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[quote=mooby;982220]I'm glad that you've stepped up to take credit. All hail REDSKINS4ever, the almighty foreseer of things to come! May he replace the disgraced Gtripp with dignity and honor.[/quote]I am glad you see the ridiculousness in this thread.

GTRIPP, You aren't a fan of Mike and I actually don't hate u for that. Everyone has their opinion but for anyone to say Tripp is not a true skins fan is ridiculous. The guy has been on here for a while and he's just someone who has to see it to believe it that's fine. How many of us thought we would win 7 in a row? Or how many of us cussed Mike and Kyle and JH after losing to sorry Carolina?? Shit happens. Thank God we are 10-6 @and champions again!

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[quote=GTripp0012;982222]I am glad you see the ridiculousness in this thread.[/quote]

I just wanted to give REDSKINS4ever the credit he deserves for his never-wavering support of Mike Shanahan. He was the single driving force that held together the supporters of the Shanaplan this season. Kudos is in order.

/Serious note

I don't always agree with your opinions but I respect you for being consistent with them. The difference between me and everyone else is sometimes I prefer to hold my tongue. I also do not believe that you don't enjoy seeing this team have success, which is what some other members believe apparently.

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[quote=Mattyk;982121]I heard Del Rio is available

:doh:[/quote]


**** that. We're going hard after Jim Schwartz! He knows how to turn a team around!



:rofl:

For crying out loud enjoy the win everyone. Who really cares what anyone thinks of Shanahan? Were all Skins fans.
For two and a half years the Skins lost alot of games, and by LL's own account even the organization was referring to him as a "very expensive joke" just 7 weeks ago.
Were all thrilled about what has transpired over those seven weeks, if it makes you more thrilled to act like you were all the wiser in the "dark period" than have at it.

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del rio? no thanks. we need us some norv.

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So... the plan was get younger across the board, build an offense that can run the stretch run effectively, find a franchise QB, increase scoring offense, increase takeways on defense.

Seems pretty clear to me.

Mission accomplished!

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Don't do this crap! Every one of us says things in here that sometimes comes true and sometimes does not. We can't take credit for either. Shanahan is doing a great job right now but in all fairness RG3 was not a diamond in the rough, everyone knew he was going to be good and any team would benefit from having him. He would make any coach look good and turn any losing team around.

If that concussion he took earlier in the year was like the one that Mike Vick had taken, GTripp would look like the profit right now and the Skins would be under .500 again most likely.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/47634/shanahans-stunning-redskins-turnaround]Shanahan's stunning Redskins turnaround - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

Love this perspective of how talentless this team was when Shanny took over:

"Back on June 13, Shanahan sat in his office in Ashburn, Va., and pointed to a spot on the wall near his office door. It's a spot that is concealed when the door is open, but with the door closed you can see the names of dozens of players no longer on the team. The names are on the same kinds of labels Shanahan uses to arrange the neatly organized depth chart he keeps on the same wall on the other side of a mahogany bookcase and much closer to his desk. But these names of former Redskins are thrown up there haphazardly, as though he just wanted them gone but didn't have the time to dispose of them properly.

"Just look," he said, pointing to the labels. "We've cut 150 players since I got here and only one of them is starting for another team -- Carlos Rogers in San Francisco. We've got a whole new team." "

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Rich Tandler ‏@Rich_TandlerCSN
Gene Smith fired for Gabbert trade w/Shanny. Heckert fired for getting beaten by Shanny on RG3 trade. Interesting.

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Not gloating but I've said since the offseason began that my evaluation of Shanahan started this year because of the overall job he had to do and the stunted offseasons in 2010 and 2011. So far, he's proven to do exactly what we all wanted once he got his QB and RB in place. The offense is explosive, the defense is productive and the team is the NFC East Champion.

Saw something this morning that of the QB starting yesterday, included in the 5 oldest are Romo and Eli. The future is so freaking bright in DC, we could be in line for a division run similar to what the Colts had during the Manning era.

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[quote=Paintrain;982345]Not gloating but I've said since the offseason began that my evaluation of Shanahan started this year because of the overall job he had to do and the stunted offseasons in 2010 and 2011. So far, he's proven to do exactly what we all wanted once he got his QB and RB in place. [B] The offense is explosive, the defense is productive and the team is the NFC East Champion.
[/B]
Saw something this morning that of the QB starting yesterday, included in the 5 oldest are Romo and Eli. [B]The future is so freaking bright in DC[/B], we could be in line for a division run similar to what the Colts had during the Manning era.[/quote]
It is indeed a lot of fun to think about....if your not the Giants, Cowboys or Eagles...........

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000120843/article/report-redskins-weigh-extension-for-mike-shanahan]Report: Redskins weigh extension for Mike Shanahan - NFL.com[/url]

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Good to be winning! Never stopped believing. I even had a drunk post supporting Mike on here (After the Carolina loss? Forget) ! Haha!

