanahan that makes the call on this. his opinion on how he can work with Campbell will go a long way

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Especially now. Bring back JC. Just please give him an OL a #1 WR and a change of pace HB.

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[quote=Eriwar;650382]There are only 10 quarterbacks who week end and week out get the job done. The rest have warts and get flambéed by fans and the media like JC. Let’s stick with JC.........[/quote]

Ringing endorsement?

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I would like to see JC back but if MS wants to go in another direction...I'm fine with it. I was listening to 980 5 min ago and a guy mentioned Sage Rosenfels coming over because he knows the system most likely to be implemented. I don’t care what happens as long as we win………

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I would take Sage, cut Collins, and let Sage and JC battle it out for the starting job. And let's add a rookie somewhere in the draft as the #3 to develop.

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[quote=Mattyk;651039]I would take Sage, cut Collins, and let Sage and JC battle it out for the starting job. And let's add a rookie somewhere in the draft as the #3 to develop.[/quote]

Where does Colt Brennan fit in? :D

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[quote=Buster;651110]Where does Colt Brennan fit in? :D[/quote]
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[quote=Buster;651110]Where does Colt Brennan fit in? :D[/quote]

Colt was Zorn's QB i think he gets the ax too.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;651122]Colt was Zorn's QB i think he gets the ax too.[/quote]

Or Vinny's. :D

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[quote=Buster;651110]Where does Colt Brennan fit in? :D[/quote]

Practice squad?

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lol oh man, remember that drama?

jeesh

Re: Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?
 

No, I think he has had enough of a chance to prove himself. I think we need a better player to lead our offense. He seems to have to many issues and doesnt tend to make smart plays. The problem with his "game sense" is that he's going to throw for 6 on 3rd and 11 instead of a down field pass.

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Yup, although I doubt that he's a long-term answer at qb.

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If you made JC sit and watch film of Kurt Warner dropping back and making quick decisions on who to throw to, then maybe he'd be better next year. Otherwise, he's still too slow in making decsisons, and often overlooks wide open receivers. But I vote yes to keep him because I don't know whether any of the top four QB's in the draft are going to be (or remain) healthy.

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[quote=53Fan;650472]You're going to have to jog my memory Deezel, I can't remember that.[/quote]

He was in the bottom third of the league in sacks AFTER week 5 AND played some of the worst Defenses in the league... maybe of all time. He was hardly running for his life against the likes of the Rams, Chiefs and Lions. He's not totally blameless and doesn't always need people making excuses for him. I'm in the keep him camp, but hold him as accountable as anyone for the crappy start of the season. That said, he showed a lot in the second half and should be brought back. IMO.

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Huge difference in threads Mattyk

unlock the one I just created.

this one asks If you want JC on the team, mine asks if you want him as our starting QB (leaving the idea open of keeping him but having someone else as our starter...which is what I want to hear about who the else is) This thread is 24 pages long anyway, and does it really hurt to have a new thread created no.

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We've beaten the topic to death, move on.

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I think the point is we have enough JC discussion threads. We have this, we have the ESPN report, we have the PopTart discussion. If there is any more that needs to be said about JC one of these places ought to work. Of course maybe I could start a thread about whether we need more JC discussion. Get a poll, find out how many people want to really hash through the depths and concepts of JC as a Redskin

Mods, can I get a poll!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;664132]I think the point is we have enough JC discussion threads. We have this, we have the ESPN report, we have the [B]PopTart discussion[/B]. If there is any more that needs to be said about JC one of these places ought to work. Of course maybe I could start a thread about whether we need more JC discussion. Get a poll, find out how many people want to really hash through the depths and concepts of JC as a Redskin

Mods, can I get a poll![/quote]

I don't think JC should eat too many Pop Tarts. It makes him less mobile in the pocket and affects his accuracy.

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[quote=Mattyk;664128]We've beaten the topic to death, move on.[/quote]

Well being that the draft is just around the corner why don't re ask the question with people having the thoughts of getting a QB like Bradford or Clausen and seeing if they like them more than JC. We should close this thread and open up the new thread.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;664132]I think the point is we have enough JC discussion threads. We have this, we have the ESPN report, we have the PopTart discussion. If there is any more that needs to be said about JC one of these places ought to work. Of course maybe I could start a thread about whether we need more JC discussion. Get a poll, find out how many people want to really hash through the depths and concepts of JC as a Redskin

[B]Mods, can I get a poll[/B]![/quote]

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[quote=CultBrennan59;664126]Huge difference in threads Mattyk

unlock the one I just created.

this one asks If you want JC on the team, mine asks if you want him as our starting QB (leaving the idea open of keeping him but having someone else as our starter...which is what I want to hear about who the else is) This thread is 24 pages long anyway, and does it really hurt to have a new thread created no.[/quote]


Are you ordering around the boss? Do you know what happens when someone does that?