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[quote=SBXVII;676276]LOL.......

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/18/grossman-wants-to-start/]Grossman wants to start | ProFootballTalk.com[/url][/quote]

everyone wants to start

if a QB told me "I just wanna stand on the sidelines and hold a clipboard" I'd cut him immediately

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;676292]i dont see how PFT took any liberties with what was in the ESPN article. they both basically said the same thing. what am i missing?[/quote]

I don't know either

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;676292]i dont see how PFT took any liberties with what was in the ESPN article. they both basically said the same thing. what am i missing?[/quote]

your right, i read both articles, made my comment. read your comment, re-read both articles and they do say pretty much the same thing. the titles of the article show a contrast. espn title: he wants to be in the mix. PFT article: he wants to start. when i clicked on the PFT article the first time i expected him to say he wants to start for the skins. clicking on the espn article he says he definetly thinks he can be a starter again.

i would say PFT did dangle a misleading cliff-hanging title there, but i was wrong.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;676292]i dont see how PFT took any liberties with what was in the ESPN article. they both basically said the same thing. what am i missing?[/quote]

[quote=PFT]
The 29-year-old Grossman said the Redskins haven't told him what his role is, but that he [I]believes his career will have a strong second half [B]as a starter.[/B][/I][/quote]

[quote=ESPN]
He said the Redskins did not discuss his role with them, but [I]he is looking at this as "a stepping stone to the second half" of his career.[/I][/quote]

the bold part

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[quote=tryfuhl;676038]Slingin Sammy is not amused[/quote]You're damn right I'm not amused, I'm PISSED!!!!!!

What am I pissed about again :confused: (senility setting in)

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;676348]You're damn right I'm not amused, I'm PISSED!!!!!!

What am I pissed about again :confused: (senility setting in)[/quote]

Clausen hadn't entered the talk yet

now that I look back Bradford hadn't either, sorry to single you out!

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[quote=tryfuhl;676344]the bold part[/quote]

Good catch. Here was his actual entire quote:

"Yeah, that's my goal," Grossman said. "I wanna start in this league at some point and get back there and play. Every quarterback that plays in the NFL wants to start, so that's kind of an odd question, I guess. But I definitely think I can and I've got a lot of confidence in myself, and hopefully this is a stepping-stone to the second half of my career."

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[quote=SmootSmack;676390]Good catch. Here was his actual entire quote:

"Yeah, that's my goal," Grossman said. "I wanna start in this league at some point and get back there and play. Every quarterback that plays in the NFL wants to start, so that's kind of an odd question, I guess. But I definitely think I can and I've got a lot of confidence in myself, and hopefully this is a stepping-stone to the second half of my career."[/quote]

Unless Grossman has lost all confidence in himself, why wouldn't he think he has a chance to start? He has accomplished a hell of a lot more than JC.

I think the most important part of the article was that he said the coaches have not made any promises to him.

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if we draft snead i'm burning all my skins gear....

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[quote=tootergray34;676398]if we draft snead i'm burning all my skins gear....[/quote]

Where'd that sudden burst of hatred come from?

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[quote=SmootSmack;676390]Good catch. Here was his actual entire quote:

"Yeah, that's my goal," Grossman said. "I wanna start in this league at some point and get back there and play. Every quarterback that plays in the NFL wants to start, so that's kind of an odd question, I guess. But I definitely think I can and I've got a lot of confidence in myself, and hopefully this is a stepping-stone to the second half of my career."[/quote]

Sounds about right.

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[quote=SmootSmack;676414]Where'd that sudden burst of hatred come from?[/quote]

Maybe he's a Southeastern Louisiana fan

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/gamecenter/recap/NCAAF_20090919_SELOU@MS]Mistakes don't hurt Ole Miss in rout over Southeastern Louisiana - NCAA Football - CBSSports.com[/url]

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[quote=tootergray34;676398]if we draft snead i'm burning all my skins gear....[/quote]

If we draft Tebow high I will not burn anything but I will whine like a little girl.

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[quote=Lotus;676546]If we draft Tebow high I will not burn anything but I will whine like a little girl.[/quote]

People will whine no matter what.