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[quote=GridIron26;982642][url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000120843/article/report-redskins-weigh-extension-for-mike-shanahan]Report: Redskins weigh extension for Mike Shanahan - NFL.com[/url][/quote]

See post 84

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Hmmmmm......I think I would have to seriously consider the performance of the 2.7314159265359 year portion (in his 5 year deal) of his contract in its entirety and not just a.....7 game winning stretch.......

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I have a feeling they may wait to extend Shahanan. He has another 2 seasons remaining on his contract. But if they void those two years and give him another deal then I wouldn't be surprised either.

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Lol SS no need to brag. We all know who's valuable member on here :cool-smil

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[quote=GridIron26;982672]Lol SS no need to brag. We all know who's valuable member on here :cool-smil[/quote]

LOL. Just pointing out that this is something that's being discussed since before the Redskins clinched on Sunday. I think I told the other mods about it maybe a couple of weeks before I posted it here? Think it was around Thanksgiving that I first started hearing some true rumblings about this

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[quote=SmootSmack;982675]LOL. Just pointing out that this is something that's being discussed since before the Redskins clinched on Sunday. I think I told the other mods about it maybe a couple of weeks before I posted it here? Think it was around Thanksgiving that I first started hearing some true rumblings about this[/quote]

They were thinking about it around Thanksgiving? We weren't even at .500 at that point. I find that sort of strange to begin extension talks given Shanny's career win-loss record with the Skins, and the fact that they had no clue of the impending 6 game win streak. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they are doing it, but given the record at Thanksgiving, I would have said, lets see how next year goes...

I guess we wanted him on the cheap?

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Yea I'm with mbedner, it's surprising to know that the FO started considering it at that time. I guess Snyder and FO liked what Shanny have done with the team, he definitely turned it around.

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I would wait to see how next year goes when this team has to play towards high expectations.

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An extension now is a dumb idea. We're on a nice run. See where it goes, and more importantly, see how next year turns out. Nobody is going anywhere regardless. The franchises with open HC spots (if you believe Kyle would really be on a short list) don't have much promise. So he'd presumably go somewhere, lose for two-three years and ultimately be back to coordinating somewhere else. I say if he wants to do that, we don't want him anyway.

At any rate, negotiating anything in the midst of the staff's only good showing, a seven game stretch after two and a half seasons of dismal results, is just stupid business by any franchise. It's the kind of the thing I'd expect from the "old" Snyder.

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We need to fire Mike Shanahan today. He has won nothing. We should bring in Wayne Fontes to replace him.

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This wasn't new thread worthy, but is it time to let Shanny off the hook for the McNabb deal? Consider this since the trade:
Philadelphia has a 22-26 record, no clear answer at QB, has changed front office personnel, fired their coach and is looking at starting over. The picks traded for McNabb (Nate Allen, repeatedly injured and benched & through a series of trades Casey Matthews, DeMeco Ryans & Nick Foles) haven't yielded much fruit for the Eagles. Foles may turn out to be serviceable but he's far from a clear cut NFL starting QB.

From our side we are 21-27 (one game worse), have a clear answer at QB, stability in coaching and front office and turned McNabb into the pick that brought us Alfred Morris.

How does that deal look from a different perspective now?

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I just wanted to mark it for the record, I am not one of the three that voted NO.

HAIL!!!!!!

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QB play is clearly an area we have lacked for a long time. The other part of the McNabb trade was the releasing of JC. I was one who rather would have kept JC, but clearly his play since being released, including his time in Oakland, showed keeping him would have done nothing more than McNabb/Grossman and the upside potential of McNabb and Grossman were better at the time. So, while I don't think Shanahan gets kudos for handling the JC/McNabb situation, ultimately we came out ahead, and I don't think it set the team back any in its development.

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[quote=Paintrain;982834]This wasn't new thread worthy, but is it time to let Shanny off the hook for the McNabb deal? Consider this since the trade:
Philadelphia has a 22-26 record, no clear answer at QB, has changed front office personnel, fired their coach and is looking at starting over. The picks traded for McNabb (Nate Allen, repeatedly injured and benched & through a series of trades Casey Matthews, DeMeco Ryans & Nick Foles) haven't yielded much fruit for the Eagles. Foles may turn out to be serviceable but he's far from a clear cut NFL starting QB.

From our side we are 21-27 (one game worse), have a clear answer at QB, stability in coaching and front office and turned McNabb into the pick that brought us Alfred Morris.

How does that deal look from a different perspective now?[/quote]

Funny how quickly things change eh?

Look at the way things are shaping up in the division. The Eagles are in full rebuild mode, the Cowboys are stumbling and bumbling around as usual, Romo is nearing the end of his contract there, and the Giants lost a lot of their luster this year and showed that you can't just expect to turn it on at the end of every season. Meanwhile the Skins are stocked with young talent are only trending upward.