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Honestly, it wouldnt surprise me if Grossman ends up starting. I simply can't see Shanahan starting a rookie and I'm not sure Campbell could beat out Grossman for the starting job. If both were learning a brand new system, he probably could. However, Grossman's got experience in the system and is probably somewhat favored our QB coach and offensive coordinator.

Campbell may very well wind up being our day 1 starter, but i dont think we can assume that he will. I definitely see an open competition, atleast during the early stages of camp. hopefully, we'll have definatively named our starter before the preseason begins.

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I honestly don't see Grossman giving JC a serious run for his money, unless Grossman has seriously cleaned up his decision making. He takes way too many dumb risks.

JC has the better arm, is more accurate, and is also the better athletic fit for the bootlegs and roll-outs Shanahan likes to run.

Should he be given the chance to compete for the starting job? Sure why not? I just doubt he would win out.

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[quote=Mattyk;676613]I honestly don't see Grossman giving JC a serious run for his money, unless Grossman has seriously cleaned up his decision making. He takes way too many dumb risks.

JC has the better arm, is more accurate, and is also the better athletic fit for the bootlegs and roll-outs Shanahan likes to run.

Should he be given the chance to compete for the starting job? Sure why not? I just doubt he would win out.[/quote]

Very possible. At the very least, Grossman's about the most serious competition for a starting job that Campbell's ever had to deal with. I beleive competition makes people better, so hopefully it will help Campbell improve his game (assuming he's still here, that is).

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;676609]Honestly, it wouldnt surprise me if Grossman ends up starting. [B]I simply can't see Shanahan starting a rookie[/B] and I'm not sure Campbell could beat out Grossman for the starting job. If both were learning a brand new system, he probably could. However, Grossman's got experience in the system and is probably somewhat favored our QB coach and offensive coordinator.

Campbell may very well wind up being our day 1 starter, but i dont think we can assume that he will. I definitely see an open competition, atleast during the early stages of camp. hopefully, we'll have definatively named our starter before the preseason begins.[/quote]

Isn't that what he did with Cutler, albeit in midseason?

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[quote=Lotus;676646]Isn't that what he did with Cutler, albeit in midseason?[/quote]

Yes but different situation. He wasn't in his first year in Denver when he did this, I think he was at the Bill Belichick "I'll do whatever the hell I want" stage.

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[quote=Lotus;676646]Isn't that what he did with Cutler, albeit in midseason?[/quote]

More like Plummer basically "earned" his benching. Maybe Plummer ticked off Shanny one too many times, was simply ineffective, or both.

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if we draft Bradford or Clausen, i'll be declaring them a bust if they DON'T surplant Campbell by mid-season.

(Actually, to be entirely honest, if we draft Braford or Clausen, i'll be declaring them a bust the first time they take a sack or throw an interception in training camp. However, the first time i'll truly believe they are a bust, is if they arent starting by mid-season).

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[quote=Mattyk;676613]I honestly don't see Grossman giving JC a serious run for his money, unless Grossman has seriously cleaned up his decision making. He takes way too many dumb risks.

JC has the better arm, is more accurate, and is also the better athletic fit for the bootlegs and roll-outs Shanahan likes to run.

Should he be given the chance to compete for the starting job? Sure why not? I just doubt he would win out.[/quote]

Exactly.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;676661]if we draft Bradford or Clausen, i'll be declaring them a bust if they DON'T surplant Campbell by mid-season.

[B](Actually, to be entirely honest, if we draft Braford or Clausen, i'll be declaring them a bust the first time they take a sack or throw an interception in training camp. However, the first time i'll truly believe they are a bust, is if they arent starting by mid-season).[/B][/quote]

Wow you are a patient man

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;676628]Very possible. At the very least, Grossman's about the most serious competition for a starting job that Campbell's ever had to deal with. I beleive competition makes people better, so hopefully it will help Campbell improve his game (assuming he's still here, that is).[/quote]

There's no way Grossman will seriously compete for the starting job. I'll go a step further, the only way Campbell isn't the starter when the season begins is if he's not on the roster.