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Build through the draft, what a concept right?

East Division Champs after the 3rd year? NO question the plan has worked. HTTR

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[quote=Chico23231;982845]Build through the draft, what a concept right?

East Division Champs after the 3rd year? NO question the plan has worked. HTTR[/quote]

And do your homework well when acquiring FAs (Cofield, Carriker, Garcon, Morgan)

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[quote=Chico23231;982845]Build through the draft, what a concept right?

East Division Champs after the 3rd year? NO question the plan has worked. HTTR[/quote]

Should be the first of many with RGIII

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[quote=Ruhskins;982857]And do your homework well when acquiring FAs (Cofield, Carriker, Garcon, Morgan)[/quote]

Yeah, you always gotta spend to add quality, but you have to spend wisely and bring in good players, but good people as well.


Look to the Eagles on what not to do...Reid was crazy and spent oodles for over priced free agents and look where they are now. Glad we dont do that ish anymore.

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[quote=Chico23231;982864]Yeah, you always gotta spend to add quality, but you have to spend wisely and bring in good players, but good people as well.


Look to the Eagles on what not to do...Reid was crazy and spent oodles for over priced free agents and look where they are now. [B]Glad we dont do that ish anymore.[/quote][/B]

Well we still spend a lot on free agents and probably always will.

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[quote=skinsfan69;982895][/B]

Well we still spend a lot on free agents and probably always will.[/quote]

We don't spend as recklessly as we used to in the Vinny days.

Under Allen the contracts have been much more in line with what the market pays.

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[quote=Chico23231;982864]Yeah, you always gotta spend to add quality, but you have to spend wisely and bring in good players, but good people as well.


[B]Look to the Eagles on what not to do...Reid was crazy and spent oodles for over priced free agents and look where they are now. Glad we dont do that ish anymore.[/B][/quote]

I'm still shocked that the Iggles basically took our blueprint for losing under Vinny and followed it step by step. They got a whole bunch of pricey free agents (some past their primes) and let their o-line deteriorate.

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Kinda felt like Reid and the Eagles got desperate the last couple of years. I guess he saw his window to win it all coming to a close so he gambled on some big free agents and lost. His drafts lately were also lacking.

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[quote=Mattyk;982905]Kinda felt like Reid and the Eagles got desperate the last couple of years. I guess he saw his window to win it all coming to a close so he gambled on some big free agents and lost. His drafts lately were also lacking.[/quote]

Started to build his team like Washington Redskins of old by just signing and trading for big free agents instead of building his team through the draft and a few key moves. It is what happens when teams get desperate.

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I think the Eagles are actually in pretty good shape as far as having draft picks and even cap room moving forward, particularly when they move Vick.

I don't think their turnaround time will be too long

I'm curious what Reid's legacy will be. Like if I were an Eagles fan, would I look back on these past 14 years and say "We really had one of the better franchises for nearly a decade and a half" or would I say "Reid stayed too long and for what? No rings. Had we made a change a few years back maybe we'd have at least one ring"

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[quote=SmootSmack;982916]I think the Eagles are actually in pretty good shape as far as having draft picks and even cap room moving forward, particularly when they move Vick.

I don't think their turnaround time will be too long

I'm curious what Reid's legacy will be. Like if I were an Eagles fan, would I look back on these past 14 years and say "We really had one of the better franchises for nearly a decade and a half" or would I say "Reid stayed too long and for what? No rings. Had we made a change a few years back maybe we'd have at least one ring"[/quote]

Knowing Eagles fans they are saying good riddance.

Depending on who their next coach is, I think in time they may look back and have a different view on Reid. Or at least they should... he had a lot of success there. Granted they didn't win it all, but still. Let's see them go through 20 years of mediocrity like we have post Gibbs 1.0 and see how they feel.

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[quote=SmootSmack;982916]I think the Eagles are actually in pretty good shape as far as having draft picks and even cap room moving forward, particularly when they move Vick.

I don't think their turnaround time will be too long

I'm curious what Reid's legacy will be. Like if I were an Eagles fan, would I look back on these past 14 years and say "We really had one of the better franchises for nearly a decade and a half" or would I say "Reid stayed too long and for what? No rings. Had we made a change a few years back maybe we'd have at least one ring"[/quote]

Safe to say this is a critical time for the Eagles? They do have some nice offensive talent, decent in terms of picks and cap room but they've got nothing of note to build around on defense, their OL is ok but aging at key places. The right coach can come in and turn around quickly or the wrong guy can crater them into a full rebuild.

I've got lots of family who are Eagles fans who have been calling for the end of Reid for at least 5 years. Those type of fans are in the second line of your thought but I think in a couple of years they will yearn for the consistency of winning 9-12 games per season of most of the Reid era.