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Colt's happy as well

[url=http://blog.redskins.com/2010/03/19/colt-brennan-sees-a-familiar-situation/]Colt Brennan Sees Potential In A Familiar Situation[/url]

With that in mind, Brennan has thrown himself fully into the team's offseason conditioning program, where he hopes to impress the new coaches. And he, in turn, has certainly been impressed by them, not least offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan. "Right now he's coaching every single one of us as if it was an even playing field," Brennan says, "and that's really all you can ask for at this level. It really is exciting for, I think, everybody right now: from Bartel, to me, Grossman, even to J-Campbell, I think we're all excited about the opportunity in front of us."

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;676609]Honestly, it wouldnt surprise me if Grossman ends up starting. I simply can't see Shanahan starting a rookie and I'm not sure Campbell could beat out Grossman for the starting job. If both were learning a brand new system, he probably could. However, Grossman's got experience in the system and is probably somewhat favored our QB coach and offensive coordinator.

Campbell may very well wind up being our day 1 starter, but i dont think we can assume that he will. I definitely see an open competition, atleast during the early stages of camp. hopefully, we'll have definatively named our starter before the preseason begins.[/quote]

I'm all for competition but don't you think if they thought Grossman was going to be the starter they would sign him to a longer contract (1year).

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;676782]I'm all for competition but don't you think if they thought Grossman was going to be the starter they would sign him to a longer contract (1year).[/quote]

You can renew at any time. 1 year means that they don't expect it, but aren't opposed to it. Campbell only has a year left as well if you look at it that way.

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[quote=tryfuhl;676788]You can renew at any time. 1 year means that they don't expect it, but aren't opposed to it. Campbell only has a year left as well if you look at it that way.[/quote]

Very true but in regards to Grossman if they expected him to be #1 you wouldn't hesitate you would just DO IT! he's here to teach & God forbid injuries.

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Okay... this is news to me. Avoid the internet a few days and THIS is what i run into... Okay, I'm a fan of the Shan man. I've always thought he had a great eye for talent and i seriously expect great things in the near future... but Grossman!? Don't get me wrong. I thought Gibbs was crazy with some of his moves and the ones he had the most say in always seemed to pan out so i learned in the past to take the wait and see aproach and not throw my arms up in disgust at every 'odd' decision... but Grossman!?!? The man only played one 'good' season in which even the biggest Rex fan would have to admit he didn't get them there, their DEFENSE did. There were many games where his defense and special teams combined for more yards than his offense, and on Superbowl Sunday, when he needed to show up the most, he was pathetic. Since then, he hasn't been able to reclaim his #1 spot and i seriously don't want him to claim it here! His best year doesn't compare to Jason Campbell's best. He can barely get over 50% of his passes completed. Most of all, he's thrown more interceptions than touchdowns! Now call me old fashioned, but each position, to me, has a category that's more important to the rest when it comes to winning. For a receiver, it's clutch catching and drops. For a runningback, it's YPC and fumbles. For a QB it's TD vs INT. As basic as it gets, every TD is a chance to win and every INT is a chance for the other team to win. Straight up and down and simple. Everything was looking up to me... but this Grossman deal seriously makes me begin to doubt the Shanahans.

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Now as a back-up... i guess he's a giant leap up from Todd Collins... As long as he's not the #1 guy, i'll try to keep the barfing to a minimum... pass the pepto

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I have an irrational man crush on Rex Grossman. Yes, he sucks, but I'm happy we signed him anyway.

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[quote=GTripp0012;676812]I have an irrational man crush on Rex Grossman. Yes, he sucks, but I'm happy we signed him anyway.[/quote]

Why? If he sucks, why are you happy we signed him?

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[quote=Beneil (diehard since 87);677150]Why? If he sucks, why are you happy we signed him?[/quote]


Umm...because he's a back-up maybe?

No seriously, Grossman played in this very offense last season under Kyle Shanahan, our new offensive coordinator. So that's a pretty good reason. And honestly, there are some who feel Grossman got a bum deal in Chicago similar to Jason Campbell here in D.C. Not in the same exact way, but all the pieces haven't been there in Chicago for sometime now. So we'll see, but it was by no means a "horrible" signing. The biggest issue I think people have with it around here is the possibility of Grossman starting. That's a legit gripe.

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Now that we have Rex, we just need to sign the last piece of our Super Bowl roster: Pacman Jones.

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[quote=Lotus;677184]Now that we have Rex, we just need to sign the last piece of our Super Bowl roster: Pacman Jones.[/quote]

Lotus, you took the words out of my mouth.